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Reply #150 posted 12/31/08 10:30pm

JayJai

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daPrettyman said:

jdcxc said:



I will always buy the next Prince record and I can always find certain tracks that are cool. What I miss is the strange, wierd, complicated and alternative worldview he used to express. He was never above exploring his frailities, contradictions and personal disappointments and euphoric highs. It's as if he is medicated on some bland drug that has dimmed his adventurous music side.

I think the fight with the record industry and his alliance with an outsider cult religion has fueled his natural contrarian bent while at the same time sapped his use of music as an outlet for his personal growth. Just my theory.


I, personally, believe that when he started seeking out religion, got married to Mayte, left WB, etc. his views changed. It's like he grew up and became a different person. Not saying that's bad, but I think a lot of it has to do with his maturity level. When you are young, you tend to have a different view than an older person.


nod Can't expect someone to stay 30 forever. Mentally and emotionally your views change as u get older. People need to get that reality into their heads.
I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh
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Reply #151 posted 12/31/08 10:49pm

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JayJai said:

daPrettyman said:



I, personally, believe that when he started seeking out religion, got married to Mayte, left WB, etc. his views changed. It's like he grew up and became a different person. Not saying that's bad, but I think a lot of it has to do with his maturity level. When you are young, you tend to have a different view than an older person.


nod Can't expect someone to stay 30 forever. Mentally and emotionally your views change as u get older. People need to get that reality into their heads.

Amen to that. It's just proof that old habits die hard.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #152 posted 01/01/09 11:16am

SynthiaRose

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Your post is SO on point ! I like the anger in it and the fact that you dislike exactly the same things that I dislike about 21 Nights or his other current output ( and lyrics ) .
What really made me like Prince in the first place were songs I could relate to, deeply personal lyrics that were still easy to relate to, bad ass experimental stuff like When Doves Cry or If I Was Your Girlfriend or Beautiful Ones. These days, it seems that he´d rather be overcryptic or "deep" without really knowing too much about the things he sings about( if he did, he´d know that the Jews did NOT choose their "beautiful sounding" names but were given those names in order to discriminate them but I don´t want to talk about TRC here). I used to admire the courage and boldness of Prince in his heyday,how he would inspire his younger listeners to stand up and dare to be different, to be openminded towards other races or sexual orientations.
Much like Hip Hop and its original ideas in the early days, Prince seems to have changed into the opposite of what he once used to stand for.


By the way, I really LOVE your blog. Always a nice read.
lol


The bolded is so true. And the underlined is pitiful.

You know, people want to say Prince matured and grew up, hence his music shift. I always hate that people view counter-convention, challenges to tradition, and idealism as stuff for naive young rebels who don't have a clue and must grow out of all that once they grow up.

Look at what he's embraced. It's like he's a 'bot. Is this really evolution? C'mon. Stop trying to tell me that trash..

What happens is people get older, that get scared and they take the easy route by going along with something established and trying to make amends for their perceived sins before they die. It happens all the time.


Am I tamer now? Yes. But my core principles remain essentially in tact. My ideas have evolved but I haven't reneged on myself. Growth is on a continuum, we must find a way to blend of former selves naturally into our new selves. Because whereever we are, our past delivered us. There is value in that. That past is valuable and lifting you even now.

There is a way for one to praise their past renegade sexuality for forming a bridge to divinity -- without rejecting it completely and defaulting on the values that once anchored your greatest art. So disappointed.

I doubt he was a true counter-culturalist in the first place. Probably just a fucking poseur!


Anyway, thanks for the kind words regarding my blog. smile
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Reply #153 posted 01/01/09 11:33am

SynthiaRose

As for people in here having the audacity to malign the Revolution --
trying to discount their influence by saying Prince did most of the writing, etc.

it doesn't matter what the credits say -- you can't technically credit vibe.

And having the Revolution creating an aura around him, a milieu in which he vibed with them -- like they were sharing blood and breath together --- you can't measure that by writing and composing credits.


