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Reply #30 posted 10/23/08 5:28pm

Anxiety

CNNBREAKINGNEWS said:

MAYBE HE EVEN LIKES IT THAT WE DONT LOOK UP TO HIM THE WAY WE USE TO


i get the same idea, though i think it's a positive sentiment on his part that is kind of challenging to actualize.
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Reply #31 posted 10/23/08 6:17pm

LoyalAndTrue

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Prince is a very smart man. He will always figure out ways 2 put out new music. Who would have ever thought to put a cd in a newspaper but him. I think that explains why he has slowed down his out put lately. Until he figures out new ways to distribute his music. Like how revealing he is with each interview.

yes, and this is an interesting article.
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Reply #32 posted 10/23/08 7:42pm

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"Today, it's not realistic to expect to put out new music and profit from it. There's no point in trying to put new music out there and keep it from being (exploited)," he says.

* I remember when music was free....our country's history was passed down by song and lyric and memory. You can't charge for that and it's priceless... I guess unless you put it on plastic (wax), paper, or cd.....it is truly a material world he lives in. Funny how he uses the word "free" so freely and wants money money money..... how about some "free love"...Some things are worth remembering Prince....I'm gonna buy you some love beads and give them to you (no charge) wink .

"Not by me — never by me. That's someone else who's on the outside looking in."

* Even our own interpretation of ourselves and what and why we do things is basically a guesstimate. We are all outside looking in.


"How old are we really?" asks Prince, who turned 50 in June. "It's about ascension. It's not the other way. There's nothing down about it. Everything is better."

* He's so sweet.... Prince.... ascension- hense the numbers going "up". "Old" isn't a "down" word. You are as alive as the day you were born.....heart



"I look forward to these years where everything is just open sky. I wish this for every artist: freedom

* You have had a lifetime of just open sky... how bout just more of the same....but I like the attitude.... you've come a long way and you have a long way to go.....we all do..(pssst.."it ain't over")..freedom is a choice, not a right and not earned, a gift to yourself every day..like a gift that gets opened at birth and our job on earth here is to never ever let that gift be boxed.


Unrequested free advice and my opinion.... and possibly not at all appreciated.... and I just felt like writing it.... so there.....
In my bratty opinion..... lol

heart

p.s. and yes I know I'm talking to the wind wink
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Reply #33 posted 10/23/08 9:28pm

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That was a cool interview.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #34 posted 10/23/08 10:44pm

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Anxiety said:

"Today, it's not realistic to expect to put out new music and profit from it. There's no point in trying to put new music out there and keep it from being (exploited)," he says.



i think this is just stinkin' thinkin'. sigh

even if the planet earth album didn't burn up the music charts last year, he did profit from the newspaper freebie deal and he did win a grammy for a song from that album. is that not profit?

meanwhile, i don't see anyone trying to exploit any of prince's new music. maybe he means this more on the level of the music industry and less on the level of illegal downloading/bootlegging/trading, etc. - but even if he's talking more on an industry level, the last i recall, prince got the upper hand over the record label with the newspaper distribution deal.

so who's exploiting who? i'm not mad at him, but come on now. he made out pretty good with his last album, i wish he could appreciate and take pride in that fact.


Why should money even matter to him? With as much money as he has, shouldn't he be releasing music for artistic purposes?
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Reply #35 posted 10/24/08 12:53am

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Artists used to tour to promote albums.

Now artists give away albums to promote tours.

Just a different business model.
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Reply #36 posted 10/24/08 1:41am

catwoman555

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"Today, it's not realistic to expect to put out new music and profit from it. There's no point in trying to put new music out there and keep it from being (exploited)," he says.

And he now has disdain for the way the Internet has, in his view, subverted artists' rights.

"The powers that be are abusing the copyright infringement," he says. "You can't sample Steven Spielberg; you don't see his stuff up there, just old tapes of the Ohio Players, who can't afford to defend themselves."

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YEAAAUAAAAA

That means a second vault !!!!!
He is keeping the best for a time that copyrights are protected.....
That's why the production of new music has been slowed down.

Prince.... i am with U on all of this.
I will pay for every new song..

Not all fans have this cheap attitude, to posses everything for free.
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Reply #37 posted 10/24/08 3:40am

Tremolina

Ion said:

Why should money even matter to him? With as much money as he has, shouldn't he be releasing music for artistic purposes?


