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PrintableGiGi319 said: Prince is an average musician
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Prince and the word average doesn't even belong in the same sentence! Do you know a person as multi-talented and creative as Prince? Do you know a person who taught himself how to play all these instruments and is in addition to that a brilliant songwriter and performer? Do you really believe that Warner would have signed Prince at such a tender age when nobody even knew who Prince was, if it wasn't for his incredible talent? Not only was he signed by Warner but given more freedom than any established musician at the time. Prince is not average, Prince's talent is absolutely amazing and out of this world! I'm sayin'! I feel cool. Alive. Aware, that I'm sinking
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berniejobs said: muirdo said: one of my favourite ever threads in here was as follows:
I often wonder, especially in the early days before computers and sequencers were a heavy part of the recording process, how Prince did those long extended jams on his albums. What I mean is - many of his songs would be a few verses, a few choruses, and then would launch into long jams... such as DMSR, 1999, Just Another Sucker, Just As Long As We're Together, Let's Work, etc. To write a structured song with verses and bridges, etc, is relatively simple. It's all mapped out basically. Like the Kenny Rogers song "The Gambler" for an extremely simple example. But I wonder, how did Prince "map out" those jams if he was doing it all on his own. Could he "hear" all the parts in his head before starting? Or did he literally say "I am going to make this song 8 minutes and 25 seconds."? This sounds like a simple question, but when you are actually recording in that fashion, it is really a mystery. The reason being is that if you are recording the drum part first, for example, and at 8:14 you decide to do a fill or a stop, then you will have to remember to change with the drums at 8:14 when you are doing the bass, synth, vocals, etc... I am probably phrasing this question to sound complicated, but I'm trying... For another example... The song "I'm Yours" has kind of a massive build up, or crescendo, throughout the song to the ending. Somehow Prince had to known in his mind to make all the parts interlock to create this crescendo properly. It would be one thing to record a song like this with a full band and give the other bands members cues and whatnot, but playing all the instruments yourself? Without the aide of ProTools (in 1980)? And at a studio that probably charged $50+ per hour? That's feckin' amazing. nuff said.  Uhh, yeah, I think I wrote those quoted paragraphs... those works of literary genius... thanks for quoting me but next time can you say who was the source?  (half kidding)totally sorry mate...I couldnt find the original thread but i saved your question somewhere. It was perhaps one of the best question/threads id seen for a long time and it was more or less ignored. Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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Prince an average musican,gary Moore a better guitar player,Girls aloud are talented, What a load of dog shit ! | |
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tell ur friend i said   man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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Let's see...Prince is supposedly an average musician....and misiu has been a fan for 17 years 
Pretty average I'd say PRINCE IS WATCHING U  " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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Thelonious Monk cannot play piano like Oscar Petersen. That's a fact. He can't technically do it. Almost no-one can. Doesn't mean he's not a friggin musical genius. Yes, there are better guitar technicians than Prince. There are better 'technicians' than Hendrix. It doesn't matter. It doesn't change the fact that Monk, Henrix and Prince have probably touched more people's hearts than most of these great 'technicians' or 'musicians' (however you want to quantify them), whoever that are, put together!
There's a very individual way of relating to an instrument that develops over many long years of practice, performance, and just playing, that you can't measure by conventional estimations of ability. Call it soul, if you like. Prince has it, as Prof Farnswirt would say: "oh my yes". (That's why Oscar Peterson can't play like Monk either!) Take it - like Clarence said:
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prince is an awesome composer, music and lyrics bar none! when it comes to playing....he is off sometimes, lets face it.
He isn't a "perfect" musician and sometimes he misses it, but the music itself is far beyond average. THE B EST BE YOURSELF AS LONG AS YOUR SELF ISNT A DYCK[/r]
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what a fucking joke
you obviously haven't heard enough of his live performances and aftershows | |
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he people lets face it!
Prince is a good musician! he is a visionist! But be real, but there is more quantity than qaulity! Thats a paint! i still love him! Some said i should have heard him live to listen to his solos... He can play his guitar but he uses almost always effects! For those of u who never had a guitar in their hands, take one with effects and play some riffs! u will see how great it can sound... There are people who can play it without that.... | |
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misiu said: he people lets face it!