That is the only band that has been like a kindred tribe for him. Artists need this. ARe you guys artists? if so, you know it's not about the technical stuff. There's a lot of mystical and spiritual exchange ...because inspiration is based on a magical realm.

His successive bands have had great instrumentalists but kindreds? No. And he has suffered. When you are an eccentrist you need a palette to bounce your new age ideas off of. You don't just need master musicians.


I'm a writer. And wow... the vibes I get after a night of heady conversation with a kindred is unreal. And when I lack that, a vacuum is created.

We are witnessing the vacuum for Prince. And I'm sad that personally and artistically he's not finding another tribe.

Because i know that to be without kindreds, as a person with an artistic soul, is extremely traumatic and debilitating.

I can only hope that he's not repelling potential soul mates with his narrow views and snotty condescension.
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Reply #154 posted 01/01/09 1:03pm

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JayJai said:

daPrettyman said:



I, personally, believe that when he started seeking out religion, got married to Mayte, left WB, etc. his views changed. It's like he grew up and became a different person. Not saying that's bad, but I think a lot of it has to do with his maturity level. When you are young, you tend to have a different view than an older person.


nod Can't expect someone to stay 30 forever. Mentally and emotionally your views change as u get older. People need to get that reality into their heads.


can u please say that again i don't think some people get the jist of that big grin
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #155 posted 01/01/09 1:42pm

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Nobody is saying he didn’t get older for crying out loud, people are saying his music has not been as good, and his mentality now seems more immature than at 30
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Reply #156 posted 01/01/09 2:05pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Nobody is saying he didn’t get older for crying out loud, people are saying his music has not been as good, and his mentality now seems more immature than at 30


okay that's fair enough, but what about those that want him 2 stay at the age of 30 and constantly bitch and moan that he hasn't? hmmm
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #157 posted 01/01/09 2:44pm

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Whatever the circumstances, however that music came to be, I think it’s undeniable that that music from that era is something special. Whether it was because of the musical climate of that time, the technology, members of the revolution, or his youth, whatever the case may be, Prince in that era produced a such vast amount of now classic original rock, funk & pop music that he will probably never rival again.
Like the Beatles, the Stones & Led Zeppelin before him, the bulk of it came about in a burst of creativity that lasted less than a decade.
That’s not to say he isn’t still great. To this day, I don’t think any of his contemporaries or young up and coming bands will deny that Prince is one of the greatest living live performers today.
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Reply #158 posted 01/01/09 2:52pm

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Marrk said:

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i remember when i was pre-pubescent, and my favourite artists having hits really mattered to me. it was a loooong time ago.

it's precisely because he makes real music, that he doesn't have hits.


And there we have it. Prince is perfectly capable of writing a "hit", but why would he want to? Listen to what's making it big these days on radio and video. Most of it is unabashed crap. A brain-damaged monkey wouldn't have a problem churning out such works of art as Womanizer and Superman.

I realize that in saying this, I'm showing off my old-fogeyness. But I'm not some old fart yearning for bygone glory days -I'm 23. My ears just happen to work, is all. confused
"A Watcher scoffs at gravity!"
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Reply #159 posted 01/01/09 5:43pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Whatever the circumstances, however that music came to be, I think it’s undeniable that that music from that era is something special. Whether it was because of the musical climate of that time, the technology, members of the revolution, or his youth, whatever the case may be, Prince in that era produced a such vast amount of now classic original rock, funk & pop music that he will probably never rival again.
Like the Beatles, the Stones & Led Zeppelin before him, the bulk of it came about in a burst of creativity that lasted less than a decade.
That’s not to say he isn’t still great. To this day, I don’t think any of his contemporaries or young up and coming bands will deny that Prince is one of the greatest living live performers today.



