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PrintableI THOUGHT PRINCE HAS BEEN TRYING TO RELEASE MUSIC ON AN INDEPENDENT LABEL FOR A LONG TIME NOW
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annastesia1 said: I THOUGHT PRINCE HAS BEEN TRYING TO RELEASE MUSIC ON AN INDEPENDENT LABEL FOR A LONG TIME NOW
WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM Quickly aborted operations and did one shot deals with Columbia, Universal, Arista, EMI. Since the freedom from WB. Who works(or worked) at NPG Records? They tried with TRC, the fan club releases and some downloadables. As far as what kind of staff exists(or existed) at NPG Records. I dunno! Prince, Larry G., some lawyer and some staff that packaged the goods?  | |
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Because Prince doesn't want anybody making money off of his music and his hard work when they do basically nothing to earn it.  | |
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Maybe when http://mplsound.com/ is updated when the new CD is released (If that is P's new site for his music.) Maybe he could do like Wendy and Lisa where you stream the songs on the site and offer fans different online packages.
http://app.topspin.net/ar...984b453926 P could do an online release now and in two months offer a physical copy of the CD in stores distributed by Hi Fi Recordings. AND he could do like this idea I just saw in the Guns and Roses/Best Buy thread. (Quote) "Two cuts from the album were included in "StripJoints," a CD compilation packaged with Exotic Dancer magazine that went out to 2,500 sexually oriented clubs." [Edited 12/20/08 12:16pm] "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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Marrk said: EmbattledWarrior said: 100,000$ So your telling me , artists are only selling 6,000 or so units? Because C.D.s cost about 15 bucks then and the average artist made 2 dollars per CD Your figures are way off sir figures are more in 500,000 thousands to millions, especially for an artist of prince's stature for 50,000 units he makes alot more without label, on a 15$ cd he probably makes from 8 to 11 dollars from, thats about 500,000 just for selling 50,000 units which he could do in his sleep In case you haven't noticed... Artist have always made no money with C.D. sales. (unless your michael jackson) Downloading never hurt the artist, it hurt the record companies... (Which is probably not a bad thing) Artist have always made the lion share of their money touring and merchandising and it's no different now... Albums have always been a vehiclee for new material, and a preview of the tour... and MARRK heres the REAL ANSWER to your question... Heres a common fallacy... that people getting royalties are rolling in the money WRONG! prior to 2002 Royalty dividends are exactly 1.45 cents per record sold (or radio spins) Its changed to 8 cents, but thats still pretty miniscule, for a SONGWRITING CRED The publisher of said song, takes 50% , and the rest is divided between you and the label... I give Prince credit very RARELY, but when it comes to finances he's got my vote. Niggah should've been an accountant. but he saw this coming and got "Free" A LOOOOONG time ago instead of just 3 to 4 dollars per C.D. he gets, the majority of the money. The money he made on Emancipation was UNHEARD of for any singer... He was one of the first to usethe internet as a means of selling a product, and he's reaped the benefits... The deal distributing deal with columbia was genius, he still managed to get the most money... Newspaper... Genius... Record Companies are scum... and have gotten worse through the years... Prince is greedy, but then again why shouldn't he be? It's His Music... I think he should get every penny he can... Dling isn't really a problem with Prince because of his wide fanbase... I think his big pet peeve is the linked material that gets passed around in places like piratebay... Thereare people who upload his whole entire catalogue, bootlegs and all just to spite him... And i'm sure it infuriates the shit out of him... [Edited 12/20/08 2:04am] interesting stuff. And i agree with a lot of it. Royalty rates vary from artist to artist though don't they? in terms of what they get per unit sold and radio plays. I wouldn't expect some wet behind the ears band to get as much as a legendary act still signed to a major label.  nah of right now the royalty rate is 8 cents for anyone Say I want to cover purple rain, and i wanted to sell 200 units of that cover on C.D. I would only have to pay around 32 bucks for the licensing you divided 32$ by 200 you get .16 cents Half goes to the publisher leaving 8. between him and his label The Recordiing Industry is an evil sonoofabitch I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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...prince has a good hold of his financial..but there is a sign of happiness and fulfilment..it is the result of a change in attitude..he is achieving his goals..he is happy w/the progress..he has done it w/o hurting any1..he is looking for new challenges...it will stretch him futher than b4...EVERYTHING is good news...he is sharing with friends and family...he is THINKING b4 acting..prince is always best in a close..loving..understanding 'relationship...ladies and gentlemen...LOVE IS IN THE AIR....but i would say...TAKE EXTREME CARE W/FINACIAL MATTERS.....mzsexybaby  ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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egyptkizzee said: Because Prince doesn't want anybody making money off of his music and his hard work when they do basically nothing to earn it.
