What do you think of Prince the musician?
genius

What do you think of Prince the man?
interesting, handsome, dynamic, prolific, hardworking,
daring, risk-taker, leader, charismatic, lover, human

What do you think of Prince's management of his own career?
A bold step that he does not regret

What do you think of the NPGMC?
still a toddler...trying to walk, stumbling...
but I think it will grow into a healthy child in time

Haystack said:[quote]Without judging what other people say, please give an opinion on each of the following;

What do you think of Prince the musician?

What do you think of Prince the man?

What do you think of Prince's management of his own career?

What do you think of the NPGMC?

I think Prince is the BEST musician
I think Prince is a Loving Man
I think Prince might have managed his career a little better
and
i think the NPGMC is a noble effort to bring us All together!

Haystack said:

1. Absulute genius, no1 eye have seen in my musical knowledge comes close.

2.Prince the man is just like every1 else, except he may come accross very weird or unusual, but thats cause he is a star and every star is weird and unusual 2 every1 cause they live different lives 2 us. Ive never met him but eye know that he would be a very nice guy.

3.Eye think prince is a music machine that will never get turned off until its use by date if u know what eye mean. This is why he is very hard 2 handle and take on cause he just doesnt stop, and thats why hes not with WB anymore, but these days, even he cant handle himself, he wants 2 release so much music every year, but he doesnt seem 2 have the resources 2 do it.

4. Eye love being an NPGMC member, but eye absulutely cant stand it when they or him (whoever is writing the info on the website) tell u about Princes plans, future projects or tours or hint at something really exciting.
Example being when they talked about a 7 cd set of Xenophobia. what the hell was that?
and this so called world tour which is just about 2 finish and so called benefits that we r supposed 2 recieve from the club, but he hasnt come 2 Australia yet or New Zealand which im sure the decision not 2 come down boiled down 2 money.
Im sure u Americans, Europeans and Japanese have got well ure moneys worth, but we here down under dont, all eye have got from the club so far is 1 piano jam cd and 4 $200 Australian that is ridiculous. If he had come down here of course eye would not complain, but he hasnt lived up 2 the promises that he created in the club in the 1st place.

Thats what eye hate most about the club, we r gonna do this, we r goona do that, this is going 2 happen, u will get ure new 4 cds, yeah right whatever. just keep promising things but dont deliver, playing with our minds and fuck us around, thats all they do.

Overall im very honoured 2 be a Prince fan and alot of the times eye am happy, but right now eye know what eye have missed out on and it really hurts not 2 have experienced what all u others did.

Peace

1. The Best

2. I don't know him

3. Hit and Miss

4. The Club's OK but changes are Very necessary if Prince
intends on continuing the club which I think he will.

And my thoughts...

The Music:

What can anybody say? It's the reason why we all post here and amazingly, after nearly 30 years, he's still making good music. Even Rave Un2 (which I feel to be his weakest album) is still a CD that I play more than most of my other CDs by other artists.

The Man:

Can't say for sure because I've never met him. However, from what I have heard, I imagine him to be someone who wishes that he could please everybody all the time, but accepts that this isn't possible. Without actually living in his shoes for a day, none of us can possibly understand why he does some of the things he does that we feel he could do better or differently. He must be a damn fine person, though.

His management of his own career:

Someone who follows their own heart, regardless of whether he gets criticised, laughed at or scolded by some of his own fans, is a very brave person and it's to his credit that he doesn't follow the same, bland rules that the others follow.
From a selfish point of view, I think his post Warner's career has been a little disappointing. When he first announced his desire to leave Warner's I was so excited about the possibility of him being able to release an album whenever he wanted to. That he could give music away for free, even.
Unfortunately, so far he seems to release music at something like the same rate he released it during the Warner years. He's got a captive market in the NPGMC, but doesn't take full advantage of it. Which leads me to...