things r special 2 others just like the things u mentioned above. 4 me personally the gold experience era was very special only because of the mentioning of 500 songs in the vault, those xpereinces i wanted 2 get in2 instead of the same things i had already known 4 10 years previously. and i'm still longing 2 get in2 that vault and hear those tunes and experierence them live
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #160 posted 01/02/09 5:45am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

L4OATheOriginal said:



add another 2 the list of the dillusional revolution fanatics ..rolleyes


Hmmm. I think Graycap & L4 don't fully appreciate how truly great all those earlier songs were. If those earlier songs like When Doves Cry were released today they would be just as big with today’s audiences and critics as they were then. Likewise if he released his 90’s- present music in the 80’s they would fall flat just like do now.
People keep going to concerts to listen to them over and over again because they are that good.
To lump his current work into the "masterpiece” category along with his incredible 80’s output is really doing those songs a great disservice.

It’ not about living in the past, its appreciating the best music regardless of when it was created.
I know you guys really do love his 90’s work, .. but that music is not, and will never be regarded as his best by anyone other than some fanatics on fan sites like this.

W&L had NOTHING 2 do with When Doves Cry. NOTHING.
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Reply #161 posted 01/02/09 6:15am

berarma

In reply to the first post, I think Prince sums it all up very well here:

Everybody wants 2 sell what's already been sold
Everybody wants 2 tell what's already been told
What's the use of money if U ain't gonna break the mold?
Even at the center of fire there is cold
All that glitters ain't gold


That's the problem.
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Reply #162 posted 01/02/09 7:11am

JayJai

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L4OATheOriginal said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Nobody is saying he didn’t get older for crying out loud, people are saying his music has not been as good, and his mentality now seems more immature than at 30


okay that's fair enough, but what about those that want him 2 stay at the age of 30 and constantly bitch and moan that he hasn't? hmmm


They'll bitch and moan the rest of their lives cause Prince dun gone way past 30 already giggle
tsk tsk tsk...so sad, sad enuff to laugh at actually rolleyes
I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh
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Reply #163 posted 01/02/09 7:49am

Dave1992

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SynthiaRose said:

Why are so many in this thread interpreting "hit" as meaning at the top of the charts?

I think of a "hit" as a song that is exceptionally crafted in music and lyrics, that is unique, possibly trend-setting, and infectious. We want those kind of hits. They may or may not land at #1.

I mean Beyonce's Singles Ladies is at the top of the chart. I'm pretty sure the original poster doesn't want a "hit" like that.

So for eveyrone who's saying oh, prince just doesn't care about charts and the public. That's not the point. Where the fucking great and fresh music?

Great music generally pulls its own public reception; he wouldn't have to chase charts. And no more bashing of Purple Rain which is fucking perfect and shouldn't be discounted because it was popular.

Anyway I'm listening to 21 nights right now and it sounds like a fucking Vegas show. The horns. The big band. The 70s "funk" sound. The sound of a urban church choir singer belting out in the background. Spare me. Damn.



Your post is SO on point ! I like the anger in it and the fact that you dislike exactly the same things that I dislike about 21 Nights or his other current output ( and lyrics ) .
What really made me like Prince in the first place were songs I could relate to, deeply personal lyrics that were still easy to relate to, bad ass experimental stuff like When Doves Cry or If I Was Your Girlfriend or Beautiful Ones. These days, it seems that he´d rather be overcryptic or "deep" without really knowing too much about the things he sings about( if he did, he´d know that the Jews did NOT choose their "beautiful sounding" names but were given those names in order to discriminate them but I don´t want to talk about TRC here). I used to admire the courage and boldness of Prince in his heyday,how he would inspire his younger listeners to stand up and dare to be different, to be openminded towards other races or sexual orientations.
Much like Hip Hop and its original ideas in the early days, Prince seems to have changed into the opposite of what he once used to stand for.


By the way, I really LOVE your blog. Always a nice read.
lol



I don't have to agree with all that you say, but at least I do understand it and that's what it's all about. Opinions are opinions, but one can't grow without understanding others.

