UniversalSon said: DigMeNow said: ----- Jesus lived in the heavens as a spirit creature with his Father long before he was conceived by Mary, for some 4,000 years. His birth on earth, in early autumn of the year 2 B.C.E., was made possible by holy spirit-by means of which Jehovah transferred Jesus' life from heaven to the womb of the Jewish virgin Mary. Matthew 1:18 "But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by holy spirit before they were united." So do you consider Prince a good example of what a Jehovah's Witness should be? As a male, if I join the Witnesses, is it acceptable for me to wear a lot of make-up and high heels? I'd just like to know a Witnesses views on it? ----- First I should start by saying that I am NOT a baptized Jehovah's Witness. I have been studying for almost one year with friends that are Jehovah's Witnesses. Currently, I have Bible study twice a week in my home. I had been reading the Bible before I walked into a Kingdom Hall on my own accord. Jehovah's Witnesses did not come to my door. I knew that I wanted to get closer to God and to understand his Word better. I've had many conversations with friends from Prince.org. One of these friends encouraged me to go to the Kingdom Hall. I will also say that I didn't fully understand some of Prince's lyrics and had started to do some research. During that time I found all of it to be quite interesting and enlightening. I believe that God puts people in our path to help us along this journey in life. Now to answer your questions. I have seen a remarkable change in Prince's appearance,attire,lyrics,statements in the press and his own words spoken in concert. I truly feel that Prince is trying to live his life by applying the accurate knowledge of God's Word. Yes I do feel that Prince is a good example of a Jehovah's Witness should be. It is my own opinion that Jehovah's Witnesses do not try to take away a person's own individuality. This was one of my concerns when I first started studying and had many questions. I haven't changed my personality, I'm still me. I will sit and discuss the Bible for 2 1/2 hours and yes sometimes I interject my humor during the study. The sister that knows me very well says she loves to study with me. I have many questions, I like to engage in discussion and we have a good time doing so. Prince is still going to be Prince,a funky, funky, man...can't take that away from him nor should anyone do so! Whatever congregation Prince belongs to, I am sure they counsel him and would bring up any issues they believe need to be addressed. Personally, I don't think that his boots with a higher heel are unacceptable. Prince is a petite man and he has worn them for many years. He wears beautifully tailored suits with boots most likely to the Kingdom Hall. He wears less make-up now than he did in the past. As an entertainer, I think some make-up is required due to all of the lights he is under. I don't know him personally, and I don't know if he wears make-up to the Hall. Again, if the elders in his congregation felt that he needed to be counseled they would do so. One of the sisters I study with doesn't think his heels are an issue at all. She has been studying the Word for 30+ years. We all are imperfect human beings,we learn and we make changes in our lives. Prince has been sharing what he has learned and he tries to spread the Word. The majority of people will not be accepting of this, and he knows that. However, he has an obligation to God and he remains steadfast in trying to spread the good news. Prince has the Holy Spirit provided by Jehovah God to continue on his path. He will continue to meet opposition of his beliefs by the public,and that's ok. | |
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Evvy said: DigMeNow said: ----- Jesus lived in the heavens as a spirit creature with his Father long before he was conceived by Mary, for some 4,000 years. His birth on earth, in early autumn of the year 2 B.C.E., was made possible by holy spirit-by means of which Jehovah transferred Jesus' life from heaven to the womb of the Jewish virgin Mary. Matthew 1:18 "But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by holy spirit before they were united." thank you wrong information is abundant when it comes to Bible truth You are very welcome Evvy....and I still have a LOT to learn. Let's hope I still have plenty of time to do so. lol | |
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.... Prince a good example of what a Jehovah's Witness should be?