Money; it's never enough. "Just when you think you have more than enough, it flies away."

I guess Prince got hit hard by the financial crisis. Hence 1999, "party over oops". Oh no wait, because "it ain't over". Oh shoot, yes it is, for his cd's at least. Oh no wait, that isn't over either; he just released a new cd. Yes, but with old songs! nuts
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Reply #38 posted 10/24/08 3:41am

Tremolina

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DakutiusMaximus said:

[url]
"Today, it's not realistic to expect to put out new music and profit from it. There's no point in trying to put new music out there and keep it from being (exploited)," he says.

And he now has disdain for the way the Internet has, in his view, subverted artists' rights.

"The powers that be are abusing the copyright infringement," he says. "You can't sample Steven Spielberg; you don't see his stuff up there, just old tapes of the Ohio Players, who can't afford to defend themselves."

"




YEAAAUAAAAA

That means a second vault !!!!!
He is keeping the best for a time that copyrights are protected.....
That's why the production of new music has been slowed down.

Prince.... i am with U on all of this.
I will pay for every new song..

Not all fans have this cheap attitude, to posses everything for free.


haha, nice dreams.
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Reply #39 posted 10/24/08 4:12am

vivid

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As an example, he points to the 21-night run in London: "I couldn't have sold out 21 nights in London in the peak of my career; it would have been an impossibility," he says.

Is that true?


Yes, it is. The most he did in London before was about 20 nights (Nude Tour) at the Wembley Arena, but that is less than half the size of the O2.
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Reply #40 posted 10/24/08 5:26am

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DakutiusMaximus said:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...WHlZCVEhkF

Prince Continues to Chart His Own Course
By NEKESA MUMBI MOODY, AP Music Writer Nekesa Mumbi Moody

NEW YORK – At a celebration/concert for Prince's new book, late night had turned into early morning, the bar was closing and party organizers were deciding what decorations to pack up first.

But Prince was still on stage — and still captivating the exclusive group of about 200 fans who had gathered in an intimate penthouse loft to hear him perform.

Though he had taken about a two-hour break between sets, Prince was entering hour four in what would become a nearly five-hour musical extravaganza that not only included his own seminal hits like "Purple Rain" and "Little Red Corvette," but also interpretations of music from Jimi Hendrix, the Beatles, The Rolling Stones and even Janet Jackson and India.Arie for good measure. (Fans paid $1,000 for the first jam session and $300 for the second: Proceeds went to charity.)

It's this kind of magic that Prince tried to capture with "21 Nights," a glossy coffee-table book published by Simon & Schuster that documents the glamorous rocker during his record-breaking, 21-night run at London's 02 Arena last year. The book not only steals glimpses of his onstage performances, but also behind-the-scenes moments of the star and his band during the unprecedented concert stint.

"No one had ever sold out 21 nights in a row," said photographer Randee St. Nicholas. "So I thought, 'We should do a book surrounding this point in his life, because this is a great point in his life.'"

While his three-decades-long career has been meticulously chronicled, Prince is quick to point out, "Not by me — never by me. That's someone else who's on the outside looking in." This time, it's Prince — with St. Nicholas — telling the story, through his own frame of reference.

"This was a landmark event," says Prince, sitting on the rooftop with the Manhattan skyline as his backdrop during a break from rehearsals before the evening's musical marathon. "No one believed that it would do what it did. ... Everyone tried to talk me out of it."

Of course, Prince is used to proving skeptics wrong. These days, he's regarded as a pioneer for artists' rights and known for releasing music over the Internet. But when he left his longtime label Warner Bros. nearly two decades ago after a protracted battle over his creative path, and abandoned major record labels to release music on his own, he left everyone — from fans to musician insiders — wondering if he had lost his mind.

In recent years, he has re-linked with major record labels like Sony and Universal Music Group to release his albums, but isn't sure any record is worth putting out in this era of piracy and illegal downloads. Though the book includes a CD, it contains no new songs, just classic hits and other songs from one of his signature jam sessions.

"Today, it's not realistic to expect to put out new music and profit from it. There's no point in trying to put new music out there and keep it from being (exploited)," he says.

And he now has disdain for the way the Internet has, in his view, subverted artists' rights.