Difficult justifying Prince making all the money if a record company or retail chain(walmart/bestbuy) takes the time/spends the bucks to get the record into all the stores and spends money to promote the baby. Sometimes the costs of doing business is others will make money off from you. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: Marrk said: interesting stuff. And i agree with a lot of it. Royalty rates vary from artist to artist though don't they? in terms of what they get per unit sold and radio plays. I wouldn't expect some wet behind the ears band to get as much as a legendary act still signed to a major label. nah of right now the royalty rate is 8 cents for anyone Say I want to cover purple rain, and i wanted to sell 200 units of that cover on C.D. I would only have to pay around 32 bucks for the licensing you divided 32$ by 200 you get .16 cents Half goes to the publisher leaving 8. between him and his label The Recordiing Industry is an evil sonoofabitch I think it has changed to 9.1 for a song under 5 minutes, and .0175 cents per minute for a song over 5 minutes | |
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MajesticOne89 said: EmbattledWarrior said: nah of right now the royalty rate is 8 cents for anyone Say I want to cover purple rain, and i wanted to sell 200 units of that cover on C.D. I would only have to pay around 32 bucks for the licensing you divided 32$ by 200 you get .16 cents Half goes to the publisher leaving 8. between him and his label The Recordiing Industry is an evil sonoofabitch I think it has changed to 9.1 for a song under 5 minutes, and .0175 cents per minute for a song over 5 minutes War going on, terrestrial radio vs. sat radio/internet radio. | |
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Because he's a douche bag who believes he should be able to have his cake & eat it too.
You can attempt to simplify it like the sycophants will, by ignoring the obvious (like the first person to reply to your post), but he's a greedy prick. He wants the push of the major labels, the advertising, the visibility, the financial backing, but he doesn't want to do any of the promotion. He wants a huge payday, but none of the blame when the album eventually undersells. If he's that resistant to labels, why not start his own & try to do it any better? Again.... There's a grasp on reality that Prince fails time & time again to take hold to. | |
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viewaskew said: Because he's a douche bag.
[Flame snipped. --Matt] [Edited 12/22/08 14:41pm] JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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...prince should just avoid idle gossip...don't believe everything you hear...there is success...it is accord..unity...is a temporary hiccup...no need to overeact..not of great importance....it is all slow and steady movement...the sum of money is welcomed.....mzsexybaby ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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So your telling me , artists are only selling 6,000 or so units? Because C.D.s cost about 15 bucks then and the average artist made 2 dollars per CDYour figures are way off sir figures are more in 500,000 thousands to millions, especially for an artist of prince's stature for 50,000 units he makes alot more without label, on a 15$ cd he probably makes from 8 to 11 dollars from, thats about 500,000 just for selling 50,000 units which he could do in his sleep [/quote] Prince and no other artist is making that much per CD. Hell I would say Prince is making about $0.40-$0.60 per CD. |
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He doesn't want to  | |
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Paris9748430 said: viewaskew said: Because he's a douche bag.