Prince is a good musician! he is a visionist! But be real, but there is more quantity than qaulity! Thats a paint! i still love him! Some said i should have heard him live to listen to his solos... He can play his guitar but he uses almost always effects! For those of u who never had a guitar in their hands, take one with effects and play some riffs! u will see how great it can sound... There are people who can play it without that.... U might be surprised to find he can play it without that as well PRINCE IS WATCHING U " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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chillichocaholic said: misiu said: he people lets face it!
Prince is a good musician! he is a visionist! But be real, but there is more quantity than qaulity! Thats a paint! i still love him! Some said i should have heard him live to listen to his solos... He can play his guitar but he uses almost always effects! For those of u who never had a guitar in their hands, take one with effects and play some riffs! u will see how great it can sound... There are people who can play it without that.... U might be surprised to find he can play it without that as well  and I doubt he even knew how to use effects when he started playin  I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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misiu said: he people lets face it!
Prince is a good musician! he is a visionist! But be real, but there is more quantity than qaulity! Thats a paint! i still love him! Some said i should have heard him live to listen to his solos... He can play his guitar but he uses almost always effects! For those of u who never had a guitar in their hands, take one with effects and play some riffs! u will see how great it can sound... There are people who can play it without that.... Honestly, he's a wonderful musician. An his voice, ive never heard anyone sing like he does and do some of the things he does with his voice. How can anyone say that's just mediocre? | |
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LizaWoman08 said: misiu said: he people lets face it!
Prince is a good musician! he is a visionist! But be real, but there is more quantity than qaulity! Thats a paint! i still love him! Some said i should have heard him live to listen to his solos... He can play his guitar but he uses almost always effects! For those of u who never had a guitar in their hands, take one with effects and play some riffs! u will see how great it can sound... There are people who can play it without that.... Honestly, he's a wonderful musician. An his voice, ive never heard anyone sing like he does and do some of the things he does with his voice. How can anyone say that's just mediocre? Jealousy is a curse...that's how. The biggest critics are often the ones that can't pull the same kind of talent out of their little finger, let alone their ass PRINCE IS WATCHING U " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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I can't play any instruments, or sing, or write a song.
I have no idea how it works. All I know is for 20 years I have been drawn to Prince. I can't say why? I think he is a brilliant poet, plays with a huge amount of passion and energy, writes lyrics that most people can only gaze in awe at. Yes, I'm sure other people could do it too, but they haven't. Prince is out there pushing himself, constantly trying to improve and I just respect him. Maybe music isn't just about playing the right notes in the right order. It's more than that, I believe. But what it is, I don't know. Shut up already, damn. | |
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misiu said: Prince is just another avarage musician
I disagree 100% 
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moderatorluv4u said: misiu said: Prince is just another avarage musician
I disagree 100% Can you say why pleaaassseeee....?? Shut up already, damn. | |
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misiu said: he people lets face it!
Prince is a good musician! he is a visionist! But be real, but there is more quantity than qaulity! Thats a paint! i still love him! Some said i should have heard him live to listen to his solos... He can play his guitar but he uses almost always effects! For those of u who never had a guitar in their hands, take one with effects and play some riffs! u will see how great it can sound... There are people who can play it without that.... Prince is one of the most wonderful guitarists on the face of the planet , most guitarists will use pedals , Its all about the sound he can get out of his rather cheap choice of axe, which is full of pain , joy and rich in power .many other guitarists may be better technicelly.But completley lack any emotion . | |
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chillichocaholic said: misiu said: he people lets face it!
Prince is a good musician! he is a visionist! But be real, but there is more quantity than qaulity! Thats a paint! i still love him! Some said i should have heard him live to listen to his solos... He can play his guitar but he uses almost always effects! For those of u who never had a guitar in their hands, take one with effects and play some riffs! u will see how great it can sound... There are people who can play it without that.... U might be surprised to find he can play it without that as well who used effectz ne more thn hendrix??? | |
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pepper7 said: I can't play any instruments, or sing, or write a song.
