syble said: Ugot2shakesumthin said: This has been clear and self evident to everyone in the world, music press and music lovers alike, except a dozen or so fanatics here on sites like this. [Edited 11/11/08 2:59am] I wasnt asking for popular opinion but rather actual musical references that would support the authors idea. at school you are taught to always support an opnion when writing, i think journalists should do the same. The paragraph about the use of the synth gave an insight into the technical side of the song which in turn gave weight to the opinion of the author that the song was 'simplistic' and thus unique compared to its peers. I would like to know to which music the author is referring to when they say prince has had an artisitic decline or are they merely spouting retoric - popular belief. I would be interested if the author was a fan or indeed aware of all princes music since sot. you can hardly call his output artistically declined wether you like it or not. someone who is in artistic decline is someone who cannot create and prince has created tons of music since then. Again its your choice if you like any of of it or not. Do we say that once van gogh stopped painting realistic pictures and moved to his move colourful impressionist art that he was in an artistic decline? simply because it was different? I would guess that his peers thought so but in hindsight we can see that it was his artistic flowering that produced that work. The same can be said of Prince. Once commercial boundaries are lifted artistry can thrive. That is why I am genuinely interested to know to what references the author of that article is thinking of. It is my experience that many journalists have little 'specialist' expertise in the fields they report upon. Many things have been written about prince that have been inaccurate re-workings of the same few facts. I think its a shame you are so closed minded as to asume that i was being 'fammy' without really questioning what you had read and its content and credentials. very well said ..another man's doom is another man's glory. so 4 those that haven't liked his music past the 80's oh well ur loss but don't come on here stating it's fact that he hasn't created great songs since then man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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purplesweat said: Tame said: That is a pretty mean article huh? who cares.
Still searching for the supposed mean-ness...not seeing any... Surely not even a fam like you can deny that his quality began to decline after SOTT? I don't see it that way. His music certainly and undeniably has evolved positively since then. So musically he has not declined, he has become more rounded with a richer sound (The synths have been replaced by live instruments). His popularity declined after SOTT but he re-surged 12 years later and is as much in the limelight now as he was back then. | |
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they've been saying prince declined every album since Dirty Mind, who really cares? I like what i like and don't overanalyze stuff to try to sound smart. Prince has done loads and loads of great work, has he struck out several times? Sure, and so what. If he is an artist in decline then I want someone to show me some more music by artists in decline because maybe I have real bad taste but I like a lot of it. | |
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Well actually my fave Prince period is the 90s 2 be honest. Ofcourse ive only been a fan 4 3 years and was a baby in the late 80s when his "Purple Rain" era was in full swing, Its just cuz Ps music is so diverse and varied, so people will pick out what best suits there personal prefrences. 2 be fair with have so many P albums 2 choose from I dont understand why fans moan I wouldnt go as far as saying his work has declined as i enjoy most of his new material (even if Mr Goodnight was the only song in the world 2 make me cringe ) For example many fans call TRC a masterpiece blah blah blah, I think I must be the only 1 who thinks its a pile of shit...the same goes for Lovesexy (apart from Anna Stesia and I Wish U Heaven wich I love) Also what I first noticed about P was he isnt 1 2 play it safe, I mean seriously u look at the diffrence between his "80s" sound 2 his "Symbol" sound (meaning how diffrent it is) for instance u take U2 for example there albums all sound the same even fucking Stevie Wonders last album A Time 2 Love just sounded like the stuff he was doing in the 80s with ballads like "From The Bottom Of My Heart" and fucking more save the bloddy world songs "A Time 2 Love" Because most artists dont change there sound or style they play it safe after theyve had a hit album cuz they know suckers/fans will pay for the same album..but with diffrent lyrics (like james blunt ) I for 1 think im very fortunate 2 have found P music as I have a song for every mood, every style and every feeling...so Prince for that I thank you and take a [Edited 11/17/08 14:31pm] Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
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Great article.
Its great that a few of you have such high regard for his post 80's work, but the fact remains that the writer’s opinion, fits most people’s opinion. You few may be far more advanced in music intellect than the rest of the human population, with is cool and incredible, But at 50, the book on Prince has already been written but for the final chapter. And unless there is some miraculous turn of events in the next few years, what’s written on that article is the bulk of what that book will say. I think that the last chapter in the Prince book will deal more with his spiritual and political views than music. | |
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violetblues said: Great article.