"The powers that be are abusing the copyright infringement," he says. "You can't sample Steven Spielberg; you don't see his stuff up there, just old tapes of the Ohio Players, who can't afford to defend themselves."

But while Prince exudes hints of frustration, he's hardly bitter: These days, serenity and good-natured fun seem to be his mantra.

Though he professes shyness, the diminutive artist gives a warm hug as a welcome, and during his show — which had Spike Lee, Anderson Cooper and Dave Chappelle in the audience — he had fans laughing as he cracked jokes throughout (among his more memorable was referring to himself as Rihanna, an allusion to Internet gossip that the statuesque singer had been mistaken for Prince).

St. Nicholas, a longtime friend, says Prince's conversion to the Jehovah's Witness faith several years ago has helped him evolve into a more spiritual person — and a more open one, in comparison with his reputation as a moody recluse. But Prince's public image has never been the real Prince that friends see behind closed doors, she adds.

"He's shy. But he doesn't necessarily hide or shield himself and attempt this mysterious persona that he has," she says of the twice-divorced star.

"You know children? You never know what they are going to do one minute to the next? ... That's very much how he is," she explains. "In a way it's very open, because if you can just hang in that moment with him, and just go for it — you're not worrying about the past."

And at times, Prince isn't even consumed with the present. While he talked about biblical implications to the recent stock market plunge ("that's why I had to bring back this song," he says as his band rehearses "1999" in the background), when it comes to a recent milestone, he's decidedly nonchalant.

"How old are we really?" asks Prince, who turned 50 in June. "It's about ascension. It's not the other way. There's nothing down about it. Everything is better."

As an example, he points to the 21-night run in London: "I couldn't have sold out 21 nights in London in the peak of my career; it would have been an impossibility," he says.

"I look forward to these years where everything is just open sky. I wish this for every artist: freedom."


if prince opened a new decent website and charged 100 dollars per year he could put his music out 2 the fams direct with downloads n the vault n pasley park has thousands of songs unreleased.
if he really cares about us he will look after us...we all bought the 21 nights book n we all love the man regardless.
respect is a 2 way thing...always has been.
WOLFY razz

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i agree, time 2 distribute through his own website again cause i want NEW MUSIC and there is no guarentee that if u go 2 a concert, u'll hear the new music
[Edited 10/24/08 5:30am]
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #41 posted 10/24/08 6:27am

Tremolina

L4OATheOriginal said:

i agree, time 2 distribute through his own website again cause i want NEW MUSIC and there is no guarentee that if u go 2 a concert, u'll hear the new music
[Edited 10/24/08 5:30am]

Yeah I remember the "new" music he rehashed over and over for "only" $100.
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Reply #42 posted 10/24/08 6:48am

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I like that Prince's future is, "Open sky." That's a beautiful drive home. cool
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #43 posted 10/24/08 7:53am

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Tremolina said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

i agree, time 2 distribute through his own website again cause i want NEW MUSIC and there is no guarentee that if u go 2 a concert, u'll hear the new music
[Edited 10/24/08 5:30am]

Yeah I remember the "new" music he rehashed over and over for "only" $100.


rehased?
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #44 posted 10/24/08 7:58am

Tremolina

L4OATheOriginal said:

Tremolina said:


Yeah I remember the "new" music he rehashed over and over for "only" $100.


rehased?

Oh yes.
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Reply #45 posted 10/24/08 8:00am

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Tremolina said:

L4OATheOriginal said:



rehased?

Oh yes.


like what was rehased?
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #46 posted 10/24/08 9:42am

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Interesting article. I think Prince isn't so much concerned about the money aspect of copyright law as he is about the control over how it is used. Prince is a control freak, no news to anyone, and doesn't want to see his music used in ANY form that he doesn't have some sort of control over. Even if it is something as mundane as YouTube, where it is doing no harm and actually exposes people to his music that might otherwise never have heard it, Prince doesn't want it on there because he didn't authorize it. Ultimately, is YouTube really all that different, from a musical perspective, than MTV was in the 80's? The artists weren't making cash off of their videos being played, they were getting free advertising (videos were created for the sole purpose of album promotion). Isn't YouTube ultimately the same thing? Of course it is, and Prince KNOWS this. He just doesn't want anything being done with his music without his express control. He's made comments of late of trying to find some outlet for his music video catalog beyond what is currently available, and that leads me to believe he wants his product out there, just under his watchful eye.

