Well, I don't know about other people, but let me tell you what I love and hate about this album:

I love the production, it finally sounds like a complete album. The arrangemends are cool. You can also feel a lot of energy in this album. It's got jokes in it, and serious matters too. The performance is perfect.

But, I don't like the feel of preaching. I'm not saying he's pearching, I'm not saying he's not. but it feels like preaching to me.
I don't agree with most of what he's singing. seems like he got stuck in the past, with the subjects he's singing about.

Overall, I like to listen to the album as a musician, but as a person I feel to attraction towards this album.

Tom said:

I'll take that!!! Give it to me as an instrumental cd and I think it would be one of his finests. Solves it for me. Thanks Tom.

whoo hoo! finally. Someone on my side. We must have been separated at birth

Two things I wanted to throw in, you don't have to agree, it's just the way I see things...

1. I think not liking lyrics is not grounds for how an album's music is. But maybe that's just because I find the music itself to be more important. To me, it's a personal problem on the listener if they can't get past the religious lyrics, but then turn around and listen to Eminem and not have a problem with lyrics about raping and killing your mother. I mean that's all well and good, but let's leave the preaching out, ok?

Just enjoy MUSIC!!!

2. tommysoul said:
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The rainbow children sucks except for one or two tracks.

Jazz-fusion music is the enemy. It's done by musicians for other musicians just to show how good they are at their instruments. The occasional glimpses of funk that the album has sounds dated- i.e. the work, everlasting now. I think prince should focus more on writing great songs instead of being so preoccupied with his musicianship. what's up with "the real music by real musicians" bullshit. Prince is at his best when he strips down the arrangements of the songs. He used to be a minimalist now his songs sounds more like "Queen goes funk" than "Sly stone with great melodies" and that's tragic. He should have an implant that gives him an electric shock everytime a solo is too long or the arrangements are too boombastic.

Fire the NPG and hire a drum machine as backing band. That's my advice.
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What? You're scaring me! So basically, you hate real music, but you love plastic-y stuff? Or is it just that you hate hearing music with a lot of different instruments weaved through it because it's too much for your ears to digest? Minimalism is great and has its place, but why do people listen to an orchestra? They aren't there because they wanna hear a solitary flute, you've gotta have the whole crew- that's what gives the experience its power and emotion!

can someone take out all the lyrical content and just make it an instrumental. I will pay you for a copy if you can. What a wonderful idea to get this cd back into my collection.

read yet another positive review:



http://www.undercover.com...ldren.html

Most people just don't understand or is that stand- under the concept of "The Rainbow Children" it really a very positive message about people taking back their power and kickin out the creeps that are running the show.

This album is one of my alltime favorite albums.To me it is a very inspiring piece of work.Prince in in full warrior mode saying to all of us FUCK U this is what I believe and if U dont like it ...I wish U Heaven!

I dont understand the focus of ,"Prince is forcing his religion on me." comments.Prince has ALLWAYS forced his religion on us. Controversy,1999,Purple Rain, Parade,SOTT,Lovesexy,Grafitti Bridge,D&P, ect,ect.
The Rainbow Children is the evolution of Prince from manchild into man. From slavery to freedom.From dispair to hope!

One can only wish that post 20th century music can regain that positive vibe !

SuperiorTe said:

I think a thread like this has been posted about 10 times within the last month. No offense, but you can't force the people who vehemently dislike it to like it. They have issues with its lyrics, those issues stem from the fact that they know Prince is hobknobbing with JW's and the stigma that brings to it. It's ok to "force" sexual explicitness on fans, as Prince has done in the past. And as Jtgillia and and MuleFunk pointed out:

jtgillia said:

muleFunk said:

Why can't i be a grownup and not like it.Dayum!I have to do it this way or there is something wrong.I was made exactly as i am supposed to be.The album SUCKS to me.And it has nothing to do with the lyrics.I don't like the feel or the sound of the album at all

Y oh Y r u people questioning y people don't like this album? Look around u. 1 of the reasons that Prince has such a huge following is because his music is not limited to one sound e.g. Rock, Jazz or Pop. If some people don't dig this album that's cool. It's art. You either like it or hate it. It's a personal thang.

BTW, I LOVE TRC. Bring on the fonk!

Natasha said:

Oh my!

To Supernova & Bambi319,
Well said !

If you dont like the album ,cool .

Many are hating the album because of Prince's JW connections.

jtgillia said:

real music? what is real music? is music only real when played on "real" instruments? Then hip-hop or electronica isn't real music. My point is that I don't like when the musical virtuosity gets in the way of the songwriting. the best songs are often the most simple to play.

tommysoul said:

By saying what you said I guess you must love stuff like NPS or Rave. Yes Prince must be preoccupied ONLY by his muscianship. I'm so fed up with so-called artists who play on 3 chords and criticize Jazz fusion because they simply can't play as well as these musicians can.

And yes TRC is a masterpiece. I think people apprecita eTRC much more in Europe than in the US. Like Miles Davis music for instance.

The musicianship, the arrangements and the songs are absolutely tremendous. Best album by far since Lovesexy.

