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PrintableGuess it's not surprising considering he's a J. Hov. Whether or not he views homosexuality as something that should be condemned or if he feels it's a sin to be approached with "hope," he still views homosexuals as sinners. Period.
I just find it odd that a smart man like Prince needs a book written by men (who are very flawed), for a society existing more than 2000 years ago, to tell him the difference between right and wrong. People have used the Bible to deny civil rights to people for CENTURIES. Gays and Lesbians just happen to be that last group of people to deny happiness to and it's SO UNFORTUNATE. You think the role of women in the bible and presence of slaves had nothing to do with societies denying civil rights to women and slaves? Look how far we've come since then. Telling a woman or an African-American that they don't deserve the same civil rights as a white man just seems unfathomable now. I think one day (hopefully soon), we will look back on this time and feel ashamed that we denied millions of people the right to be happy. It's a strange and disappointing realization to make that Prince just isn't that man you look up to anymore (even though many of us had made that realization a loooong time ago). But it's like that moment in your life when you realize your parents aren't the all-knowing and perfect human beings you thought they were. They're just human beings with flaws just like everyone else. | |
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funksterr said: People get more conservative as they get older, so it's no surprise that Prince has done the same. As for the rest of it, you've got to remember that Prince went to public school, and never had a college level education. He's a bright guy who is interested in a lot of things, but you can't learn everything on the street. I would not be surprised if Prince enrolled in a University. When Prince was at his best, his lyrics were simple and universal to the point that he (and Sting) was the favorite artist of the college students I knew. Since he has tried to educate himself through the Witnesses and general experience, the lyrics are hard to relate to, and he comes off judgemental and ignorant.
Please. A university education is just an indoctrination of another sort.  Why would he sign up for that?We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Civil rights. Someone a few posts back said that they missed the 'free spirit' and I concur. He was neither red or blue, I felt.He was entirely himself. Whatever that meant.
All the years that gays have put his makeup on, got him dressed. did his hair, were fans. Wendy and Lisa. The women who stood by his side. Remember in purple rain, when he is driving his motorcycle between a bridge one side says Love the other God? Love God. Love yourself. Help as many as you can, do as much as you can for as many as you can. Its that simple. As a straight breeder, this interview bums me out. We should all love each other. Even the carrot soup eating minority. There has got to be something in the bible about eating carrots! (sarcasm) Now does this mean he wont be playing any inagural balls? Love wins. (Seen on bumpersticker) | |
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piepie1976 said: Guess it's not surprising considering he's a J. Hov. Whether or not he views homosexuality as something that should be condemned or if he feels it's a sin to be approached with "hope," he still views homosexuals as sinners. Period.
I just find it odd that a smart man like Prince needs a book written by men (who are very flawed), for a society existing more than 2000 years ago, to tell him the difference between right and wrong. People have used the Bible to deny civil rights to people for CENTURIES. Gays and Lesbians just happen to be that last group of people to deny happiness to and it's SO UNFORTUNATE. You think the role of women in the bible and presence of slaves had nothing to do with societies denying civil rights to women and slaves? Look how far we've come since then. Telling a woman or an African-American that they don't deserve the same civil rights as a white man just seems unfathomable now. I think one day (hopefully soon), we will look back on this time and feel ashamed that we denied millions of people the right to be happy. It's a strange and disappointing realization to make that Prince just isn't that man you look up to anymore (even though many of us had made that realization a loooong time ago). But it's like that moment in your life when you realize your parents aren't the all-knowing and perfect human beings you thought they were. They're just human beings with flaws just like everyone else. I agree 100%! Regardless of the passing of Prop 8, I don't need any religion or government to tell me that my love is not 1st class. One day we will have the same rights as EVERYONE, just not today. Being Gay has so little to do with sex. Even if I never had sex again, I would still consider myself a gay man. My partner and I married in California and got in under the radar (meaning before Prop 8 passed). Society didn't fall apart, people kept living their lives as the day before. I still don't understand the big deal. But...obviously they don't either. If it breaks when it bends, U better not put it in! | |
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"When asked about his perspective on social issues gay marriage, abortion Prince tapped his Bible and said, God came to earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever, and he just cleared it all out. He was, like, ‘Enough.’"