I have to add something to the bold part though: Young listeners, or "new fans, automatically listen to the old stuff too, even if the "new" stuff got them hooked first. But I don't think his music ever made me more open-minded towards other races and sexual orientations, I think it just made me more open-minded towards myself. You get to see/hear/feel what a human being is capable of doing and that will always stay exciting to fans, no matter what age. I don't support a certain group of people all the time (f.e. "pro-gay marriagers" - "anti-gay-marriagers", ...), but I support freedom of opinion and creativity, which Prince's art reflects, now and back in the day.

I support Prince for using this freedom. - The freedom of choice (about religion, art, clothes, persona, opinion overall).
It doesn't have to reflect my opinion or way of living.

A good example would be his body hair (lol): I shave most parts of my body (except legs and arms of course), because I simply think it looks and feels better and I prefer shaved women too, but still I like and kinda look up to Prince and his body hair, because it was his choice to keep it and show it like he did (and sometimes still does).

falloff That sounds cool!

But, seriously, do you know what I mean?
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Reply #164 posted 01/02/09 9:42am

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berarma said:

In reply to the first post, I think Prince sums it all up very well here:

Everybody wants 2 sell what's already been sold
Everybody wants 2 tell what's already been told
What's the use of money if U ain't gonna break the mold?
Even at the center of fire there is cold
All that glitters ain't gold


That's the problem.

what mold is prince breaking by sounding like a 70's tribute band?
IM bringing sexy back!
Simply Marvelous!
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Reply #165 posted 01/02/09 9:50am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:



Hmmm. I think Graycap & L4 don't fully appreciate how truly great all those earlier songs were. If those earlier songs like When Doves Cry were released today they would be just as big with today’s audiences and critics as they were then. Likewise if he released his 90’s- present music in the 80’s they would fall flat just like do now.
People keep going to concerts to listen to them over and over again because they are that good.
To lump his current work into the "masterpiece” category along with his incredible 80’s output is really doing those songs a great disservice.

It’ not about living in the past, its appreciating the best music regardless of when it was created.
I know you guys really do love his 90’s work, .. but that music is not, and will never be regarded as his best by anyone other than some fanatics on fan sites like this.

W&L had NOTHING 2 do with When Doves Cry. NOTHING.

I knew I couldn't have been the only one who knew that. highfive
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #166 posted 01/02/09 9:55am

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Dave1992 said:

KoolEaze said:




Your post is SO on point ! I like the anger in it and the fact that you dislike exactly the same things that I dislike about 21 Nights or his other current output ( and lyrics ) .
What really made me like Prince in the first place were songs I could relate to, deeply personal lyrics that were still easy to relate to, bad ass experimental stuff like When Doves Cry or If I Was Your Girlfriend or Beautiful Ones. These days, it seems that he´d rather be overcryptic or "deep" without really knowing too much about the things he sings about( if he did, he´d know that the Jews did NOT choose their "beautiful sounding" names but were given those names in order to discriminate them but I don´t want to talk about TRC here). I used to admire the courage and boldness of Prince in his heyday,how he would inspire his younger listeners to stand up and dare to be different, to be openminded towards other races or sexual orientations.
Much like Hip Hop and its original ideas in the early days, Prince seems to have changed into the opposite of what he once used to stand for.


By the way, I really LOVE your blog. Always a nice read.
lol



I don't have to agree with all that you say, but at least I do understand it and that's what it's all about. Opinions are opinions, but one can't grow without understanding others.

I have to add something to the bold part though: Young listeners, or "new fans, automatically listen to the old stuff too, even if the "new" stuff got them hooked first. But I don't think his music ever made me more open-minded towards other races and sexual orientations, I think it just made me more open-minded towards myself. You get to see/hear/feel what a human being is capable of doing and that will always stay exciting to fans, no matter what age. I don't support a certain group of people all the time (f.e. "pro-gay marriagers" - "anti-gay-marriagers", ...), but I support freedom of opinion and creativity, which Prince's art reflects, now and back in the day.

