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ishtar2012

An awakening of sorts (Reflections on the new 4 songs)

This is one of my first posts here at the Org. I'm a long-time visitor,
but until now I had been happy just reading people's posts as I think I have nothing special to contribute. I still think this post is nothing new around here, as I'm sure a lot of people have expressed similar things in the past.

Yesterday I listened to Prince's new songs on the radio. On fourth listen, they came accross to me as bland, unchallenging songs. My mental notes: Listenable, fluffy stuff with standard 70's licks and flair. No hooks at all. The better song was the cover. The lyrics dealt for the umpteenth time with record deals, the music industry, and the most bone-headed, jockish and elitist comments
about religion. 'Regular Prince', I thought. Turned it off, went off to work.

Sometime during the day the question arose in my mind: when did that music become 'Regular Prince'? and more importantly, why have I been considering that stuff passable when I would have dismissed any other act with such attributes in no time? Maybe I thought Prince had enough credit in my mind to enter a losing streak of albums, you know, it had happened before and he had always recovered.

Anyway, those new songs made me reflect on what made me feel attracted to Prince's music in the first place. It wasn't hard for me to do: it was the incredible alien-ness of it all. The strange arrangements. Dorothy Parker, the weird, tense ballad that seemed to go nowhere. The otherwordly funk jam that was able to blow your mind with little, and that little was pure genius ('Erotic City'). The thoughtful and unexpected turns that were sometimes minimalistic, as in the 'Girl' b-side, sometimes lush as in the 'Mountains' single. Strange songs, but they made sense in the end, they only asked you to readjust your view. Then you discovered not a note was wasted. He lived in the golden middle: creativity to the max, and catchy too!. Music filled with artistic decisions that took balls and intelligence altogether.

Strangely enough, I don't really remember when it was that the guy's music started to fade to grey. But it sure has been a long long time, that's for sure. Like 10 years of non-stop mediocrity. Most fans from the golden period are gone, so the hardcore remain, and the hardcore have patience and unlimited faith in his dimished talents.In fact, I think such a long period of time has set the bar so low for us that every little thing is seen like a triumph. Look! a guitar solo!; Behold! An eighties power ballad! Hey, don't miss his latest funk workout in which he sounds like a million other James Brown tribute bands across the globe! And what's with this 'old school' vibe he is
trying to put accross? Why is he trying to be a 70's reactionary? Wasn't he the guy that made people forget the 70's in the first place? He was an original musician if there ever was one, always into the next big thing, with everyone running behind trying to figure out the next move, and now he seems content to work the nostalgia circuits, to be another washed up act dreaming about old times, complaining endlessly about record contracts and the staleness of
today's music, when in fact the only thing he is giving us is retro revival all over again. Philly soul again. Semi-Hendrix again. But, interestingly enough, no 'Prince the quirky genius' again. He has willingly singled out himself as irrelevant. And that's what he does now: irrelevant, velvet-coated music on autopilot for us old fans expecting the great comeback album that never comes.

I have mentioned his lyrics earlier in the post. To me Prince's lyrics were always instrumental on creating his highly idiosincratic persona. I remember them as being weird as fuck, not necessarily intellectual per se, but twisted and misterious enough to shake your mind out of the lethargy of common pop music. Even when he wasn't into weird excursions a la 'If I was your girlfriend' or 'Joy in Repetition', or just into hard party mode you got the sense of a unique personality. And most importantly, it was all about being free, everybody could go uptown and blah blah blah. It was music in technicolor to me. As I jump from those days of discovery to today's latest album advance, the exasperating, ugly attributes of this new batch of lyrics shine through...
with a vengeance. And it's been that way for years. It's not that his lyrics have become morose, or sad in the singer-songwriter way. It's just that they are the manifestation of a creative mind sinking into the deepest. The result of a transmutation from the weirdest, most open minded artist in the mainstream, to a crude, standard bible freak with a list of enemies, slogans
and contempt for everything and everyone but his own creed. I bet it's been an unlikely metamorphosis to most old-time fans... to say the least. One of the most tragic turns of events in the music world, in my view.