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Reading this article, I couldn't help but think, Thank Jebus I learned long ago to separate my appreciation for Prince's music and talent from any feelings about his personal views or actions. | |
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funksterr said: People get more conservative as they get older, so it's no surprise that Prince has done the same. As for the rest of it, you've got to remember that Prince went to public school, and never had a college level education. He's a bright guy who is interested in a lot of things, but you can't learn everything on the street. I would not be surprised if Prince enrolled in a University. When Prince was at his best, his lyrics were simple and universal to the point that he (and Sting) was the favorite artist of the college students I knew. Since he has tried to educate himself through the Witnesses and general experience, the lyrics are hard to relate to, and he comes off judgemental and ignorant.
Yes, Prince is quite clever. I find it sad how the JWs approached him when he was going through personal and professional hardships. JWs go after the vulnerable. I also get that judgemental, and ignorant tone in his latest lyrics. I wonder though if he would consider applying for higher education in a college or University. To be admitted to a University, he would have to catch up with everyone else. He would have to dedicate considerable time to study. Would Prince put music making on hold for 3 to 4 years? Perhaps, reading books about how to think critically would work for him. | |
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Efan said: Reading this article, I couldn't help but think, Thank Jebus I learned long ago to separate my appreciation for Prince's music and talent from any feelings about his personal views or actions.
 I did likewise. | |
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gyro34 said: funksterr said: People get more conservative as they get older, so it's no surprise that Prince has done the same. As for the rest of it, you've got to remember that Prince went to public school, and never had a college level education. He's a bright guy who is interested in a lot of things, but you can't learn everything on the street. I would not be surprised if Prince enrolled in a University. When Prince was at his best, his lyrics were simple and universal to the point that he (and Sting) was the favorite artist of the college students I knew. Since he has tried to educate himself through the Witnesses and general experience, the lyrics are hard to relate to, and he comes off judgemental and ignorant.
Yes, Prince is quite clever. I find it sad how the JWs approached him when he was going through personal and professional hardships. JWs go after the vulnerable. I also get that judgemental, and ignorant tone in his latest lyrics. I wonder though if he would consider applying for higher education in a college or University. To be admitted to a University, he would have to catch up with everyone else. He would have to dedicate considerable time to study. Would Prince put music making on hold for 3 to 4 years? Perhaps, reading books about how to think critically would work for him. Meaning...if he learns to "think critically," he'll agree with you?  We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: funksterr said: People get more conservative as they get older, so it's no surprise that Prince has done the same. As for the rest of it, you've got to remember that Prince went to public school, and never had a college level education. He's a bright guy who is interested in a lot of things, but you can't learn everything on the street. I would not be surprised if Prince enrolled in a University. When Prince was at his best, his lyrics were simple and universal to the point that he (and Sting) was the favorite artist of the college students I knew. Since he has tried to educate himself through the Witnesses and general experience, the lyrics are hard to relate to, and he comes off judgemental and ignorant.