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viewaskew said: Paris9748430 said: [Flame snipped. --Matt] [Name-calling snipped. --Matt] [Snip. --Matt] [Edited 12/22/08 14:42pm] JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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it's not his style.. he likes to be free | |
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Flowers2 said: it's not his style.. he likes to be free
Yeah right. Unless he thinks the deal will benefit him. The problem is major labels aren't jumping at a chance to release yet another unspectacular Prince album. Prince hasn't had a hit song in 20 years. In fact, for the public at large, he hasn't had a hit since Purple Rain. Prince isn't as hot an act as he or his fans think he is. He can sell out an arena doing his greatest hits revue for the thousand and first time, but he's not a viable record seller, let alone a hit maker. He's out of touch and a has been. These aren't exactly qualities record labels are looking for. One week sales to the fans and then he's down to #60 and then he's off the charts completely. Yeah, let's sign that up. No hard feelings. | |
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Wall said: Flowers2 said: it's not his style.. he likes to be free
Yeah right. Unless he thinks the deal will benefit him. The problem is major labels aren't jumping at a chance to release yet another unspectacular Prince album. Prince hasn't had a hit song in 20 years. In fact, for the public at large, he hasn't had a hit since Purple Rain. Prince isn't as hot an act as he or his fans think he is. He can sell out an arena doing his greatest hits revue for the thousand and first time, but he's not a viable record seller, let alone a hit maker. He's out of touch and a has been. These aren't exactly qualities record labels are looking for. One week sales to the fans and then he's down to #60 and then he's off the charts completely. Yeah, let's sign that up. I don't think any of that matters too much(as far as charts) .. Prince is a well established artist who can pretty much do what he wants and alot of folks are still going to see him live and they don't care about charts.... if he chose to sign up with a label, someone would sign him.... Forbes published that he made over $50 Million in 2004 and that was just one year, he's made more money since too... so Prince is still gettin' paid... at the end of the day.. that's all that matters... | |
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Marrk said: It's all in the question?
Duh. Greed. Money. Is it so hard? The labels want to do stuff the old way. (mostly true) Mr Prince and others want more freedoms, more money, etc. [Edited 12/21/08 2:50am] Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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Flowers2 said: Wall said: Yeah right. Unless he thinks the deal will benefit him. The problem is major labels aren't jumping at a chance to release yet another unspectacular Prince album. Prince hasn't had a hit song in 20 years. In fact, for the public at large, he hasn't had a hit since Purple Rain. Prince isn't as hot an act as he or his fans think he is. He can sell out an arena doing his greatest hits revue for the thousand and first time, but he's not a viable record seller, let alone a hit maker. He's out of touch and a has been. These aren't exactly qualities record labels are looking for. One week sales to the fans and then he's down to #60 and then he's off the charts completely. Yeah, let's sign that up. I don't think any of that matters too much(as far as charts) .. Prince is a well established artist who can pretty much do what he wants and alot of folks are still going to see him live and they don't care about charts.... if he chose to sign up with a label, someone would sign him.... Forbes published that he made over $50 Million in 2004 and that was just one year, he's made more money since too... so Prince is still gettin' paid... at the end of the day.. that's all that matters...   Co-Sign[Edited 12/21/08 6:52am] I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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Wall said: Flowers2 said: it's not his style.. he likes to be free
Yeah right. Unless he thinks the deal will benefit him. The problem is major labels aren't jumping at a chance to release yet another unspectacular Prince album. Prince hasn't had a hit song in 20 years. In fact, for the public at large, he hasn't had a hit since Purple Rain. Prince isn't as hot an act as he or his fans think he is. He can sell out an arena doing his greatest hits revue for the thousand and first time, but he's not a viable record seller, let alone a hit maker. He's out of touch and a has been. These aren't exactly qualities record labels are looking for. One week sales to the fans and then he's down to #60 and then he's off the charts completely. Yeah, let's sign that up. Dude why would he care if he is off the charts, that are full of crap anyway, within no time. Since 1996 he has had deals with all majors. He got paid better than before even tho' he sold less. He got to retain ownership even tho'he invested little and did little promotion and he didn't even give them his best songs, with exception of a few gems here and there. | |
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Wall said: Prince isn't as hot an act as he or his fans think he is. He can sell out an arena doing his greatest hits revue for the thousand and first time, but he's not a viable record seller, let alone a hit maker. He's out of touch and a has been. These aren't exactly qualities record labels are looking for.