What about his sexual lyrics and his onstage sexuality? I don't mean, back in the day, I mean now. Example: Rainbow Children, as dogmatic as people claim it is, also has lyrics describing the joys of sex toys. "New Power slide...." | |
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DigMeNow said: UniversalSon said: So do you consider Prince a good example of what a Jehovah's Witness should be? As a male, if I join the Witnesses, is it acceptable for me to wear a lot of make-up and high heels? I'd just like to know a Witnesses views on it? ----- First I should start by saying that I am NOT a baptized Jehovah's Witness. I have been studying for almost one year with friends that are Jehovah's Witnesses. Currently, I have Bible study twice a week in my home. I had been reading the Bible before I walked into a Kingdom Hall on my own accord. Jehovah's Witnesses did not come to my door. I knew that I wanted to get closer to God and to understand his Word better. I've had many conversations with friends from Prince.org. One of these friends encouraged me to go to the Kingdom Hall. I will also say that I didn't fully understand some of Prince's lyrics and had started to do some research. During that time I found all of it to be quite interesting and enlightening. I believe that God puts people in our path to help us along this journey in life. Now to answer your questions. I have seen a remarkable change in Prince's appearance,attire,lyrics,statements in the press and his own words spoken in concert. I truly feel that Prince is trying to live his life by applying the accurate knowledge of God's Word. Yes I do feel that Prince is a good example of a Jehovah's Witness should be. It is my own opinion that Jehovah's Witnesses do not try to take away a person's own individuality. This was one of my concerns when I first started studying and had many questions. I haven't changed my personality, I'm still me. I will sit and discuss the Bible for 2 1/2 hours and yes sometimes I interject my humor during the study. The sister that knows me very well says she loves to study with me. I have many questions, I like to engage in discussion and we have a good time doing so. Prince is still going to be Prince,a funky, funky, man...can't take that away from him nor should anyone do so! Whatever congregation Prince belongs to, I am sure they counsel him and would bring up any issues they believe need to be addressed. Personally, I don't think that his boots with a higher heel are unacceptable. Prince is a petite man and he has worn them for many years. He wears beautifully tailored suits with boots most likely to the Kingdom Hall. He wears less make-up now than he did in the past. As an entertainer, I think some make-up is required due to all of the lights he is under. I don't know him personally, and I don't know if he wears make-up to the Hall. Again, if the elders in his congregation felt that he needed to be counseled they would do so. One of the sisters I study with doesn't think his heels are an issue at all. She has been studying the Word for 30+ years. We all are imperfect human beings,we learn and we make changes in our lives. Prince has been sharing what he has learned and he tries to spread the Word. The majority of people will not be accepting of this, and he knows that. However, he has an obligation to God and he remains steadfast in trying to spread the good news. Prince has the Holy Spirit provided by Jehovah God to continue on his path. He will continue to meet opposition of his beliefs by the public,and that's ok. Well said. God is our 1 and only judge. We can only try to do the best we can to live righteous lives and love one another in this space in time. When you decide to take a stand for God you become his representative, so your life then must reflect that love for him. I believe Prince is doing the best he can. Yes! opposition is all around, especially for him, but as long as his mind is guided by spiritual thoughts and he puts himself in the company of those who share his deep love for God, he will fare well. Peace and love | |
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xtrafab said: Well said. God is our 1 and only judge. We can only try to do the best we can
to live righteous lives and love one another in this space in time. When you decide to take a stand for God you become his representative, so your life then must reflect that love for him. I believe Prince is doing the best he can. Yes! opposition is all around, especially for him, but as long as his mind is guided by spiritual thoughts and he puts himself in the company of those who share his deep love for God, he will fare well. Peace and love does Brenda enjoy the anal sex as much as he does? | |
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Prince becomin a JW got him to become conservative in his dress style and stage performances, but his sexual appetite is still way above 'high'. If the JWs don't realize that by now, they're blinded by his monetary donations. I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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Very nice posts DigMeNow Very enlightening. | |
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No. They'll attempt to preach to me. | |
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Evvy said: Flowers2 said: this is gonna get moved to P&R .. and you're right... they don't share Christ... they don't believe in The Virgin Birth of Jesus or The Deity of Christ... wrong again- they believe that Christ is God's son- yet not part of a trinity- they do believe that he was born from the virgin Mary Matthew 28:19 ..."the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"!!!!! So what it the JW's founder or later leaders that changed scripture????? | |
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Astasheiks said: Evvy said: wrong again- they believe that Christ is God's son- yet not part of a trinity- they do believe that he was born from the virgin Mary Matthew 28:19 ..."the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"!!!!! So what it the JW's founder or later leaders that changed scripture????? You see know JW came forth and answered the question because if you check their Bible you see its in direct contracdiction with "the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"! | |