Please. A university education is just an indoctrination of another sort. Why would he sign up for that? To get a Bachelor's in Marketing, one has to learn how to coerce people to buy things that they don't need and could potentially harm one's health (Coca-Cola's ubiquitouness in fast food restaurants, kids' schools, colleges, universities, movie theaters, concert arenas, and even as far as American-Indian Reservations). | |
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Genesia said: gyro34 said: Yes, Prince is quite clever. I find it sad how the JWs approached him when he was going through personal and professional hardships. JWs go after the vulnerable. I also get that judgemental, and ignorant tone in his latest lyrics. I wonder though if he would consider applying for higher education in a college or University. To be admitted to a University, he would have to catch up with everyone else. He would have to dedicate considerable time to study. Would Prince put music making on hold for 3 to 4 years? Perhaps, reading books about how to think critically would work for him. Meaning...if he learns to "think critically," he'll agree with you? Not really. He's a grown man. Just because I express my opinions in here doesn't mean that he's grabbing a piece of paper and a pen, and taking notes of everything anyone or I say at Prince.Org. | |
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gyro34 said: Genesia said: Please. A university education is just an indoctrination of another sort. Why would he sign up for that? To get a Bachelor's in Marketing, one has to learn how to coerce people to buy things that they don't need and could potentially harm one's health (Coca-Cola's ubiquitouness in fast food restaurants, kids' schools, colleges, universities, movie theaters, concert arenas, and even as far as American-Indian Reservations).That's amusing - but not what I was getting at. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: gyro34 said: To get a Bachelor's in Marketing, one has to learn how to coerce people to buy things that they don't need and could potentially harm one's health (Coca-Cola's ubiquitouness in fast food restaurants, kids' schools, colleges, universities, movie theaters, concert arenas, and even as far as American-Indian Reservations).That's amusing - but not what I was getting at. Are you feeling alright? I am amused by your reply. [Edited 11/17/08 10:30am] | |
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Genesia said: funksterr said: People get more conservative as they get older, so it's no surprise that Prince has done the same. As for the rest of it, you've got to remember that Prince went to public school, and never had a college level education. He's a bright guy who is interested in a lot of things, but you can't learn everything on the street. I would not be surprised if Prince enrolled in a University. When Prince was at his best, his lyrics were simple and universal to the point that he (and Sting) was the favorite artist of the college students I knew. Since he has tried to educate himself through the Witnesses and general experience, the lyrics are hard to relate to, and he comes off judgemental and ignorant.
Please. A university education is just an indoctrination of another sort. Why would he sign up for that?Um... not really. But I'm sure a lot of people would agree with you. I believe Prince has tried to fill holes in his understanding of business, government, culture, etc. through religious doctrine. This has led him to a very narrow perspective and an intolerant view of others. I'm not limiting it to just gays, either. He has said some stuff about Jews that is also uncalled for. College could help the guy. | |
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funksterr said: Genesia said: Please. A university education is just an indoctrination of another sort. Why would he sign up for that?Um... not really. But I'm sure a lot of people would agree with you. I believe Prince has tried to fill holes in his understanding of business, government, culture, etc. through religious doctrine. This has led him to a very narrow perspective and an intolerant view of others. I'm not limiting it to just gays, either. He has said some stuff about Jews that is also uncalled for. College could help the guy. It certainly could. | |
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Prince believes in the Scripture that states that gay is a sin.
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contrapposto said: "When asked about his perspective on social issues gay marriage, abortion Prince tapped his Bible and said, God came to earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever, and he just cleared it all out. He was, like, ‘Enough.’"
its against the law in 13 states what he's gunna do to you. | |
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This interview makes him seem like a shadow. Let's face it, life happens and sometimes we change in ways that we can't help even if we wanted to so you can't really hold it against him but... It makes me hope that as I age I won't grow old, know what I mean? And by the way the ban on Gay Marriage is just WRONG. People who follow the bible and then stick their noses in other peoples bid'nes and try to tell them who they can and can't love are just WRONG. Why be sensitive to those that are insensitive to others? Let gay people get married and leave them the fuck alone. | |
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Dauphin said: The man is a devout christian. Not only that, but he's a Jehovah's Witness. Explain to me where in the Bible it says that it's okay to be gay.