I have no idea how it works. All I know is for 20 years I have been drawn to Prince. I can't say why? I think he is a brilliant poet, plays with a huge amount of passion and energy, writes lyrics that most people can only gaze in awe at. Yes, I'm sure other people could do it too, but they haven't. Prince is out there pushing himself, constantly trying to improve and I just respect him. Maybe music isn't just about playing the right notes in the right order. It's more than that, I believe. But what it is, I don't know. This is a really open-minded and actually fitting thing to say for someone who doesn't play any instruments or sing. Really, I'm impressed. 
Only Prince can touch both music specialists AND ordinary people who just like listening to music, which is reason enough for me to say he is NOT average or anything like that!  | |
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Occum's Razor. go play with yourself Cx | |
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Dave1992 said: pepper7 said: I can't play any instruments, or sing, or write a song.
I have no idea how it works. All I know is for 20 years I have been drawn to Prince. I can't say why? I think he is a brilliant poet, plays with a huge amount of passion and energy, writes lyrics that most people can only gaze in awe at. Yes, I'm sure other people could do it too, but they haven't. Prince is out there pushing himself, constantly trying to improve and I just respect him. Maybe music isn't just about playing the right notes in the right order. It's more than that, I believe. But what it is, I don't know. This is a really open-minded and actually fitting thing to say for someone who doesn't play any instruments or sing. Really, I'm impressed.
Only Prince can touch both music specialists AND ordinary people who just like listening to music, which is reason enough for me to say he is NOT average or anything like that! Thank you! [Edited 11/24/08 4:29am] Shut up already, damn. | |
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I skimmed this topic, my main point in responding is just exasperation with musicians. Musicians are never reliable for any kind of critique, they are too jealous, too critical and too vain. I'm not going to get into any drawn out debates but I'll just say(for about the 10 time here) that musicians are like a bunch of vain women cutting each other down every chance they get. I don't like it in daily life (being one myself) and I don't like it here. It's childish, petty and the first sign of someone who hasn't grown up. | |
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mozfonky said: I skimmed this topic, my main point in responding is just exasperation with musicians. Musicians are never reliable for any kind of critique, they are too jealous, too critical and too vain. I'm not going to get into any drawn out debates but I'll just say(for about the 10 time here) that musicians are like a bunch of vain women cutting each other down every chance they get. I don't like it in daily life (being one myself) and I don't like it here. It's childish, petty and the first sign of someone who hasn't grown up.
i dont think the person i am talking to is jealous..... the person said prince can play guitar, he can play piano in his own way and is someone who can really sing! But there are people who can do it much better! He is not that impressed by him! He thinks prince is more an entertainer.. Not one he said wow, but the more he said eeeeeh! Prince is more quantity than quality! BTW. I was watching the Musicology tour yesterday, and i have the impression thas his guitarplaying is more a show than playing. Most of his solos are very simple! But they have some emotion! Hey i love prince, but i just think that some people here are deaf not open for other great musicians! | |
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misiu said: i dont think the person i am talking to is jealous.....
the person said prince can play guitar, he can play piano in his own way and is someone who can really sing! But there are people who can do it much better! He is not that impressed by him! He thinks prince is more an entertainer.. Not one he said wow, but the more he said eeeeeh! Prince is more quantity than quality! BTW. I was watching the Musicology tour yesterday, and i have the impression thas his guitarplaying is more a show than playing. Most of his solos are very simple! But they have some emotion! Hey i love prince, but i just think that some people here are deaf not open for other great musicians! a good musician is measured by the honesty in his work not the cleverness of it, nor the quickness of it. it doesnt matter if a musician can play fast or slow it doesnt matter if they know all the chords or even if they can read it doesnt matter if they can do complex things or simple things there is this very strange 'muso club' its global (scary thought) where musicians tend to vanish up their own behinds with notions of how clever music should be how strange and wierd their chords can be how fast they can do licks and runs and solos and transcribe on the spot how intellectually superior they are because they can play jazz backwards my question is: and? none of it is music if you are not connecting your heart and mind in honesty and allowing that to flow through your work. music is an expression of the spirit, the soul, your light, your love and your emotions. nursery rhyme simplicity is often the best vehicle through which the purity of a musicians soul can flow this is why Prince's music is so appealing most times, it is simple, and honest you can feel his funk you can feel him flowing with it and expressing it and giving it to you letting it out of him, letting his spirit unwind and be free through the music through very simple music, simple chord progressions. music is not an intellectual nor even a physical pursuit so much as it is the voice of the spirit. if you are dead inside you will be a crap musician. if you are connected to the source of all music (the centre of the universe) and you are unblocked and free in your expressions you will be the greatest musician of all time and that is precisely what Prince is: the greatest musician.  | |
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union119 said: misiu said: i dont think the person i am talking to is jealous.....