The NPGMC:

What a shame! It should be the best thing that's ever happened to Prince and the fans and fortunately, for a number of fans, it is.
However, a lot of fans ARE disappointed, myself included.
It's more to do with the 'wasted opportunity' element of the enterprise - as I mentioned above, he's got a captive market which consists of people constantly desperate to hear new music. Last year they got their wish, but with the content being given through downloads, a lot of people couldn't cope with them, only having slow modem connections. This year there was the promise of 4 CDs. Now, it's being debated to death, but to me, 4 CDs means 4 seperate albums - rightly or wrongly. Yes, to date the NPGMC has kept it's 'promise', but not lived up to the expectation. My personal feeling at the beginning of Year 2 was to expect the best year for Prince music to date. Imagining a year during which 4 albums would be released at regular intervals.
I won't bother going on as we can all read about it in the NPGMC forum, but my feeling is still that 1996 was the best year for Prince releases; Girl 6, Chaos & Disorder and Emancipation - the latter advertising Crystal Ball within it's CD booklet. Regardless of opinions of musical quality, considering that all three of those releases were through major record labels, it makes you wonder if using record companies is such a bad idea... But that's only 'not such a bad idea' to us. Prince seems to be happy with the way things are going and I like to think that, if he IS aware of how some members are reacting to Year 2, that he'll be desperately trying to think of a way of making things better. Let's hope so.
[This message was edited Sat Nov 30 2:47:52 PST 2002 by Haystack]

Excellent musician. Creative; innovative. Trend setter.

Don't know him personally.

Management: seems somewhat hypocritical when I take into account where he came from, what he has done and been willing to do in the music industry to get where he is, the contracts HE signed, and all the brouhaha surrounding him now. I understand what the industry does to artists. I have nothing against wanting to own your own music, the freedom and independence to put out what you want, etc. but if he'd have stood by all these "righteous" "preachy" "lofty" business principles 20-25 years ago he would have remained an unknown-the talented leader of a bar band or one man show.

Not a member. I just wait for the music to come out on CD, like I did TRC.

Haystack said:

He's a freezer burn compared to cool!



Despite all the negative reports, in his personal life,I believe he is a man who is quite giving



Despite the successes or blunders..he did it his way...not many can say that. (If anyone can sing My Way, with all his successes and failutres in love and life etc he is now one of them..no joke)

It provides a form of entrertainment..like a rollercoaster ride..fun, scary, some thrills, sometimes dissappointing..but it's like a ride...and despite the b.s. its always a fun ride. Hell, it's a Prince music club. How can you not?

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[This message was edited Sun Dec 1 11:21:46 PST 2002 by rdhull]

Without judging what other people say, please give an opinion on each of the following;

What do you think of Prince the musician?
Oh wow. As a musician, he's like looking into my lover's eyes. Sometime's there's joy, sorrow, passion, anger, warmth, coldness, just chilling, mad concentration, playful, and argumentive: yet, no matter the situation, there is always love. Prince is like that.

What do you think of Prince the man?
Arrogant. Though I say this without knowing him personally.

What do you think of Prince's management of his own career?
Average

What do you think of the NPGMC?
There is so much potetnial to be the rebirth of THE DAWN.com but, he manages it by emotions. He throws a tantruam when we don't blindly follow and ignores us if we constructively critize. He neglects to remember that the "fams" add to his source of income. I belief a lot of grief could be resolved if he communicated (with out holographic language) and simply said I can/can not, will/wont be doing this or that. And, though I have thick skin, I do not appreciate his ignorance. (I.e you don't compare one culture as being better than another.) I know I can't always get what I want, but I enjoyed the club more when we had the downloads. I enjoyed the essays about the Pharoh. I liked being part of a community working towards or sharing a common goal. Where is it now? The NPGMC has become a shameless ego massager.