I support Prince for using this freedom. - The freedom of choice (about religion, art, clothes, persona, opinion overall).
It doesn't have to reflect my opinion or way of living.

A good example would be his body hair (lol): I shave most parts of my body (except legs and arms of course), because I simply think it looks and feels better and I prefer shaved women too, but still I like and kinda look up to Prince and his body hair, because it was his choice to keep it and show it like he did (and sometimes still does).

falloff That sounds cool!

But, seriously, do you know what I mean?

I get what you're saying. I never looked for Prince's music to show me how to live my life and I never looked at Prince as someone to relate to. I just loved how individual his style and music was and to see someone like him do what he does and be successful with it always impressed me and made me dig him. He's still the same type of person doing his own thing whether people approve of it or not but he doing it in a different way. The music is a part of that too. You dig it or you don't. That won't change.
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I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #167 posted 01/02/09 9:56am

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mplsmike said:

Donjuandeblacko said:

Why can't Prince right REAL music and HITS like he use to?

You might be write


yeah right... lol lol
Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
James Brown & Michael Jackson RIP, your music still lives with us!
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Reply #168 posted 01/02/09 9:58am

Dave1992

purplecam said:

Dave1992 said:




I don't have to agree with all that you say, but at least I do understand it and that's what it's all about. Opinions are opinions, but one can't grow without understanding others.

I have to add something to the bold part though: Young listeners, or "new fans, automatically listen to the old stuff too, even if the "new" stuff got them hooked first. But I don't think his music ever made me more open-minded towards other races and sexual orientations, I think it just made me more open-minded towards myself. You get to see/hear/feel what a human being is capable of doing and that will always stay exciting to fans, no matter what age. I don't support a certain group of people all the time (f.e. "pro-gay marriagers" - "anti-gay-marriagers", ...), but I support freedom of opinion and creativity, which Prince's art reflects, now and back in the day.

I support Prince for using this freedom. - The freedom of choice (about religion, art, clothes, persona, opinion overall).
It doesn't have to reflect my opinion or way of living.

A good example would be his body hair (lol): I shave most parts of my body (except legs and arms of course), because I simply think it looks and feels better and I prefer shaved women too, but still I like and kinda look up to Prince and his body hair, because it was his choice to keep it and show it like he did (and sometimes still does).

falloff That sounds cool!

But, seriously, do you know what I mean?

I do and I get what you're saying. I never looked for Prince's music to show me how to live my life and I never looked at Prince as someone to relate to. I just loved how individual his style and music was and to see someone like him do what he does and be successful with it. That always impressed me and made me dig him. He's still the same type of person doing his own thing whether people approve of it or not but he doing it in a different way. The music is a part of that too. You dig it or you don't. That won't change.


How could you take the meaningful part of all the crap I said and put it into 4 fucking lines?
confuse pout

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Reply #169 posted 01/02/09 10:01am

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Dave1992 said:

purplecam said:


I do and I get what you're saying. I never looked for Prince's music to show me how to live my life and I never looked at Prince as someone to relate to. I just loved how individual his style and music was and to see someone like him do what he does and be successful with it. That always impressed me and made me dig him. He's still the same type of person doing his own thing whether people approve of it or not but he doing it in a different way. The music is a part of that too. You dig it or you don't. That won't change.


How could you take the meaningful part of all the crap I said and put it into 4 fucking lines?
confuse pout

lol

Oh no! falloff
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #170 posted 01/03/09 5:37am

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LondonStyle said:

mplsmike said:


You might be write


yeah right... lol lol

You mean..."yeah write!". nod
surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
I ain't felt this way in years...
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Reply #171 posted 01/04/09 7:26pm

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KidaDynamite said:

LondonStyle said:



yeah right... lol lol

You mean..."yeah write!". nod

No you are rong.. write? lol
Love Life,
Love God,
And Only Do Drugs You Need
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Reply #172 posted 01/04/09 8:37pm

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mplsmike said:

KidaDynamite said:


You mean..."yeah write!". nod

No you are rong.. write? lol

razz giggle
surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
I ain't felt this way in years...
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Reply #173 posted 01/04/09 11:30pm

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Hmmmmm intresting well I cant really answer ur question but I will tell ya a story....