Get over it. Extended rant: He still preaches Love 4 One Another. That means that people he feels are sinner can still be redeemed. IN some weird way, he's doing it out of "love." You might not agree with how he feels sinners can be converted (for example, for gayness he asked Wendy to renounce her homosexuality and accept Jesus as her Lord as saviour before he'd spend time with her). I don't. However, I follow the Golden Rule and respect his choices in life just like I feel others should respect mine so long as they approach me with love in their hearts. I have no reason to believe Prince is anything like the people who have hate and contempt for sinners. I feel he approaches sinners with hope and love. Until I see otherwise, that's the benefit of the doubt I'm willing to give him (and anybody else, to be honest). Pardon me but we are all sinners.... not one of us above the other.... who in God's name and I mean that literally has the right to say who is more or less a sinner than the next person.... but he does it out of love and the kindness of his heart??? "you poor little sinner let me help you find your way" please..... I can see if someone comes to him... but for him to make public statements and act as though he knows anything more than the next person is a real stretch.... he can study what ever book he wants for a lifetime and not two people will have the same interpretation..... so whats up???? Just like his bedroom....religion is private... and he's playing with a loaded gun...one of the "big three"... now he's going into politics...another gun to play with.... he likes it hot..... I have yet to see him beam like he did on all on his own (though married) as he did at the Musicology concerts..... that man has disapeared.... and I miss him terribly..... God forgive me for being so selfish....I just got so much more love and togetherness from him then.... now it's "us and them" and alot of games.....I hope at least he gets a good laugh out of it.... If my beliefs matter as much as his....then I wish him the joy and peace he seemed to have the first time I saw him in person at a concert.... it changed my life....all that joy.....and now my life gets changed again.... this doesn't feel so great.....it's sad for me..... and I feel sad for him, I miss him... the cool guy not the trippy one.I don't feel connected anymore... he's disconnected from all of us in a lot of ways... as I guess he feels for me because I'm not a JW. | |
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union119 said: EmeraldSkies said: but....
is this supposed to mean he has a problem with gay people?  but its against the law in 13 states what he's gunna do to you.What?  Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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Madison88 said: Dauphin said: The man is a devout christian. Not only that, but he's a Jehovah's Witness. Explain to me where in the Bible it says that it's okay to be gay.
Get over it. Extended rant: He still preaches Love 4 One Another. That means that people he feels are sinner can still be redeemed. IN some weird way, he's doing it out of "love." You might not agree with how he feels sinners can be converted (for example, for gayness he asked Wendy to renounce her homosexuality and accept Jesus as her Lord as saviour before he'd spend time with her). I don't. However, I follow the Golden Rule and respect his choices in life just like I feel others should respect mine so long as they approach me with love in their hearts. I have no reason to believe Prince is anything like the people who have hate and contempt for sinners. I feel he approaches sinners with hope and love. Until I see otherwise, that's the benefit of the doubt I'm willing to give him (and anybody else, to be honest). Pardon me but we are all sinners.... not one of us above the other.... who in God's name and I mean that literally has the right to say who is more or less a sinner than the next person.... but he does it out of love and the kindness of his heart??? "you poor little sinner let me help you find your way" please..... I can see if someone comes to him... but for him to make public statements and act as though he knows anything more than the next person is a real stretch.... he can study what ever book he wants for a lifetime and not two people will have the same interpretation..... so whats up???? Just like his bedroom....religion is private... and he's playing with a loaded gun...one of the "big three"... now he's going into politics...another gun to play with.... he likes it hot..... I have yet to see him beam like he did on all on his own (though married) as he did at the Musicology concerts..... that man has disapeared.... and I miss him terribly..... God forgive me for being so selfish....I just got so much more love and togetherness from him then.... now it's "us and them" and alot of games.....I hope at least he gets a good laugh out of it.... If my beliefs matter as much as his....then I wish him the joy and peace he seemed to have the first time I saw him in person at a concert.... it changed my life....all that joy.....and now my life gets changed again.... this doesn't feel so great.....it's sad for me..... and I feel sad for him, I miss him... the cool guy not the trippy one.I don't feel connected anymore... he's disconnected from all of us in a lot of ways... as I guess he feels for me because I'm not a JW. I was going to insert a little rant, but instead I will send you some Happy Sunbeams in hope that you have come to the conclusion that Prince is just a normal guy who can play the shit out of a guitar. I don't see how people's worlds are shattered over these types of things, considering HE DOES THEM ALL THE TIME. Yet, here you are, and there are other people saying the same things. "I can't believe this! I'm so offended! I'm broken hearted!" All I'm saying is that the writing was on the wall. Only now you're choosing to see it as it's being shoved in your face and you don't like it one bit and want to push him away. Odd... that sounds like a character plot for a parent of a child who comes out of the closet to them. Oh the irony. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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funksterr said: Genesia said: Please. A university education is just an indoctrination of another sort. Why would he sign up for that?Um... not really. But I'm sure a lot of people would agree with you. I believe Prince has tried to fill holes in his understanding of business, government, culture, etc. through religious doctrine. This has led him to a very narrow perspective and an intolerant view of others. I'm not limiting it to just gays, either. He has said some stuff about Jews that is also uncalled for. College could help the guy. Depending on the institution of higher learning in question, it certainly is an indoctrination. I went to a university with one of the most radical reputations in the United States, at a time when its radicalism was at its height. I managed to get out of there without swallowing the nonsense that was being spoonfed to students at the time. But many, many more swallowed it whole, more's the pity. At Prince's age, he knows his own mind well enough that college wouldn't be much of a benefit to him. I went back to school as an adult solely because I needed to "play the game" in order to make more money. I wasn't any smarter when I graduated than I was going in. Unless you study something that absolutely requires specific learning (like engineering or law), college is nothing more than a four-year chrysalis for people who are too immature to join the adult world at 18. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Don't JWs believe that if you are not a JW then you won't make it to heaven...or something like that? They believe they are Gods chosen ones, that I have a problem with. That is religion. I hope P isn't being brainwashed. | |
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yea they believe only 144,000 will make it to Paradise. Revelations mentions this number. i guess they take it literally. seems kind silly as the text pre-dates even the barbaric middle ages (midieval times). this text was directed at the people BEFORE the middle ages. doesnt it seem almost DANGEROUS to take it literally?
LizaWoman08 said: Don't JWs believe that if you are not a JW then you won't make it to heaven...or something like that? They believe they are Gods chosen ones, that I have a problem with. That is religion. I hope P isn't being brainwashed. | |
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Dauphin said: Madison88 said: Pardon me but we are all sinners.... not one of us above the other.... who in God's name and I mean that literally has the right to say who is more or less a sinner than the next person.... but he does it out of love and the kindness of his heart??? "you poor little sinner let me help you find your way" please..... I can see if someone comes to him... but for him to make public statements and act as though he knows anything more than the next person is a real stretch.... he can study what ever book he wants for a lifetime and not two people will have the same interpretation..... so whats up???? Just like his bedroom....religion is private... and he's playing with a loaded gun...one of the "big three"... now he's going into politics...another gun to play with.... he likes it hot..... I have yet to see him beam like he did on all on his own (though married) as he did at the Musicology concerts..... that man has disapeared.... and I miss him terribly..... God forgive me for being so selfish....I just got so much more love and togetherness from him then.... now it's "us and them" and alot of games.....I hope at least he gets a good laugh out of it.... If my beliefs matter as much as his....then I wish him the joy and peace he seemed to have the first time I saw him in person at a concert.... it changed my life....all that joy.....and now my life gets changed again.... this doesn't feel so great.....it's sad for me..... and I feel sad for him, I miss him... the cool guy not the trippy one.I don't feel connected anymore... he's disconnected from all of us in a lot of ways... as I guess he feels for me because I'm not a JW. I was going to insert a little rant, but instead I will send you some Happy Sunbeams in hope that you have come to the conclusion that Prince is just a normal guy who can play the shit out of a guitar. I don't see how people's worlds are shattered over these types of things, considering HE DOES THEM ALL THE TIME. Yet, here you are, and there are other people saying the same things. "I can't believe this! I'm so offended! I'm broken hearted!" All I'm saying is that the writing was on the wall. Only now you're choosing to see it as it's being shoved in your face and you don't like it one bit and want to push him away. Odd... that sounds like a character plot for a parent of a child who comes out of the closet to them. Oh the irony. Dauphin: I've been let down plenty just like you.... and I've said plenty about it on here before... it's not the first time and that is my exact point... Just because he may be doing the same thing over and over again as you say... does not make it any more ok now then before.... You sound more like a complaicent abused person....Oh that's just him...he can't help it..... I may have more faith in him than you....oh the irony.... | |