the person said prince can play guitar, he can play piano in his own way and is someone who can really sing! But there are people who can do it much better! He is not that impressed by him! He thinks prince is more an entertainer.. Not one he said wow, but the more he said eeeeeh! Prince is more quantity than quality! BTW. I was watching the Musicology tour yesterday, and i have the impression thas his guitarplaying is more a show than playing. Most of his solos are very simple! But they have some emotion! Hey i love prince, but i just think that some people here are deaf not open for other great musicians! a good musician is measured by the honesty in his work not the cleverness of it, nor the quickness of it. it doesnt matter if a musician can play fast or slow it doesnt matter if they know all the chords or even if they can read it doesnt matter if they can do complex things or simple things there is this very strange 'muso club' its global (scary thought) where musicians tend to vanish up their own behinds with notions of how clever music should be how strange and wierd their chords can be how fast they can do licks and runs and solos and transcribe on the spot how intellectually superior they are because they can play jazz backwards my question is: and? none of it is music if you are not connecting your heart and mind in honesty and allowing that to flow through your work. music is an expression of the spirit, the soul, your light, your love and your emotions. nursery rhyme simplicity is often the best vehicle through which the purity of a musicians soul can flow this is why Prince's music is so appealing most times, it is simple, and honest you can feel his funk you can feel him flowing with it and expressing it and giving it to you letting it out of him, letting his spirit unwind and be free through the music through very simple music, simple chord progressions. music is not an intellectual nor even a physical pursuit so much as it is the voice of the spirit. if you are dead inside you will be a crap musician. if you are connected to the source of all music (the centre of the universe) and you are unblocked and free in your expressions you will be the greatest musician of all time and that is precisely what Prince is: the greatest musician. that was Beautiful
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chillichocaholic said: union119 said: a good musician is measured by the honesty in his work
not the cleverness of it, nor the quickness of it. it doesnt matter if a musician can play fast or slow it doesnt matter if they know all the chords or even if they can read it doesnt matter if they can do complex things or simple things there is this very strange 'muso club' its global (scary thought) where musicians tend to vanish up their own behinds with notions of how clever music should be how strange and wierd their chords can be how fast they can do licks and runs and solos and transcribe on the spot how intellectually superior they are because they can play jazz backwards my question is: and? none of it is music if you are not connecting your heart and mind in honesty and allowing that to flow through your work. music is an expression of the spirit, the soul, your light, your love and your emotions. nursery rhyme simplicity is often the best vehicle through which the purity of a musicians soul can flow this is why Prince's music is so appealing most times, it is simple, and honest you can feel his funk you can feel him flowing with it and expressing it and giving it to you letting it out of him, letting his spirit unwind and be free through the music through very simple music, simple chord progressions. music is not an intellectual nor even a physical pursuit so much as it is the voice of the spirit. if you are dead inside you will be a crap musician. if you are connected to the source of all music (the centre of the universe) and you are unblocked and free in your expressions you will be the greatest musician of all time and that is precisely what Prince is: the greatest musician. that was Beautiful
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union119 said: chillichocaholic said: that was Beautiful
For U thank you
i love you more! u and ure MJ  When are u gonna start that danceoff thread huh? PRINCE IS WATCHING U " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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Average musician? Yeah OK. There are MANY "musicians" that can play as good or perhaps even better than Prince, but what makes Prince a GREAT musician is the licks HE writes and the sounds HE created. That's what being a great musician is. I know guitar players that can play every Jimi Hendrix song to a T, but no way are they even 1/100th the musician Jimi was because HE created it to begin with. Hilarious... Dr. Fonta |
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