Just from the top of my mind: here comes a list of things Prince endorses now: homophobia, elitism, race wars, stone-age gender roles, thelogical idiocracy. Primitive, dismal shit... and what the fuck is he saying now? is he saying people shouldn't vote until the world is ruled by high priests and zealots using the bible as some kind of constitution? Seems that 'Paisley Park', that colorful, imaginary land he envisioned in that song from 'Around the World...' now would be placed in the Middle Ages, or maybe the Taliban state of Afghanistan resembles better his idea of heaven, as their basic core of principles and beliefs lately resemble his. I, for one, am wondering what
was I thinking when that shit-storm exploded in my ears year after year and was given a free pass.

Prince has lost all interest to me. Those four songs just opened my eyes finally. I am quite sure that the miserable nosedive his music has taken is beyond repair as the man who creates it is radically different to the one who got the 'credit' in my mind. I'm sure some of you will award this post with the standard 'then what are you doing here if you hate the guy?' kind of answer. You don't have to tell me that. I have just realized I don't like this new guy Prince at all. I will always cherish his great albums, but, like in that Modern Lovers song, "bye bye old world, gotta help the new world".
[Edited 12/20/08 9:16am]
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Reply #1 posted 12/20/08 10:14am

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ishtar2012 said:

This is one of my first posts here at the Org. I'm a long-time visitor,
but until now I had been happy just reading people's posts as I think I have nothing special to contribute. I still think this post is nothing new around here, as I'm sure a lot of people have expressed similar things in the past.

Yesterday I listened to Prince's new songs on the radio. On fourth listen, they came accross to me as bland, unchallenging songs. My mental notes: Listenable, fluffy stuff with standard 70's licks and flair. No hooks at all. The better song was the cover. The lyrics dealt for the umpteenth time with record deals, the music industry, and the most bone-headed, jockish and elitist comments
about religion. 'Regular Prince', I thought. Turned it off, went off to work.

Sometime during the day the question arose in my mind: when did that music become 'Regular Prince'? and more importantly, why have I been considering that stuff passable when I would have dismissed any other act with such attributes in no time? Maybe I thought Prince had enough credit in my mind to enter a losing streak of albums, you know, it had happened before and he had always recovered.

Anyway, those new songs made me reflect on what made me feel attracted to Prince's music in the first place. It wasn't hard for me to do: it was the incredible alien-ness of it all. The strange arrangements. Dorothy Parker, the weird, tense ballad that seemed to go nowhere. The otherwordly funk jam that was able to blow your mind with little, and that little was pure genius ('Erotic City'). The thoughtful and unexpected turns that were sometimes minimalistic, as in the 'Girl' b-side, sometimes lush as in the 'Mountains' single. Strange songs, but they made sense in the end, they only asked you to readjust your view. Then you discovered not a note was wasted. He lived in the golden middle: creativity to the max, and catchy too!. Music filled with artistic decisions that took balls and intelligence altogether.

Strangely enough, I don't really remember when it was that the guy's music started to fade to grey. But it sure has been a long long time, that's for sure. Like 10 years of non-stop mediocrity. Most fans from the golden period are gone, so the hardcore remain, and the hardcore have patience and unlimited faith in his dimished talents.In fact, I think such a long period of time has set the bar so low for us that every little thing is seen like a triumph. Look! a guitar solo!; Behold! An eighties power ballad! Hey, don't miss his latest funk workout in which he sounds like a million other James Brown tribute bands across the globe! And what's with this 'old school' vibe he is
trying to put accross? Why is he trying to be a 70's reactionary? Wasn't he the guy that made people forget the 70's in the first place? He was an original musician if there ever was one, always into the next big thing, with everyone running behind trying to figure out the next move, and now he seems content to work the nostalgia circuits, to be another washed up act dreaming about old times, complaining endlessly about record contracts and the staleness of
today's music, when in fact the only thing he is giving us is retro revival all over again. Philly soul again. Semi-Hendrix again. But, interestingly enough, no 'Prince the quirky genius' again. He has willingly singled out himself as irrelevant. And that's what he does now: irrelevant, velvet-coated music on autopilot for us old fans expecting the great comeback album that never comes.