Funny I was listening to Rondha Smith's interview on the Joe Kelley show saying that they had made a choice with TRC and ONA tour not to please everybody anymore. They want to have fun. And she said they all took the decision to play the music they really like.

So for those who can't stand what Prince is doing right now I guess you will have to move on because it doesn't seem to me that Prince wants to sound too commercial these days.

tommysoul said:

Sorry Tommysoul no offense but it's simply bullshit.

In fact if you take great music from Led Zep, Funkadelic, Sly Stone and others none is really easy to play.

I personnally think that producers and musicians nowadays have a limited knowledge in terms of harmonies. When you listen to the radio you hear people who don't master music completely.

That's why I like Jazz. Not because it is complicated to play but because the harmonies are just fantastic. On TRC Prince shows the musician he is. Maybe many prefer stuff like High or Diamonds and Pearls. That's their right but I'm really mad at people who have a go at musicians for playing music.

Nowadays it's much better to be limited to be respected. Very weird. I can't understand that.

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SuperiorTe said:

Fuck poor taste and judgement, that in itself is judgemental.

To put it simply - People like different things.

I don't like The Rainbow Children. Fine music, but those lyrics make me shudder.

Cloudbuster said:

You probably prefered Prince when he was singing about fucking his own sister. Yeah that made him cool!

Prince lyrics are often irrelevant. He is not Bob Dylan. He is a great great musician.

VINCENT said:

Lyrics are often irrelevant, sure. But not on TRC. They tune me out.

SuperiorTe said:

So,if somebody dislikes an album that YOU think is brilliant,that automatically means they have "poor taste and judgement"?

Thats life some will B pleased some won't, 4 a zillion reasons...nothing new here. U can't please the masses so not everyone will see on point with his music or about anything else in life.

VINCENT said:

I was generalising. of course can a song that has complicated arrangements also be a great song. I love funkadelic, sly stone etc. I don't like NPS or Rave any more than rainbow children. I think prince lost his magic touch many years ago but he still shows an occasional glimpse of his genius once in a while. And I don't have a go at people who are great musicians. I love when people can play. But if I have to choose between listening to superb songwriter who don't sing and play too well (in a professional sense) or a great musician that can't write good songs, I'd choose the songwriter anyday. And in my opinion, prince has lost most of his magic songwriting touch.

tommysoul said:

To my opinion he hasn't lost anything at all. He wants to move on now and explore new stuff. How many greaty musicians have composed the same songs all their career long like a great recipe you use over and over again to seduce your friends.

TRC is (obviously it's only my opinion here mate) the proof that his song writting is intact. Everlasting now, 1+1+1=3, Last December rank with his best work. Muse 2 pharaoh and Mellow are some of his very best ballads ever.

TRC is great. I can, of course, accept that some people don't like it. It all comes down to the individual. As somebody posted further up, as u get older and listen to more music u grow as a music listener and maybe your preferences change. I just think that for some people they might look at this album differently in years to come. I also know that there are some knowledgable music fans here who just don't like it because the production etc. is not to their liking. That's fair enough, that's what discussion is about. I was just trying to get to the bottom of why some people don't like it, I wasn't attacking those individuals!

Was a bit of an emotive title I must admit. But that's standard practice here.

Cheers for all the input, I think I understand better now.

Right, off to report SOMEbody to the moderator.

I think that the Rainbow Children Album is a Compilation to an introduction in a new prince chapter a sample of songs that reflect his new direction. I dont think everything sound complete, it may be long but it doesnt mean that its complete. Adore is complete.. how he plays on some of the ONA live set is a bit more complete. Pink cashmere is complete, Crystal Ball is complete. Cool as the Otherside of the Pillow is complete.I dont think muse 2the pharoh is even close to complete, Im certain prince would agree alot of the songs on this album arent all there. If youread about his earlier endevors and valted music you will find that he says that they are very jazz oriented when he was with wendy and lisa. I expect thet in the comeing albums he may do fewer songs but long ass 20 minute jams (like miles davis). Like Lady cab driver& All the Critics Love you In NY, I think ,I dont know what anyone else thinks but I think that that is acctually one JAZZ oriented song not because of the interlude but because it flows together as a kind of MILES Davis 70 groove that takes you around the world and back.

THATS the kind of growen music I like long deep studies that you have to sit and take it in ,notb cookin or showerin, just sit and listen and get into the trance of the song

THATS the kind of growen music I like long deep studies that you have to sit and take it in ,notb cookin or showerin, just sit and listen and get into the trance of the song

Iam mature, I love music, I've been to many, many concerts in my life, plus I play the piano, and with the exception of a couple of songs, I hate TRC, the lyrics are bad, I can't believe that Prince would ever be stupid enough to show his predjudice towards any group of people.
That voice at the beginning of most of the songs is the most horrible thing he has ever put on a cd.

Muse to the pharoh is boring and stupid
The Mello song is boring
She LOves me for Me is boring

Iam a huge Prince fan and I didn't even purchase this cd.

I can't wait until he releases something new.

I'm more grown up than U.

Seriously, The Rainbow Children is very mature composition and as others have said is a new direction in which Prince has decided to go. Some people have a problem with the lyrics.

I'm a grown-ass woman, dawg!!

TRC