A few years ago my mum brought me Musicology as she was a huge fan of P's back in the day (80's) To be honest I scoffed at her present, Infact I believe I said something like "why the hell r you buying me the album of a weirdo" It lay there on my shelf 4 quite a few weeks. (Bear in mind before this I just listened 2 Hip-Hop,Dance and Pop) So anyway one day I was bored and thought I'd give it a twirl. I listened 2 the title track and was quite suprised that I liked it. I but the cd on repeat and listened 2 it a few times. Stamping my "Purple Hippie" status. I dont know why I liked it so much cuz at the time it wasnt really my thing lol (thank god she didnt buy me The Rainbow Children) But plz bear in mind that I never really bothered listening 2 Funk/Soul Etc before hand, I now own all his studio albums..... So inspite of all the ova-critical shit on here. P's obviously doing somethin right pray God Bless Him wink
Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants salvation of the soul
The steps U take are no easy road
But the reward is great
4 those who want 2 go
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Reply #174 posted 01/05/09 6:57am

Graycap23

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Hmmmmm intresting well I cant really answer ur question but I will tell ya a story....

A few years ago my mum brought me Musicology as she was a huge fan of P's back in the day (80's) To be honest I scoffed at her present, Infact I believe I said something like "why the hell r you buying me the album of a weirdo" It lay there on my shelf 4 quite a few weeks. (Bear in mind before this I just listened 2 Hip-Hop,Dance and Pop) So anyway one day I was bored and thought I'd give it a twirl. I listened 2 the title track and was quite suprised that I liked it. I but the cd on repeat and listened 2 it a few times. Stamping my "Purple Hippie" status. I dont know why I liked it so much cuz at the time it wasnt really my thing lol (thank god she didnt buy me The Rainbow Children) But plz bear in mind that I never really bothered listening 2 Funk/Soul Etc before hand, I now own all his studio albums..... So inspite of all the ova-critical shit on here. P's obviously doing somethin right pray God Bless Him wink

cool 4 those that KNOW.
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Reply #175 posted 01/06/09 5:08am

berarma

Donjuandeblacko said:

berarma said:

In reply to the first post, I think Prince sums it all up very well here:
Everybody wants 2 sell what's already been sold
Everybody wants 2 tell what's already been told
What's the use of money if U ain't gonna break the mold?
Even at the center of fire there is cold
All that glitters ain't gold

That's the problem.

what mold is prince breaking by sounding like a 70's tribute band?


See there are some words in bold, everybody is Prince too. He's singing to himself.
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Reply #176 posted 01/06/09 5:39am

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wall

i remember when i was pre-pubescent, and my favourite artists having hits really mattered to me. it was a loooong time ago.

it's precisely because he makes real music, that he doesn't have hits.


that's not right. What's real music? He uses synths and stuff as well. And don't say he's the only one who puts his soul into his music.
The eason why he doesn't have hits is a) he wrote his best songs in the 1980s, b) he fucked up his career c) he's 50 and rarely a 50 year old is in the charts d) I'm not sure if he wants to have hits. Does he really care??
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Reply #177 posted 01/06/09 6:16am

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Yes his old fans are now in their 30's & 40's and most have other things to spend their money on like their kids and their kids concert tickets to see the Jonas Bros. or Miley, and a lot of them outgrew such things.
That being said, if he released another really great album that generated a lot of buzz, i could see most of his old fans going to pick one up, plus all the kids who would be new to him.
I think its still possible for him to have another big selling album, but like everything else its based on the product, and nothing he has released in the past 20 years has been close to being that product.
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Reply #178 posted 01/06/09 6:17am

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purplecam said:

It would be nothing short of amazing to see Prince have a song at number 1 on the charts but where radio is today, I care about that less and less, since I hardly listen the radio. With all of that said, I wonder, why do so many want Prince to have a hit song today? Why do so many fans think that his current music couldn't be a hit? Most of what's out there isn't memorable and it's going to the top of the charts, why should or shouldn't Prince be a part of that? I'm still trying to find all of this out for myself.