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Madison88 said: Dauphin said: I was going to insert a little rant, but instead I will send you some Happy Sunbeams in hope that you have come to the conclusion that Prince is just a normal guy who can play the shit out of a guitar. I don't see how people's worlds are shattered over these types of things, considering HE DOES THEM ALL THE TIME. Yet, here you are, and there are other people saying the same things. "I can't believe this! I'm so offended! I'm broken hearted!" All I'm saying is that the writing was on the wall. Only now you're choosing to see it as it's being shoved in your face and you don't like it one bit and want to push him away. Odd... that sounds like a character plot for a parent of a child who comes out of the closet to them. Oh the irony. Dauphin: I've been let down plenty just like you.... and I've said plenty about it on here before... it's not the first time and that is my exact point... Just because he may be doing the same thing over and over again as you say... does not make it any more ok now then before.... You sound more like a complaicent abused person....Oh that's just him...he can't help it..... I may have more faith in him than you....oh the irony.... See, comparing something that Prince said to actual abuse is the problem here. Obviously it's a matter of perception. He's a dick. I don't hold him to an almighty standard. He's just some guy who plays music I can really get into. I don't pretend I have any relationship with him other then that. That must be why I'm so complacent with his "abuse" or something amirite? lol -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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piepie1976 said: yea they believe only 144,000 will make it to Paradise. Revelations mentions this number. i guess they take it literally. seems kind silly as the text pre-dates even the barbaric middle ages (midieval times). this text was directed at the people BEFORE the middle ages. doesnt it seem almost DANGEROUS to take it literally?
LizaWoman08 said: Don't JWs believe that if you are not a JW then you won't make it to heaven...or something like that? They believe they are Gods chosen ones, that I have a problem with. That is religion. I hope P isn't being brainwashed. I think its kind of pompous to think they are the only ones going to heaven. The book of revelations is metaphorical you arent supposed to take it litterally. | |
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piepie1976 said: yea they believe only 144,000 will make it to Paradise. Revelations mentions this number. i guess they take it literally. seems kind silly as the text pre-dates even the barbaric middle ages (midieval times). this text was directed at the people BEFORE the middle ages. doesnt it seem almost DANGEROUS to take it literally?
it's literal.. but the thing is.. that 144,000 scripture doesn't apply at all to jehovah witnesses... that's strictly for Jews people only.. 12,000 each of the 12 tribes of Jacob.. literally.. word edit [Edited 11/18/08 1:23am] | |
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Genesia said: funksterr said: Um... not really. But I'm sure a lot of people would agree with you. I believe Prince has tried to fill holes in his understanding of business, government, culture, etc. through religious doctrine. This has led him to a very narrow perspective and an intolerant view of others. I'm not limiting it to just gays, either. He has said some stuff about Jews that is also uncalled for. College could help the guy. Depending on the institution of higher learning in question, it certainly is an indoctrination. I went to a university with one of the most radical reputations in the United States, at a time when its radicalism was at its height. I managed to get out of there without swallowing the nonsense that was being spoonfed to students at the time. But many, many more swallowed it whole, more's the pity. At Prince's age, he knows his own mind well enough that college wouldn't be much of a benefit to him. I went back to school as an adult solely because I needed to "play the game" in order to make more money. I wasn't any smarter when I graduated than I was going in. Unless you study something that absolutely requires specific learning (like engineering or law), college is nothing more than a four-year chrysalis for people who are too immature to join the adult world at 18. I'm feelin ya on the job point, and I agree that professors and institutions are sometimes very biased, but generally speaking, colleges offer a broader viewpoint on the world than the local place of worship. | |
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