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Evvy said: DigMeNow said: ----- Jesus lived in the heavens as a spirit creature with his Father long before he was conceived by Mary, for some 4,000 years. His birth on earth, in early autumn of the year 2 B.C.E., was made possible by holy spirit-by means of which Jehovah transferred Jesus' life from heaven to the womb of the Jewish virgin Mary. Matthew 1:18 "But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by holy spirit before they were united." thank you wrong information is abundant when it comes to Bible truth The Watchtower magazine says "there is Scriptural evidence for concluding that Michael was the name of Jesus Christ before he left heaven and after his return." Indeed, "Michael the great prince' is none other than Jesus Christ Himself" ....a direct contracdiction from The Bible! | |
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Prince can do whatever the funk he wants beacuse he's PRINCE damnit! Why does anyone give a damn what religion he practices? I don't care what he does as long as he keeps putting out good music. | |
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Astasheiks said: Evvy said: wrong again- they believe that Christ is God's son- yet not part of a trinity- they do believe that he was born from the virgin Mary Matthew 28:19 ..."the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"!!!!! So what it the JW's founder or later leaders that changed scripture????? ----- Jehovah's Witnesses do not change the scriptures. Seriously if they did do you think God would be happy about that. Nope! The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is directly from Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic in modern day English. The Trinity wasn't even taught until after 300 C.E. years after Jesus Christ died. Let's look at Matthew 28:19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." The Father(Father is capitalized),and represents God, the Son(Son is capitalized) and represents Jesus Christ(the son of God), and the holy spirit is NOT capitalized and does NOT represent a specific person but rather it is the active life force of God. Jehovah's Witnesses do not dispute that there is Holy Spirit, for it is written in the Bible. However it is NOT a person. The definition of spirit: The Hebrew word ru'ach and the Greek pneu'ma, which are often translated "spirit" have a number or meaning. All of them refer to that which is invisible to human sight and which gives evidence of force in motion. The Hebrew and Greek words are used with reference to 1) Wind, 2) the active life-force in earthly creatures, 3) the impelling force that issues from a person's figurative heart and that causes him to say and do things in a certain way, 4) inspired utterances originating with an invisible source, 5) spirit persons, and 6) God's active force, or holy spirit. The Trinity teaches that God consists of three persons-The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of these three persons is said to be equal to the others, almighty and without beginning. According to the Trinity doctrine, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only ONE God. We do not serve THREE Gods. The word "Trinity" never occurs in the Bible. Yet the idea of a Trinity is found there? | |
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Astasheiks said: Evvy said: thank you wrong information is abundant when it comes to Bible truth The Watchtower magazine says "there is Scriptural evidence for concluding that Michael was the name of Jesus Christ before he left heaven and after his return." Indeed, "Michael the great prince' is none other than Jesus Christ Himself" ....a direct contracdiction from The Bible! ----- This will explain why Michael is the Archangel. It is taken directly from the book, What Does The Bible Really Teach? Who Is Michael the Archangel? The spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah's rulership and fighting God's enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name- "Who Is Like God?" But who is Micheal? At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon. (Genesis 49:1,2; Matthew 10:2) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us consider Scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion. Archangel God's Word refers to Michael "the archangel." (Jude9) This term means "chief angel." Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term "archangel" occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: "The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice." Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael. Army Leader The Bible states that "Michael and his angels battled with the dragon... and it's angels." (Revelation 12:7) Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Revelation 19: 14-16) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions "the Lord Jesus" and "his powerful angels." (2 Thessalonians 1:7; Matthew 13:41) Since God's Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven-one headed by Micheal and one headed by Jesus-it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role. ----- 2 Thessalonians 1:7 "but, to YOU who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels" Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of man is destined to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will recompense each one according to his behavior." 1 Peter 3:22 "He is at the God's right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him." Revelation 19:14-16 "Also, the armies that were in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. And out of his mouth there protrudes a sharp long sword, that he may strike the nations with it, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. He treads too the winepress of the anger of the wrath of God the Almighty. And upon his outer garment, even upon his thigh, he has a name written, King of Kings and Lord of lords." | |