Without judging what other people say, please give an opinion on each of the following;

What do you think of Prince the musician?
Oh wow. As a musician, he's like looking into my lover's eyes. Some time’s there's joy, sorrow, passion, anger, warmth, coldness, just chilling, mad concentration, playful, and argument: yet, no matter the situation, there is always love. Prince is like that.

What do you think of Prince the man?
Arrogant. Though I say this without knowing him personally.

What do you think of Prince's management of his own career?
Average

What do you think of the NPGMC?
There is so much potential to be the rebirth of THE DAWN.com but, he manages it by emotions. He throws a tantrum when we don't blindly follow and ignores us if we constructively criticize. He neglects to remember that the "fams" add to his source of income. I belief a lot of grief could be resolved if he communicated (with out holographic language) and simply said I can/can not, will/wont be doing this or that. And, though I have thick skin, I do not appreciate his ignorance. (I.e you don't compare one culture as being better than another.) I know I can't always get what I want, but I enjoyed the club more when we had the downloads. I enjoyed the essays about the Pharaoh. I liked being part of a community working towards or sharing a common goal. Where is it now? The NPGMC has become a shameless ego massager.

What do you think of Prince the musician?

a real ARTIST, talented in everything, able to achive (not only) musically quite everything, unbelivable creative

What do you think of Prince the man?

I think he is a genius (a kind of superman:)). it means he don´t try something - he just do it. it means he perceives on a higher level as a normal one do, what enables him to pass mental limits of the most of us. it also means he is excentric, interesting and misunderstood. it means...so much more:) He is his music - listen to it and you see "Prince the man" (TRC)

What do you think of Prince's management of his own career?
Prince holds it in his own hand. he concentrate on developing his music. he don´t care of system. he knows, he could evertime knock nearly everyone out from the charts if he wanted it - so he´s cool. he has friendship with God, so what matter anything?

What do you think of the NPGMC?
his way to own his art. his way to give opportiunity to his real friends to support him. his way to give his art/himself to fams. his way to be independent from the system.

What do you think of Prince the musician?
Very versatile, graceful, insightful, romantic.

What do you think of Prince the man?
Jealous, possesive, and has grown immensely spiritual in the last 3 years..

What do you think of Prince's management of his own career?
I don't know, he seems to be doing what he wants at this time in his life. Some people find it easier to be their own boss.

What do you think of the NPGMC?
I don't know, I like the concert perks, but he isn't gonna come to Denver every year that I join...so to be honest I have no expectations of the club.

What do you think of Prince the musician? he's amongst the last of a dying breed, 4 sure...

What do you think of Prince the man? i'd be here all day if i were 2 tell ya what i think of 'im.

What do you think of Prince's management of his own career? he could be doin much betta...

What do you think of the NPGMC? two words: needs overhaul.


yep. double-time.
[This message was edited (and pooted on) Mon Dec 2 15:48:55 PST 2002 by PlastikLuvAffair]
[This message was edited Mon Dec 2 15:49:38 PST 2002 by PlastikLuvAffair]

Haystack said:

Prince the musician is amazing. his song writing ability is phenominal. best there is! Prince, the man is complex. thats why he is so talented. he's compassionate, mystifying, deep, moody, sensitive, caring, humourous, passionate, generous... most of all he's just a man. Princes management of his own career is still not fully developed, but it's HIS baby, and it's coming along. it' his dream. he's getting better at it all the time. Princes NPGMC is HIS BABY. i dont have any complaints, and all i know is i am proud to b a member. they've improved immensely. 2003 will probobly b even better. everyone learns by mistakes. /

The musician

Used to be one of the best.

The man

The more I learn about him, the more I dislike him. He is the kind of guy i would usually avoid.