I think possibly age may be a factor for the fans wanting hits - not his theirs, i guess young fans are still impressed by 'hits' and follow what the masses follow. i think its a journey of musical appreciation to like something intensely that the majority disregard.

How anyone can not appreciate musicology is beyond me. its a brilliant album. 'if i was the man in ur life' - STUPENDOUS pushing the bouderies in so many ways.

also as people get older they all shout 'i loved prince' what they mean is they remember purple rain and that makes them feel good, i say this because i do believe that since the 50s 'pop' culture has been spun and controlled for the masses, like prince is now singing about in 'colonized mind' people are on a treadmill cause its safer for the man to keep them that way, no real choice.
think matrix.

think of real life

think back to the matrix..


think of pop music be it r&b, hip hop etc etc that is spun on the web of radio and tv, limited choice limited artists, limited choice ....


and then think prince .... welcome to the dawn. the dawn of your mind opening babe!
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Reply #179 posted 01/06/09 6:35am

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SynthiaRose said:

As for people in here having the audacity to malign the Revolution --
trying to discount their influence by saying Prince did most of the writing, etc.

it doesn't matter what the credits say -- you can't technically credit vibe.

And having the Revolution creating an aura around him, a milieu in which he vibed with them -- like they were sharing blood and breath together --- you can't measure that by writing and composing credits.


That is the only band that has been like a kindred tribe for him. Artists need this. ARe you guys artists? if so, you know it's not about the technical stuff. There's a lot of mystical and spiritual exchange ...because inspiration is based on a magical realm.

His successive bands have had great instrumentalists but kindreds? No. And he has suffered. When you are an eccentrist you need a palette to bounce your new age ideas off of. You don't just need master musicians.


I'm a writer. And wow... the vibes I get after a night of heady conversation with a kindred is unreal. And when I lack that, a vacuum is created.

We are witnessing the vacuum for Prince. And I'm sad that personally and artistically he's not finding another tribe.

Because i know that to be without kindreds, as a person with an artistic soul, is extremely traumatic and debilitating.

I can only hope that he's not repelling potential soul mates with his narrow views and snotty condescension.
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i agree entirely with you!

in light of the lisa coleman interview too, its obvious i think that both wendy and lisa and her brother had huge input into what we say is pure 'prince' as you say artists need to jam together, we all need inspiration and this is even employed in business with 'brain storming sessions' to create.

I think you are right in that he doesnt seem to have found a common soul, he has held up the various talented people who are singers and muscians but none seem to fit him entirely like lisa and wendy. He said wendy was his best guitarist ever and has used her recently as she and he can follow each other so closely its like they are thinking the same, which i guess they are


this is a segment from wikipedia about wendy and lisa:
Some believe that Wendy and Lisa’s influence on Prince’s music was substantial and drove some of the most creative music in his career. For example, regarding Lisa, Per Nilsen has stated that “The increasing complexity of Prince’s music over the years, can to some extent, be traced to Lisa’s influence” [82]. In addition, Alex Hahn has stated that the “duo’s departure from Prince’s fold took away an element that would ultimately prove irreplaceable” [144]. More specifically, Hahn contributes Coleman’s greatest impact on Prince’s music to “her expressive playing, which added an entirely new dimension to his live sound” [35]. Although not everyone may agree on the magnitude of Wendy and Lisa on Prince’s music, one can not deny their influence on the Around the World in a Day, Parade, and Sign O’ The Times albums.


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note that lisa said in the interview that her brother actually wrote around the world in a day but was never credited
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