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DigMeNow said: UniversalSon said: So do you consider Prince a good example of what a Jehovah's Witness should be? As a male, if I join the Witnesses, is it acceptable for me to wear a lot of make-up and high heels? I'd just like to know a Witnesses views on it? ----- First I should start by saying that I am NOT a baptized Jehovah's Witness. I have been studying for almost one year with friends that are Jehovah's Witnesses. Currently, I have Bible study twice a week in my home. I had been reading the Bible before I walked into a Kingdom Hall on my own accord. Jehovah's Witnesses did not come to my door. I knew that I wanted to get closer to God and to understand his Word better. I've had many conversations with friends from Prince.org. One of these friends encouraged me to go to the Kingdom Hall. I will also say that I didn't fully understand some of Prince's lyrics and had started to do some research. During that time I found all of it to be quite interesting and enlightening. I believe that God puts people in our path to help us along this journey in life. Now to answer your questions. I have seen a remarkable change in Prince's appearance,attire,lyrics,statements in the press and his own words spoken in concert. I truly feel that Prince is trying to live his life by applying the accurate knowledge of God's Word. Yes I do feel that Prince is a good example of a Jehovah's Witness should be. It is my own opinion that Jehovah's Witnesses do not try to take away a person's own individuality. This was one of my concerns when I first started studying and had many questions. I haven't changed my personality, I'm still me. I will sit and discuss the Bible for 2 1/2 hours and yes sometimes I interject my humor during the study. The sister that knows me very well says she loves to study with me. I have many questions, I like to engage in discussion and we have a good time doing so. Prince is still going to be Prince,a funky, funky, man...can't take that away from him nor should anyone do so! Whatever congregation Prince belongs to, I am sure they counsel him and would bring up any issues they believe need to be addressed. Personally, I don't think that his boots with a higher heel are unacceptable. Prince is a petite man and he has worn them for many years. He wears beautifully tailored suits with boots most likely to the Kingdom Hall. He wears less make-up now than he did in the past. As an entertainer, I think some make-up is required due to all of the lights he is under. I don't know him personally, and I don't know if he wears make-up to the Hall. Again, if the elders in his congregation felt that he needed to be counseled they would do so. One of the sisters I study with doesn't think his heels are an issue at all. She has been studying the Word for 30+ years. We all are imperfect human beings,we learn and we make changes in our lives. Prince has been sharing what he has learned and he tries to spread the Word. The majority of people will not be accepting of this, and he knows that. However, he has an obligation to God and he remains steadfast in trying to spread the good news. Prince has the Holy Spirit provided by Jehovah God to continue on his path. He will continue to meet opposition of his beliefs by the public,and that's ok. Thanks for your response. While I don't agree with what you say, it's nice to see a level headed response for a change. | |
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Evvy said: With such an influx of lies about their beliefs- JWs undoubtly remain out of conversations such as this one because of the malicious hatred, lies and accusations thrown at them over misunderstandings and ignorance.
Either that, or they cannot defend their beliefs & expect to be taken at all seriously. | |
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JayJai said: Prince becomin a JW got him to become conservative in his dress style and stage performances, but his sexual appetite is still way above 'high'. If the JWs don't realize that by now, they're blinded by his monetary donations.
sexual appetite?- didn't god make Eve for Adam? -give me a break .... LOVE HARD. | |
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Evvy said: JayJai said: Prince becomin a JW got him to become conservative in his dress style and stage performances, but his sexual appetite is still way above 'high'. If the JWs don't realize that by now, they're blinded by his monetary donations.
sexual appetite?- didn't god make Eve for Adam? -give me a break .... Say what? Does anyone else here interpret wat I meant in the way Evvy interpreted it? If so, lemme break it down...knowin Prince, his lyrics and wat he loves to sing about, (conservative and strict) Jehovah Witnesses will prolly cringe at the sexual content of his songs. and that's wat I meant by 'sexual appetite'...Understand now??? [Edited 12/1/08 4:15am] I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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Didn't the bible said that if you do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, you are condemned already? Micheal and Latoya had a very good reason to leave that sect. God wants your heart and soul, NOT your money. Unfortunately, my grandmother was a JW before she passed on and my aunt is in the process of becoming one. | |
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viewaskew said: Evvy said: With such an influx of lies about their beliefs- JWs undoubtly remain out of conversations such as this one because of the malicious hatred, lies and accusations thrown at them over misunderstandings and ignorance.
Either that, or they cannot defend their beliefs & expect to be taken at all seriously. Amen! | |
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angel345 said: Didn't the bible said that if you do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, you are condemned already? Micheal and Latoya had a very good reason to leave that sect. God wants your heart and soul, NOT your money. Unfortunately, my grandmother was a JW before she passed on and my aunt is in the process of becoming one.