As a manager

Shameless

NPGMC

From what I have heard, see above.

the musician=he's the artist

the man= he's living the 100% off his live just 4 he's music .and nothing is stopping him or holding him down.
4 that he got my 100% respect.
and just 4 this eye 4give all the goofy habbits off him.

the way he is managing he's career.=
sometimes strange and bizarre but like eye said above.
he's just doing he's thing .
don't u never think about the failers of the last year has something 2 do .with the music biss boycot his music because they are so afraid that other artist will open there eye's .
he did one mistake -changing his name
we did understand it .but the outside world didn't get it.

the npgmc= its not all perfect and there is still alot off work 2b donne.but its going in2 the right direction.

they must b carefull with promises .

Prince's musical talent is definitely a gift from God. Sure practice makes perfect but his talent and skill goes beyond that!
I can identify with Prince the man at times. He's cautious and guarded and overall not very communicative or expressive outside of music which leads 2 the misconceptions of him.
It's a shame that Prince can't find any1 that he deems trustwothy enough and more or less on the same page as him 2 manage his work so that he can focus more on or have more time 4 the music itself. It's cool that he wants 2 be that involved in his career but it's a lot of work and can be stressful 2 do both.
I haven't joined the club so I can't really say. But from what I heard or should I say read, the club needs 2 be more organized.

These are my honest, untainted opinions. I chose not to read anybody else's views before putting down my own.

What do you think of Prince the musician?
I think he's the best ever! Nobody can do what he does... no one else moves me the way he does... and I don't care what anybody says!

What do you think of Prince the man?
Prince just strikes me as being a cool, down to earth Brotha!! I love that in him! I love his wit, I love his humor, I love his "funky face" when he lands on a series of fiery notes during a funky guitar solo! I love his cool, mellow demeanor and of course, I love that cool azz walk of his! I love it when I come to Paisley Park and I acknowledge him with an upwards head nod and a smile, and he acknowledges me the same way right back! He has always been cordial to me... others may say differently. I know of many instances in the past where certain things he's done may have twisted folk's opinion of him. Yeah, he did had a dark side back in the day! But I never had any encounters with him during that time. When I finally got the chance to meet Prince, he was just that - A Prince... and also very charming and courteous, I might add.

What do you think of Prince's management of his own career?
Who am I to judge how one man decides to chart the course of HIS journey? Whatever management decisions Prince has made over the years as far as his career goes, if there were mistakes made, I'm sure he knows what he's done wrong. As a young musician trying to break into the business, I'm sure if he knew then what he knows now about signing away your masters, he would've never done that. You learn, you grow and you move on. Until anyone has walked in his shoes, until anyone else has sat behind a drum kit and pounded a funky beat, picked up a bass and slapped the shit out of it, sat behind a keyboard and made it purr, picked up an axe and made it pierce the souls of everyone in the room - sometimes while making the keys purr at the same time ... I find it hard for anyone to see fit to put themselves in position to comment on how this man opts to manage his life's work, his journey his experience, his gift.

What do you think of the NPGMC?
I am thoroughly enjoying being a member of the NPGMC. I have had nothing but positive experiences and I look forward to the future as the club continues to grow and improve. A lot of discontentment seems to exist among a lot of Prince fans/fams regarding the club. People upset with what they get, what they don't get, when they get it, how long it takes to get it, how much stuff costs... it seems to go on and on 'til the break of dawn! I am finding that Prince fans are some of the most neediest, pushiest, opinionated, high maintenance, gimme-gimme, insatiable, "I want it and I want it now" group of folks I've ever had the pleasure, and sometimes displeasure of encountering! It's almost a no-win situation with Prince and a lot of his fans. The brotha just can't win!! These "hardcore Prince loyalists"... they criticize and critique everything the man does! And no matter what he tries to do, there's always a critic waiting in the wings to rag on whatever it is that he's done... like the brotha OWES US ANYTHING!! NPGMC is not A-U-T-O Matic! Prince didn't have to start the club! It's not in the Bill of Rights that NPGMC has to exist! Dude did this as a way to reach out to his closest followers and give us access to certain things that we otherwise would not have access to. It's still a baby - the club's only 2 years old (its Terrible 2s, some would probably say)! I'm happy that Prince opened up this avenue to us! I'd like to see more fans just relax and give the guy a break! Give the club a chance to develop more before writing it off, comparing it to what other artists are doing and posting on the ORG that you're done with Prince and the NPGMC. I personally don't care how other artists run their fan clubs... and I happen to also be a member of AeroForce One - Aerosmith's fan group! They are two different beasts - not to be compared with one another!