In many ways, it's a shame that he feels the need to keep such a strong grip on these things. I understood when he felt that his master recordings should be in his possession, because that is truly his artwork under someone else's ownership, but I think he has taken this too far. He makes money from his tours and merchandizing now, so why not relax a little with regard to his music. Piracy is a problem, so why not follow in the shoes of Trent Reznor by releasing the music for free on the internet? He has managed to put out albums for free, and still made money because he toured and sold merch. In fact, I think the idea of music being released for free would attract people to his website, where he could sell merch and offer up adspace. I find it rather ironic that, 12 to 13 years after the whole "Gold Experience" uproar, we are now asking Prince to "free the music".

I see his point when he refers to the Ohio Players clips on the internet, but he has to realize that whoever put those clips on YouTube probably aren't making any money off of them either. In all reality, they were probably placed up there by folks who are fans, who just wanted to share this cool stuff with other like-minded individuals. Why should this stuff just rot in a vault somewhere? Shouldn't it be seen by people who remember it fondly? Shouldn't it be put out there for a new generation to discover?

I'm not slamming the guy here, so please don't jump my @$$ thinking I'm a "hater". I just want to see him find a balance when it comes to his creative control issues. The music IS his to do with as he sees fit, but he needs to remember that these songs have touched all our lives as well. It's his company, but we have stock in it. I'm not claiming we are "owed" anything, per se, just that we aren't the enemy here. He really needs to relax a little on this issue (he certainly seems to have chilled in other areas of his life), and start reaching out to his fanbase. The NPGMC was a step in the right direction, but it still could have been so much more. Hopefully, we'll see the man realize that the stress he brings on himself by tryiing to control every aspect of his musical empire just isn't worth it, and start to lighten up.
jedi

Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
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Reply #47 posted 10/24/08 9:46am

JediMaster

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L4OATheOriginal said:

Tremolina said:


Oh yes.


like what was rehased?


Much of the material was widely circulating on bootlegs, and that led to some complaints by subscribers. Personally, my thought on the matter was that if it hadn't been released officially, then it was fair game. The only time I got annoyed was when he posted a remix of "Thieves in the Temple" that had seen wide release on a maxi-single. I think he felt it was "rare", but he should know that the majority of his fan-base already had it. Most of the time, it wasn't true "re-hashes".
jedi

Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
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Reply #48 posted 10/24/08 10:06am

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Anxiety said:




i think this is just stinkin' thinkin'. sigh

even if the planet earth album didn't burn up the music charts last year, he did profit from the newspaper freebie deal and he did win a grammy for a song from that album. is that not profit?

meanwhile, i don't see anyone trying to exploit any of prince's new music. maybe he means this more on the level of the music industry and less on the level of illegal downloading/bootlegging/trading, etc. - but even if he's talking more on an industry level, the last i recall, prince got the upper hand over the record label with the newspaper distribution deal.

so who's exploiting who? i'm not mad at him, but come on now. he made out pretty good with his last album, i wish he could appreciate and take pride in that fact.


What I got out of that is the money in music is to be made in performing, i.e. touring.

So tour!


Hopefully that's all he meant. I think an artist would want people to hear the music and not be concerned about the inevitible exploitation. We've been taping albums since I was born, it's nothing new. And my guess is you CAN illegally download Steven Spielberg's movies!

But hopefully he's only talking business. I'd hate to think the only reason he releases music at all is to profit from it.
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Reply #49 posted 10/24/08 10:39am

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JediMaster said:

L4OATheOriginal said:



like what was rehased?


Much of the material was widely circulating on bootlegs, and that led to some complaints by subscribers. Personally, my thought on the matter was that if it hadn't been released officially, then it was fair game. The only time I got annoyed was when he posted a remix of "Thieves in the Temple" that had seen wide release on a maxi-single. I think he felt it was "rare", but he should know that the majority of his fan-base already had it. Most of the time, it wasn't true "re-hashes".



u mean u didn't like that disclaimer in front of horny pony? big grin

but i c ur point and the only song that was bootlegged 4 a while was both mad and funky design as far as i can remember
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #50 posted 10/24/08 11:52am

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L4OATheOriginal said:

JediMaster said:



Much of the material was widely circulating on bootlegs, and that led to some complaints by subscribers. Personally, my thought on the matter was that if it hadn't been released officially, then it was fair game. The only time I got annoyed was when he posted a remix of "Thieves in the Temple" that had seen wide release on a maxi-single. I think he felt it was "rare", but he should know that the majority of his fan-base already had it. Most of the time, it wasn't true "re-hashes".



u mean u didn't like that disclaimer in front of horny pony? big grin

but i c ur point and the only song that was bootlegged 4 a while was both mad and funky design as far as i can remember


Oh, I forgot about "Horny Pony" being on there as well! Yeah, that one also annoyed me.