Amen again! | |
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bboy87 said: totaldiva said: The JW religion put's up with Prince for the same reason as they did with Michael Jackson: that percentage of income that goes to the church. Dou you really think that a make up and high heel wearing male would be tolorated in the JW (or many other) churches if it weren't benificial for them? The JW's had a problem with Michael Jacksons "Thriller" video, yet they had no problem accepting what I am sure was a huge amount of money he made from "Thriller". They had no problem with that huge Kingdom Hall bought by Michael Jackson in Jersey City, NJ during that time.
[Edited 11/24/08 20:43pm] They damn near disowned Michael a couple of times: -When he did Thriller and they nearly made him destroy it -When he decided to do the Victory Tour, they had a member come with the brothers on tour to report on him -One meeting, there was a sermon that totally blasted Michael...and he was sitting right there. After the service, he went up to the speaker,although he was hurt and told him it was a good sermon damn totaldiva, I didn't know about the Jersey City thing....and I'm a walking MJ encyclopedia! Now I gotta step my game up What was the sermon about that they've blasted MJ for? | |
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No I've never asked a Jehovah's Witness about Prince I mean why bother. Its obvious Prince is faking it. | |
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Nope "eye" color my path with rainbows and flowers, I stay away from thorns! | |
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xX13Xx said: No I've never asked a Jehovah's Witness about Prince I mean why bother. Its obvious Prince is faking it.
Why you say that? He's only human. It's not easy being good but I think he tries. His heart is in the right place. | |
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daPrettyman said: Evvy said: they are either not recognized as being JWs or are estranged from it - it's not about being allowed to do things- JWs believe that God gave them free will to choose whether or not to serve him- either you do or you don't- what's not tolerated is people frequenting the organization, fraternizing,preaching - who don't follow Bible principles- then you are no longer considered to be a JW, you are disfellowshipped. If you are still part of the organization with the same issues- but have a repentant attititude- certain priveledges are taken away and the yet again the elders are there to help you spiritually- it's like pulling a rotten apple out of a basket full of good ones. OK, I get most of that, but the part that is confusing to me is the taking away of privileges. What type of privileges? What can be confusing about their sect is you are expected to live by the letter of the law, rather than spiritual. If you don't meet their principles, off with your head. That's why there was a constant battle between Jesus and the Pharisees. There was one incident when they were going to stone the woman who was an adulturess, but He said those whom have no sin may cast the first stone. They walked away. You cannot work your way into the kingdom of God, it is His gift to you. When you are saved, His Spirit dwells in you and His laws are written in your heart. Do you continue in ongoing sin because of His grace. No. Another thing is they deny Jesus as the Son of God. Condemnation already and between the JW and Mormans, who deny Jesus, you should be careful with them. | |
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I don't need to ask a true Jehova's witness to tell me if Prince is one.
It's obvious he isn't and that he isn't even really trying either. | |
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jehovahs witnesses twist the bible better than most.
they misquote all the time. if your studing with a witness than use the internet.. ask the hard questions.. there should be nothing you can't ask.. don't believe them... the "world" is not full of evil wicked people.. live your life.. not some us VS them nonsense... its a CULT.. use the internet.. the truth should be able to be examined..... dont take no for an answer.. | |
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UniversalSon said: DigMeNow said: ----- Jesus lived in the heavens as a spirit creature with his Father long before he was conceived by Mary, for some 4,000 years. His birth on earth, in early autumn of the year 2 B.C.E., was made possible by holy spirit-by means of which Jehovah transferred Jesus' life from heaven to the womb of the Jewish virgin Mary. Matthew 1:18 "But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by holy spirit before they were united." So do you consider Prince a good example of what a Jehovah's Witness should be? As a male, if I join the Witnesses, is it acceptable for me to wear a lot of make-up and high heels? I'd just like to know a Witnesses views on it? ----- You guys kill me. P may be wearing make-up when he is on stage or making a public apperance. We do not know if he is wearing make-up when he is sitting in his house chilling. All actors wear make-up when they are on camera or working so I do not see what the problem is with P and make-up. Jesus JB and Jackie Wilson wore make-up and those two were not soft by any means. | |
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