Danny Elfman conducted music score for tim burtons batman 1989 movie.prince did soundtrack for that movie.

Danny Elfman is rock musician from oingo boingo band but still he deliverd masterpiece score for batman 1.

classic musicians couldnt belive it was done by a rock musician
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on the other hand prince's soundtrack is totaly derrivative and nothing special .
would prince be able to do music score the way danny did like orchestral piece?
old friends for sale is orcestrated but who did the arangmant?

thebanishedone said:

everybody has different strengths and abilities

cheers!
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i don't think prince has ever claimed to be classically trained to the extent that he would consider himself a composer of orchestral film scores. i might be wrong on this.

but denny elfman is not classicly trained also he is a rock musician

thebanishedone said:

who's to say classically trained musicians can't go into rock? isn't annie lennox classically trained?

no,danny elfman has no formal music education.
he worked only by instinct.

Danny Elfman is not a classically trained musician period.
but he has done some of the best movie scoring of this generation, eclipsing his rock roots.

yes he out grown his rock roots

well, i guess that's why he makes the big bucks then.

i'm sure he's doing ok

Quincy Jones picks his teeth with little Danny Elfmans, yet they are both supremely talented and accomplished in the same fields.

This Prince kid can hold his own. Plus, I'd much prefer to see him perform their music than either of them perform his.

thebanishedone said:

Can danny Elfmann produce, compose, arrange and perform all instruments at the level Prince does on SOTT or TRC, just two give you examples ? uh ? Can he perform music live as well as Prince does ?

Moreover music is not a competition of skills. It is about giving emotions. There are guitar players who play on 6 chords but show a great deal of emotions and other who are absolute monsters technically who put people to sleep in a few seconds.

Danny Elfman can write a score and orchastrate choirs but it also seem to get a bit repetative like Tim Burton Films
like 2 C Prince Have A go at a score. The sound tracks where his music have been used have worked really well, but the thing with ART is you can't just Turn It On at the beek and call of a director. U have 2 feel 4 D project.
Prince would work well with David Croneberg where he can let out his dark feelings in a controlled and humourous enviroment,followed of course with a Pixar.

Anxiety said:

And "Pat Benetar," is a great example of her ability with vocals from Opera through Jazz into Rock.

jfrost said:

david cronenberg? humorous?

hmmmm
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I am not sure about it, but someone told me, or I read somewhere (dont remember), that Danny Elfman only creates the themes(very good, by the way), and the arranging/conduction stuff are made by his assistants. He is not a true maestro like Ennio Morricone. If I am wrong, somebody please correct me.

Elfman and the elf man... hmm

Danny Elfman is talented cat. To go from writing new wave pop punk songs in Oingo Boingo to writing orchestrated soundtracks takes musical know-how and skill. Also the films to his soundtracks have been pretty successful.

P has already experimented with orchestration. His collabs with Claire Fisher were pretty cool. And as jfrost said, you have to have a feel for doing such a project.

Stanley Clarke (jazz bassist) is a perfect example. He watches the films and at the same time, he'll compose his ideas for scenes. If P wanted to go that route he probably could, but that's up to him. He would have to make the time.

when accused that he copuld arange batman score by himself denny said that
its stupid acussations of music elitist and that he worked 12 hours a day for a month to make batman .

it's not a question wheater prince is amazing or not,but could prince arange that kind of stuff.
and can he make it be so good.

i mean i beat prince can make great arangmant for jazz or dixilend music but can he make a orchestral piece like denny elfman batman theme.
don't forget denny did the simpsons theme also.

thebanishedone said:

Someone doesn't understand the difference between doing a film score and soundtrack song composition.

Well for me this thread was never about P being "amazing or not"..I'm sure P could orchestrate some cool ideas for a film but I'll be honest. He would probably need some assistance.

If P was willing to put his ego aside, and work with someone in the caliber of Cronenburg, Micheal Kamen, John Williams (and I'm using them as examples) he would probably do well.

I'm sure soundtracks take a lot of time, attention, and dedication. P would need to take sometime off from the books, Laker games, and clubbin' to focus on it. (and I'm not bustin' on him). I'm sure he could do it.

thebanishedone said:

First off, Tim Burton didn't bring Prince on board to do a film SCORE. They wanted both him and Michael Jackson to write songs for the movie.

Secondly, Danny Elfman had by that point done film scoring before. So it wasn't like he was some green rock musician trying for the first time to put together a score for a movie. Prince to my knowledge has never done a score thats been released.

thebanishedone said:

Why are you comparing someone who's now made a living out of doing film scores to someone who's made a living writing pop songs? When was the last pop hit Danny Elfman wrote? Oh thats right, he hasn't. So comparing him to P is kinda silly.

yeah but batman was denny's masterpiece.tim didn't call prince to do a score because he knew prince couldn't strecth that much.
and please be honest prince didn't do batman justice.
that album is there with new power soul,no melodies no songs, nothing.
and i love prince as much as all u do love him but im just honest.

thebanishedone said:

Ummm... not quite. Tim Burton picked Danny Elfman for Batman because Tim Burton ALWAYS sticks with people he likes. Elfman had already done scoring for Beetlejuice and Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. They brought P on board because Tim Burton wanted star pop music, and of course Danny Elfman isn't a star pop musician. Again, I'm not sure why you'd want to compare these two.
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thebanishedone said:

I like the Batman soundtrack better than Lovesexy, I love "The Future" "Electric Chair" the long video version of "Party Man" and i do like "Batdance" quite a bit, i like that guitar solo before the funky part.

We are of coarse comparing apples to oranges with Danny & Prince, the are both awesome though
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no no
we can't compare prince and denny,but i just had a thought
if denny who like prince lacks formal music education can make that amazing score for batman ,do you think prince could do music score to a movie could he be up to that kind of chalenge.

prince never did a conceret of his where he would fuse his sound with classical orchestra.
i heard bob beldens orchestral version of prince 's songs and it sounds great.

if we take diamonds and perls song for instance,prince could rearange it to sound like classical piece.
i mean prince tried something with kamasutra album but could he do it to sound realy "big" ,serious?

songs like :question of u,venus de milo,diamonds and pearls,strays of

the world,3 chains of gold ,purple rain ,raspberry berret,1999... could be adapted for film scores and sound fantastic if aranged properly.

prince don't have to create new songs ,he could remade his old ideas.
imagine a movie with prince's music score.

thebanishedone said:

Prince was asked in an interview not too long ago what he was thinking of doing next, and one of the things he mentioned was a classical or orchestral composition (I can't remember his exact words because it was several months ago). So, maybe after this upcoming (rock) album we'll see exactly what you're suggesting.