y'all!!

prince: the musician can stand toe to toe with any of the greatest of anytime in music history and give them a run for their money. what other artist today can we say that about?

the man: lost me when he started complaining about people doing covers and losing the original artist's vision of what the song should be. (HELLO!) but then he goes and does some pretty horrible things like cover Bonnie Raitt.

management: it's his life. his vision. his story. that's why we love him. sometimes we sound like the parent wishing our kid would be a doctor instead of a plumber by the way we complain about his career choices. i personally think that he had no choice but to free himself from Warners. how could we expect him to be in the right state of mind when always on his mind he's going to be thinking..."but i don't own this...they do". he had to free himself for more reasons than we can discuss in one day.

the club: some things are better in theory then in practice

1. Excellent. Thank God he's so imaginative, so positive and so exciting.

2. Ditto. The music is part of him, so if you love his music you love him. Theres something in it that "connects" with me and probably all those who like it.

3. His individualism and breaking the mould is cool, he should have been allowed to release the music as he wanted, but of course due to business economics he couldn't.However, now he has the chance I feel he isnt using it enough. Using CDs for an internet club seems old fashioned. Its much safer to do downloads as in 2001 as its cheaper than sending cds for him and the fans get what they want when. He should make an effort to become popular though as this is all hitting us in the pocket. Also with his talent he should make a comeback for societies sake.
He isnt a businessman i dont think in the way he behaves with releases etc, which is cool as he's be boring if he was like that. I like his creative nature, but get one to plan stuff so that you keep the fams happy 2.

4. It should be scrapped for being too misleading and replaced with a similar version to in 2001, but i think it should be like a smorgasboard with a choice of the vault to download. Imagine that! (Maybe pay per download). The cost of the club plus concerts is a worrying trend. Prince seems to make a mockery of his "Music should be free" statement. His spiritual message is being lost, sure he needs to make money, but i think he should still try to get a record deal and make a comeback and become in the mainstream again, with his Jazz maybe. His talents shouldnt be hidden to a select few. I think a record deal plus the club at a slightly cheaper price (downloads saving on postage costs). The fams that havent joined yet such as myself would do if some of this was addressed! The money from that would make up for the reduction in price.

1. I think Prince is an incredibly gifted and underrated musician. Sometimes his antics (see below) take away from his musicianship and songwriting, but he is our era's musical genius. Any musician will agree that his skills are undeniable.

2. Prince the man, in my opinion, can be arrogant, self-centered and downright annoying at times. He can also be wise, encouraging, funny, moving, etc. All that just means he's human...just because we choose to give him our money and support does not mean he's perfect.

3.Prince's personal management has been disasterous, commercially speaking. His publicity stunts worked in the 80's but he took a long time to leave that decade. He never let the public in, even if he just showed them something they wanted to see. His actions are one of a true artist...he just does what he wants. After all, once you've made millions you can have artistic freedom. And that would make him, in the end, a truly successful artist.

4. I've got no real gripes with the music club. I've never done the fan club thing with anybody else so i can't compare it. I do know that i have accumulated much more Prince music since it started! And the seats...!

RedZRyder said:

yes yes yes

What do you think of Prince the musician?
Absolute genius. He is Diverse. He is experimental. He knows his shit. I think the quanity of his ideas dilute his quality of output.

What do you think of Prince the man?
He is an enigma.

What do you think of Prince's management of his own career?
It could use a little help but the idea is great!

What do you think of the NPGMC?
same answer as above.