I have mentioned his lyrics earlier in the post. To me Prince's lyrics were always instrumental on creating his highly idiosincratic persona. I remember them as being weird as fuck, not necessarily intellectual per se, but twisted and misterious enough to shake your mind out of the lethargy of common pop music. Even when he wasn't into weird excursions a la 'If I was your girlfriend' or 'Joy in Repetition', or just into hard party mode you got the sense of a unique personality. And most importantly, it was all about being free, everybody could go uptown and blah blah blah. It was music in technicolor to me. As I jump from those days of discovery to today's latest album advance, the exasperating, ugly attributes of this new batch of lyrics shine through...
with a vengeance. And it's been that way for years. It's not that his lyrics have become morose, or sad in the singer-songwriter way. It's just that they are the manifestation of a creative mind sinking into the deepest. The result of a transmutation from the weirdest, most open minded artist in the mainstream, to a crude, standard bible freak with a list of enemies, slogans
and contempt for everything and everyone but his own creed. I bet it's been an unlikely metamorphosis to most old-time fans... to say the least. One of the most tragic turns of events in the music world, in my view.

Just from the top of my mind: here comes a list of things Prince endorses now: homophobia, elitism, race wars, stone-age gender roles, thelogical idiocracy. Primitive, dismal shit... and what the fuck is he saying now? is he saying people shouldn't vote until the world is ruled by high priests and zealots using the bible as some kind of constitution? Seems that 'Paisley Park', that colorful, imaginary land he envisioned in that song from 'Around the World...' now would be placed in the Middle Ages, or maybe the Taliban state of Afghanistan resembles better his idea of heaven, as their basic core of principles and beliefs lately resemble his. I, for one, am wondering what
was I thinking when that shit-storm exploded in my ears year after year and was given a free pass.

Prince has lost all interest to me. Those four songs just opened my eyes finally. I am quite sure that the miserable nosedive his music has taken is beyond repair as the man who creates it is radically different to the one who got the 'credit' in my mind. I'm sure some of you will award this post with the standard 'then what are you doing here if you hate the guy?' kind of answer. You don't have to tell me that. I have just realized I don't like this new guy Prince at all. I will always cherish his great albums, but, like in that Modern Lovers song, "bye bye old world, gotta help the new world".
[Edited 12/20/08 9:16am]


this is what happens when u put your heros on unrelestic pesdestals. Prince is simply a very talented man living his life making music. If the music no longer appeals to u that's too bad but its not the tragetdy u make it out to be. There is only so much mind-blowing music in any human being. to expect Prince to mind-blowingly fresh to u after hearing 100s and 100s of songs from him is silly. Find a new hobby
[Edited 12/20/08 10:18am]
[Edited 12/20/08 10:20am]
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Reply #2 posted 12/20/08 10:32am

zucris

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Prince is simply a very talented man living his life making music. nod
Forever in my life...
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Reply #3 posted 12/20/08 10:35am

realm

It reminds me though of something Bowie said, I will try to paraphrase. He always put his work out on display. Sometimes people loved it, sometimes it failed. You have to take a risk and sometimes even be looked at by others as the fool. It's tough to say what the reaction will be. Some of the best songs ever released were thought to be the weaker songs on an album. Sometimes its the person with a crooked nose or crossed eyes that you will remember and not the beautiful ones. Sometimes flaws(awkward/unique sounds) in music make songs special.

I'm greatful that Prince is at least still putting the songs out there for me to like or dislike. With the wide array of music and fans P has usually not everyone will love everything (some do) but some are mixed as to what types of styles they like. I do welcome some experimental sounds from Prince. I thought the new songs were unlike the last three releases and it's good to get something different. Not a 3121 part 3!
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Reply #4 posted 12/20/08 11:01am

FunkyBrotha

this thread just sounds like the ramblings of a so called music lover who thinks that through some wizardry an artist should hit them with brilliance every single minute of their career.. no artist has ever managed that unfortunately because art is human!

its also strange that the writer feels that he has ' just realised ' how bland Prince is, strange considering that 'Colonized Mind' is a very thought provoking track and im sorry but if you play Sign of the Times next to Colonized Mind i still here the same guy.

Crimson and Clover is also, not bland, its been covered by many artists (even Dolly Parton) so you cannot suggest that suddenly Prince sucks.

Soooo... what has taken you so long to come to this conclusion, did you hear genius in New Power Soul, was it technical mastery on Musicology, did Emancipation blow you out the water...

I have a feeling your just old and bitter and unwilling to listen to a 50 year old man be himself for a change. I sure hope Im not having the same thoughts at 50 as I am just now at 25, but their may be some hope at the end of the tunnel for you, maybe he will release another youthful track .. Lolita part 2 perhaps.
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Reply #5 posted 12/20/08 11:43am

funksterr

ishtar2012 said:

This is one of my first posts here at the Org. I'm a long-time visitor,
but until now I had been happy just reading people's posts as I think I have nothing special to contribute. I still think this post is nothing new around here, as I'm sure a lot of people have expressed similar things in the past.