One week sales to the fans and then he's down to #60 and then he's off the charts completely. Yeah, let's sign that up. The music industry is out of touch. It's not the musicians problem if downloading is going on and the music industry is not brave enough to look for new ways to sell music. Prince will survive by doing things other ways. Why would Prince work for another major label?? When the masses would just download the new cd and the music industry sits around and points fingers at the artists for not promoting the work. Just like with Musicology. Tons download cds but somehow some so-called fans were getting off calling Prince a cheat for including the cd with the concert ticket. | |
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Business IS Business. [Edited 12/21/08 12:31pm] | |
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Wth these sales numbers, i found my answer.
http://prince.org/msg/8/292387 Prince REALLY should continue to do his own thing, it's served him well these last few years. |
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First of all, hasn't he been making millions a year for the last couple years? Secon of all, yes the man has to be different. He comes from the era where individuality was about choosing whether or not to kill the bassline in a song, not whether individuality was about choosing between original recipe or chicken strips (also original recipe if you have seen the commercial). And thirdly, the only thing worse than greed to me is sloth. He may not choose the path of least resistance, but I imagine to Prince, it's a question of whether or not to take the high road. Whatever we think about whatever he says or does, I think it's still between Prince and Prince's God.
Marrk said: It's all in the question?
Why does he HAVE to be different than anyone else, look at U2, Jay Z or even MJ who has an enormous royalty rate that keeps him afloat. These guys make millions. Prince seems to want it all, why should he be different from everyone else? His new leaked music is great, with backing, he'd be a viable option for some major, and he'd make more money than just sitting there, thinking new ways up to distribute his music. A website won't do it, half a mill from a newspaper won't do it. It's cool and all, at aftershows pontificating about the evils of record companies, and after a pint or two, we lap it up, but in this day and age, (and when we're sober) at this point in his career, with his legendary status, i'm amazed at him. he comes across as greedy to me, you know, one of those seven deadly sins. Thoughts? 
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Wall said: Flowers2 said: it's not his style.. he likes to be free
Yeah right. Unless he thinks the deal will benefit him. The problem is major labels aren't jumping at a chance to release yet another unspectacular Prince album. Prince hasn't had a hit song in 20 years. In fact, for the public at large, he hasn't had a hit since Purple Rain. Prince isn't as hot an act as he or his fans think he is. He can sell out an arena doing his greatest hits revue for the thousand and first time, but he's not a viable record seller, let alone a hit maker. He's out of touch and a has been. These aren't exactly qualities record labels are looking for. One week sales to the fans and then he's down to #60 and then he's off the charts completely. Yeah, let's sign that up. Wrong. Records sales UNIVERSALLY are down. Anyone who's seen the chart history for the past 5 years knows that only a very small minority of artists stay for weeks and weeks on the charts. Unless you're playing for the teenage audience your records won't sell like they would have 10-15 years ago. People who want an album will download it for free. Change it one more time.. | |
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Graycap23 said: Because that is not how he chooses 2 do business these days. Simple really.
I dunno. Since his breakup with WB, Prince released very few albums without some major label being on board. Only TRC and ONA Live spring to mind, and stuff like N.E.W.S. if you want to count that. In every case, Prince screwed over the label in some major way (taking a huge advance, and then not holding up to his part of the agreement, making a label spend money on promotion only to then give the album away for free at shows or bundled with something else), and at this point i doubt he's able to ever work with any of them again even if he wanted to. "this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre" | |
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m3taverse said: and at this point i doubt he's able to ever work with any of them again even if he wanted to.
no, what would happen is.. the label would put it in the agreement that Prince can't pull any moves like that again to cover themselves ... Prince either agrees to the agreement or he doesn't... it's up to him, but I still think a few labels would still deal with him.. | |
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Marrk said: Wth these sales numbers, i found my answer.
http://prince.org/msg/8/292387 Prince REALLY should continue to do his own thing, it's served him well these last few years. told ya... Prince is a rich muthafawka... Which gives way to why he's so fuckin crazy... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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