Its great that a few of you have such high regard for his post 80's work, but the fact remains that the writer’s opinion, fits most people’s opinion. You few may be far more advanced in music intellect than the rest of the human population, with is cool and incredible, But at 50, the book on Prince has already been written but for the final chapter. And unless there is some miraculous turn of events in the next few years, what’s written on that article is the bulk of what that book will say. I think that the last chapter in the Prince book will deal more with his spiritual and political views than music. yes but people are like sheep they copie eachothers dress sense, mannerisms and even opinions like sum kind of whacked out programme....and id like 2 think im an individual for instance in the uk recently we had a radio talk show host (johnthan ross) make a prank call which was very rude on air, his shows very popular and there was hardly no complaints...until it was in the headlines the next day and every1 started jumping on the fucking bandwagon it even went 2 parlament thats how fucking sad its got, like i said sheep BAAAA [Edited 11/17/08 17:54pm] Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
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optimus said: yes but people are like sheep they copie eachothers dress sense, mannerisms and even opinions like sum kind of whacked out programme....and id like 2 think im an individual for instance in the uk recently we had a radio talk show host (johnthan ross) make a prank call which was very rude on air, his shows very popular and there was hardly no complaints...until it was in the headlines the next day and every1 started jumping on the fucking bandwagon it even went 2 parlament thats how fucking sad its got, like i said sheep BAAAA [Edited 11/17/08 17:54pm] Yeah, everything in life is just opinion, from what gets put on store shelves, "do you look fat in those jeans" to when the Supreme Court renders an opinion. most things are based on opinions, like who will be your president or Prime Minister. [Edited 11/17/08 18:02pm] | |
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violetblues said: optimus said: yes but people are like sheep they copie eachothers dress sense, mannerisms and even opinions like sum kind of whacked out programme....and id like 2 think im an individual for instance in the uk recently we had a radio talk show host (johnthan ross) make a prank call which was very rude on air, his shows very popular and there was hardly no complaints...until it was in the headlines the next day and every1 started jumping on the fucking bandwagon it even went 2 parlament thats how fucking sad its got, like i said sheep BAAAA [Edited 11/17/08 17:54pm] Yeah, everything in life is just opinion, from what gets put on store shelves, "do you look fat in those jeans" to when the Supreme Court renders an opinion. yeah ur right man but I think are western culture has got 2 ova opininated which is sad, the whole worlds goin 2 shit...hopefully tho ur new president may be able 2 change a few things...he seems a really cool guy .....well actually that was a bit random ...but its true Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
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optimus said: violetblues said: Yeah, everything in life is just opinion, from what gets put on store shelves, "do you look fat in those jeans" to when the Supreme Court renders an opinion. yeah ur right man but I think are western culture has got 2 ova opininated which is sad, the whole worlds goin 2 shit...hopefully tho ur new president may be able 2 change a few things...he seems a really cool guy .....well actually that was a bit random ...but its true yes he does! | |
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violetblues said: Great article.
Its great that a few of you have such high regard for his post 80's work, but the fact remains that the writer’s opinion, fits most people’s opinion. You few may be far more advanced in music intellect than the rest of the human population, with is cool and incredible, But at 50, the book on Prince has already been written but for the final chapter. And unless there is some miraculous turn of events in the next few years, what’s written on that article is the bulk of what that book will say. I think that the last chapter in the Prince book will deal more with his spiritual and political views than music. If that is a true then I am soooo thankful that I am NOT most people. | |
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Prince is just like every artist ..they rise,hit a peak and then fall. When Prince hit his peak and was on top he was REALLY on top.Prince(not Michael,Madonna,Whitney,U2 or any other big seller)was the leading creative genius in music.Prince didn't set the standard..he WAS the standard of his era.
Of course no one is on top forever..times and thigns change.Prince has changed.He is not going to make the same music he made 20 years ago.And why would he? Not everything he does is going to be golden.However,I think we as fans judge Prince a little too harshly.We do set our standards for him very high..because we know what he can do and want to see him do it. He will give us that perfect lp just once more.We can almost see it.If you take the best songs off of the last 3 lps it would make an almost perfect album.He will give it to us,he will be hailed as a leader in music again,it will sell well,all the recognition,awards and respect he should have gotten years ago will be given to him.....and then he will go.That will be it. | |
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dseann said: If that is a true then I am soooo thankful that I am NOT most people. So am I | |
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dseann said: purplesweat said: Still searching for the supposed mean-ness...not seeing any... Surely not even a fam like you can deny that his quality began to decline after SOTT? I don't see it that way. His music certainly and undeniably has evolved positively since then. So musically he has not declined, he has become more rounded with a richer sound (The synths have been replaced by live instruments). His popularity declined after SOTT but he re-surged 12 years later and is as much in the limelight now as he was back then. Uh...no... | |
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purplesweat said: dseann said: I don't see it that way. His music certainly and undeniably has evolved positively since then. So musically he has not declined, he has become more rounded with a richer sound (The synths have been replaced by live instruments). His popularity declined after SOTT but he re-surged 12 years later and is as much in the limelight now as he was back then. Uh...no... You don't think he's as popular now as he was in the 80's? Shiiiiit! They're even taking pics of him walking through the airport in flip flops and sticking them in every newspaper. Photographers are even mobbing Rhianna because they think she's him then going ... Oh shit, it's just that Umbrella girl. | |
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dseann said: purplesweat said: Uh...no... You don't think he's as popular now as he was in the 80's? Shiiiiit! They're even taking pics of him walking through the airport in flip flops and sticking them in every newspaper. Photographers are even mobbing Rhianna because they think she's him then going ... Oh shit, it's just that Umbrella girl. Photographers take photos of everyone. You don't even have to be famous to have paparazzi after you. Rihanna is quite unusual looking. | |
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dseann said: purplesweat said: Uh...no... You don't think he's as popular now as he was in the 80's? Shiiiiit! They're even taking pics of him walking through the airport in flip flops and sticking them in every newspaper. Photographers are even mobbing Rhianna because they think she's him then going ... Oh shit, it's just that Umbrella girl. Nowhere near... | |
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