Yesterday I listened to Prince's new songs on the radio. On fourth listen, they came accross to me as bland, unchallenging songs. My mental notes: Listenable, fluffy stuff with standard 70's licks and flair. No hooks at all. The better song was the cover. The lyrics dealt for the umpteenth time with record deals, the music industry, and the most bone-headed, jockish and elitist comments
about religion. 'Regular Prince', I thought. Turned it off, went off to work.

Sometime during the day the question arose in my mind: when did that music become 'Regular Prince'? and more importantly, why have I been considering that stuff passable when I would have dismissed any other act with such attributes in no time? Maybe I thought Prince had enough credit in my mind to enter a losing streak of albums, you know, it had happened before and he had always recovered.

Anyway, those new songs made me reflect on what made me feel attracted to Prince's music in the first place. It wasn't hard for me to do: it was the incredible alien-ness of it all. The strange arrangements. Dorothy Parker, the weird, tense ballad that seemed to go nowhere. The otherwordly funk jam that was able to blow your mind with little, and that little was pure genius ('Erotic City'). The thoughtful and unexpected turns that were sometimes minimalistic, as in the 'Girl' b-side, sometimes lush as in the 'Mountains' single. Strange songs, but they made sense in the end, they only asked you to readjust your view. Then you discovered not a note was wasted. He lived in the golden middle: creativity to the max, and catchy too!. Music filled with artistic decisions that took balls and intelligence altogether.

Strangely enough, I don't really remember when it was that the guy's music started to fade to grey. But it sure has been a long long time, that's for sure. Like 10 years of non-stop mediocrity. Most fans from the golden period are gone, so the hardcore remain, and the hardcore have patience and unlimited faith in his dimished talents.In fact, I think such a long period of time has set the bar so low for us that every little thing is seen like a triumph. Look! a guitar solo!; Behold! An eighties power ballad! Hey, don't miss his latest funk workout in which he sounds like a million other James Brown tribute bands across the globe! And what's with this 'old school' vibe he is
trying to put accross? Why is he trying to be a 70's reactionary? Wasn't he the guy that made people forget the 70's in the first place? He was an original musician if there ever was one, always into the next big thing, with everyone running behind trying to figure out the next move, and now he seems content to work the nostalgia circuits, to be another washed up act dreaming about old times, complaining endlessly about record contracts and the staleness of
today's music, when in fact the only thing he is giving us is retro revival all over again. Philly soul again. Semi-Hendrix again. But, interestingly enough, no 'Prince the quirky genius' again. He has willingly singled out himself as irrelevant. And that's what he does now: irrelevant, velvet-coated music on autopilot for us old fans expecting the great comeback album that never comes.

I have mentioned his lyrics earlier in the post. To me Prince's lyrics were always instrumental on creating his highly idiosincratic persona. I remember them as being weird as fuck, not necessarily intellectual per se, but twisted and misterious enough to shake your mind out of the lethargy of common pop music. Even when he wasn't into weird excursions a la 'If I was your girlfriend' or 'Joy in Repetition', or just into hard party mode you got the sense of a unique personality. And most importantly, it was all about being free, everybody could go uptown and blah blah blah. It was music in technicolor to me. As I jump from those days of discovery to today's latest album advance, the exasperating, ugly attributes of this new batch of lyrics shine through...
with a vengeance. And it's been that way for years. It's not that his lyrics have become morose, or sad in the singer-songwriter way. It's just that they are the manifestation of a creative mind sinking into the deepest. The result of a transmutation from the weirdest, most open minded artist in the mainstream, to a crude, standard bible freak with a list of enemies, slogans
and contempt for everything and everyone but his own creed. I bet it's been an unlikely metamorphosis to most old-time fans... to say the least. One of the most tragic turns of events in the music world, in my view.

Just from the top of my mind: here comes a list of things Prince endorses now: homophobia, elitism, race wars, stone-age gender roles, thelogical idiocracy. Primitive, dismal shit... and what the fuck is he saying now? is he saying people shouldn't vote until the world is ruled by high priests and zealots using the bible as some kind of constitution? Seems that 'Paisley Park', that colorful, imaginary land he envisioned in that song from 'Around the World...' now would be placed in the Middle Ages, or maybe the Taliban state of Afghanistan resembles better his idea of heaven, as their basic core of principles and beliefs lately resemble his. I, for one, am wondering what
was I thinking when that shit-storm exploded in my ears year after year and was given a free pass.