"Mad", "Funky Design" and some of the "Undertaker" session songs were released on the NPGMC that had previously been circulating on bootleg. There was also some live stuff. Still, the vast majority of it WAS new music, or stuff that had been on sub-standard bootleg.
jedi

Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
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Reply #51 posted 10/24/08 4:18pm

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It's sad to see how money motivated Prince is. He's got enough money to last a lifetime.
“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #52 posted 10/24/08 9:41pm

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I just got this email based on the same interview as above:


I like how they summed up the interview at this link... He sounds much more humble and sweet...very well done...



PRINCE ACHIEVED THE IMPOSSIBLE WITH LONDON RESIDENCY


breakingnews@contactmusic.com


show details 9:02 PM (3 hours ago)


PRINCE ACHIEVED THE IMPOSSIBLE WITH LONDON RESIDENCY.... to read on click
on the link below
(If the link doesn't work, please copy and paste the URL in your web
browser)

URL to article:
http://www.contactmusic.c...cy_1084639
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Reply #53 posted 10/24/08 10:52pm

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he's more focused on distribution now than the music which is why he's been more of a genuis in the marketing of lackluster albums than creating an inspired, cohesive album.He's been putting the cart before the horse for a long time now, i just wish he could record something undeniably great and THEN go about changing the game. That way his arguments would be more amplified and could reach the next generation of artist. Without the great shit, it sounds like sour grapes, when he points to his wallet it only destracts us and he's now having to compensate for the fact that it's been nearly 20 years since the last great prince album.
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Reply #54 posted 10/24/08 11:10pm

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great interview!

Surely you're not serious? eek

I guess you've never read a real insiteful interview then? It was the floss equivalent of a bit of dribble in a womens magazine.

The complete dumbing down of the public appears to be working
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Reply #55 posted 10/25/08 3:49am

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In all this 21 nights story I'm missing the key element for its success: the price of the ticket. No mention of it.

He wouldn't have sold out 21 nights in London at nowaydays very expensive standard prices.

There was no room for doubting about going or not. Summer time in London, ... it was just too cheap to be rejected.
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Reply #56 posted 10/25/08 7:08am

midnightmover

FlamingRaindrop said:

WisdomNLove said:

great interview!

Surely you're not serious? eek

I guess you've never read a real insiteful interview then? It was the floss equivalent of a bit of dribble in a womens magazine.

The complete dumbing down of the public appears to be working

nod Prince is far too defensive and distant to really give interesting interviews. The best you can hope for with a Prince interview is that he might drop a few interesting tidbits by mistake. But his ego is usually far too oppressive to make you sympathise much with him.
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“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #57 posted 10/25/08 9:04am

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wouldn't it b great that if a interviewer really asked the questions from a fan's point of view?
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #58 posted 10/25/08 9:24am

catwoman555

Tremolina said:

catwoman555 said:





YEAAAUAAAAA

That means a second vault !!!!!
He is keeping the best for a time that copyrights are protected.....
That's why the production of new music has been slowed down.

Prince.... i am with U on all of this.
I will pay for every new song..

Not all fans have this cheap attitude, to posses everything for free.


haha, nice dreams.



Why does everybody thinks Prince owns a lot of money??
Candy Dulfer lives near to me, and i know from herself that Prince is a very
good payer too other artist. She never could earn that kind of money from any other record company or other celebrity.

Prince spent it well, but with a good reason
wink
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Reply #59 posted 10/25/08 12:21pm

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Prince doesn't really get downloaded as much as younger artists. He is just sour because he no longer has huge hits. Better that he make great art and let the chips fall as they might.

He also gave the impression that he may not release music for a long time.

This may be good, especially on hearing the awful Indigo Nights, that thankfully I never paid for. haha.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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