Prince has lost all interest to me. Those four songs just opened my eyes finally. I am quite sure that the miserable nosedive his music has taken is beyond repair as the man who creates it is radically different to the one who got the 'credit' in my mind. I'm sure some of you will award this post with the standard 'then what are you doing here if you hate the guy?' kind of answer. You don't have to tell me that. I have just realized I don't like this new guy Prince at all. I will always cherish his great albums, but, like in that Modern Lovers song, "bye bye old world, gotta help the new world".
[Edited 12/20/08 9:16am]



The vibe that attracted you to Prince, has been all but stamped out since he bacame a JW. His lyrics are pretty intense and negative these days, or just plain stupid. If it's any consolation the new songs show flashes of the Prince we used to know, and the JW stuff doesn't get as offensive as it did in the past. I hope he's on the road back. But I think he's just pandering to us with a couple of the 'new' songs.
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Reply #7 posted 12/20/08 4:31pm

Tame

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I Love Prince's music...Prince's voice is so beautiful 2 me, however, I don't know how anyone can really enjoy hearing a song coming through a computer alone...

I look 4ward to having the cd, and Playing it through good speakers at a decent volume.
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #8 posted 12/20/08 5:09pm

mzkqueen03

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..it is all a matter of choice...

...would u rather be the ugliest of the fairest....
or..the fairest of the ugliest...

....mzsexybaby sexy
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #9 posted 12/20/08 5:35pm

emesem

I feel ya dog...We all know it had to end. We can only hope for one or two nostalgic nuggets like "Reflection" or "Resolution" to bring back some memories from teen summers back.
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Reply #10 posted 12/20/08 5:39pm

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If the five songs he put out is not to your particular liking... accept it and move on. I am sure there is other music out there that entices your palate.
Prince as an artist and musician is going to do what he wants no matter what anyone says. If he appeals to 50% of his audience I would think he has done his job. He does not have to have the acceptance of 100% of his fans 100% of the time. It is impossible. Apparently you fall in the minority of unhappy fan category.
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Reply #11 posted 12/20/08 6:05pm

jdcxc

I don't approach Prince's current music the same way I did thirty years ago. I understand your disappointment. But realistically, most artists have only a few years of creative peak. It is a creative chemical brain thing. All the greats- Stevie, Marvin, Coltrane, Jimi, Bird- for various reasons only had 5-7 years of true musical genius. Miles was an exception and jazz critics still debate this.

I still appreciate the new music of P but the pure organic brilliance of his work will never reach the levels of 80-88. That doesn't mean that he still doesn't kick the ass of all his contemporaries. And as a live performer and cross genre musical technician, he has no peer. The genius that is Prince only comes around every quarter of a century and I cherish the musical remnants of greatness that still occasionally flare up.

I just wish he would leave the conservative religious dogma alone and start writing introspective lyrics again.
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Reply #12 posted 12/20/08 6:29pm

emesem

jdcxc said:



I just wish he would leave the conservative religious dogma alone and start writing introspective lyrics again.



I approve of this message. Dude's been through 2 divorces, the death of child, lost friends, death of parents, you'd think they'd be some real feelings in there somewhere as opposed to constant bragging about his skills as a lover and musician and whining about being rich.
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Reply #13 posted 12/20/08 6:55pm

jdcxc

emesem said:

jdcxc said:



I just wish he would leave the conservative religious dogma alone and start writing introspective lyrics again.



I approve of this message. Dude's been through 2 divorces, the death of child, lost friends, death of parents, you'd think they'd be some real feelings in there somewhere as opposed to constant bragging about his skills as a lover and musician and whining about being rich.


Great points. Lolita was a low point for me. Even his recent political songs point to someone out-of-touch and cloistered in selfish cult-like concerns. His underlying humanity, non-conformist and contrarian bent, and outsider status have always made me relate to him. Unfortuanately, he thinks his "new" conservative views on gays, women, religion, etc. are revolutionary but they are actually very 1950's. It's so sad to see him on the outside of the Obama moment in literal and figurative terms.
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Reply #14 posted 12/20/08 7:02pm

funksterr

This thread is deep! I love it. So many good points.
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