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Thread started 10/12/08 6:46am

darkknight10

Prince should release outtakes from now on

i think Prince should quit putting out new music for a while & just release songs from the VAULT,especially 80's stuff/
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Reply #1 posted 10/12/08 8:05am

HamsterHuey

I find this too revolutionary to even mention.
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Reply #2 posted 10/12/08 8:28am

optimus

Hmmmmm howz about no he shouldnt cuz i actually love Musicology and 3121, Planet Earth was ok, I certainley dont want 2 hear another Vault album cuz that 1 was a bit poo and i figure he obvioulsy hasnt released that stuff 4 a reason most probably cuz its shit!
Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants salvation of the soul
The steps U take are no easy road
But the reward is great
4 those who want 2 go
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Reply #3 posted 10/12/08 8:35am

HamsterHuey

optimus said:

I certainley dont want 2 hear another Vault album cuz that 1 was a bit poo


I hope you are not talking about the released compilation album Crystal Ball, cuz that one was, even though a bit all over the place, quite fun.

The Vault Old Friends 4 Sale was a big let down, butr had some great tunes on there; I love Sarah, When The Lights Go Down, She Spoke 2 Me (extended) and Extraoridnary.

I also love his deep voice on There Is Lonely. And It's About That Walk is rather fun, even though forgetable for the rest.
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Reply #4 posted 10/12/08 8:47am

funksterr

Yep. Just release outtakes and DVD's. And quit touring. Same old thing over and over. Same band that nobody cares about. Prince playing covers of disco tunes. Enough.

Where is your pride Prince?

Come back out when you've got something to say. Don't just hang around as a nostalgia act. Stop releasing albums just because it's a new year.
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Reply #5 posted 10/12/08 9:18am

darkknight10

i loved CRYSTAL BALL, its my favorite album, u cant beat Acknowledge Me,Hide the Bone, and others. The Vault CD was crap,...just think of watelse is in his VAULT,plus theres a lot of songs that are ciculating that need 2 b heard in clear quality like "Shes just a Baby" & "Extra Loveable".
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Reply #6 posted 10/12/08 9:36am

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Prince should not hang around conservative people (creatively conservative as well) and needs to hang around crazy creative people that argue with him. Then he needs to make new music designed to shock and impress his way out there friends.

He could make brand new music that is very interesting.

He needs to avoid hanging around technically proficient musicians that have NO spark of originality or creativity.
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Reply #7 posted 10/12/08 9:37am

HamsterHuey

I admit there is a long list of unreleased material that is too genius to just gather dust in the corners of Prince's mind and basement. But I do not see how releasing that material should void him releasing recent material or performing.

If you are not interested in his latest material or seeing him live, just don't buy it or stop going to his concerts. In my opinion, it's Prince's fans that should retire if that's the case; let Prince just do what he does, even though, to you, it might not be up to par. Just a case of live and let live.

Of course, Prince going off in a direction we do not like means we can moan here on Org, I will give you that. But do not think that means he should stop or something, we all know Prince is something of a machine when it comes to performing/recording/making music. I suppose it's a force of nature.
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Reply #8 posted 10/12/08 9:55am

Dave1992

hed never do that, its his past - he doesnt care about his past. plus he wasnt a JW back then, so it doesnt make sense 2 him, its bad bad bad music, because he used 2 say "fuck", remember?
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Reply #9 posted 10/12/08 10:01am

HamsterHuey

Dave1992 said:

hed never do that, its his past - he doesnt care about his past. plus he wasnt a JW back then, so it doesnt make sense 2 him, its bad bad bad music, because he used 2 say "fuck", remember?


I would really detest edited versions of songs. I would not be able to really enjoy Extra Loveable without the color=violet]"I'm sorry, but I'm just gonna have 2 rape U. Now are U going 2 get into the tub or do I have 2 drag U?"[/color]-part.
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Reply #10 posted 10/12/08 6:19pm

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Man, I wish he'd throw it into reverse and crawl back over that hill he climbed and start cursing like a drunken, riled sailor just once.

I think the only way we'll hear Prince curse now is if he's walking along and the heel pops off his shoe and he busts his booty or something.

I want some of that dirty, nasty, scary, gritty, pervert in the bushes old school Prince music I like. Back when he LOOKED like a pervert in the trench with the wild hair...y'all remember that? You know, just for nostalgia's sake. lol

I miss that combination of being in love and scared shitless at the same time by him.
I love a Man who:
Wears More Make Up Than Me.
Wears Four Inch Stilleto Boots.
Changes His Name To An Unpronouncable Symbol.
Who Changes His Name Back From An Unpronouncable Symbol.
Oh And Most Importantly, Who Is Sexy Little Drop Of Butterscotch
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Reply #11 posted 10/13/08 5:59am

Dave1992

oh yes. on one hand it seems so superficial and unimportant because the actual reason we love him 4 is his music, but then again i think the sound of some words ("uuuh i wanna.. i wanna.. i wanna.. i wanna FUCK u") makes the music more interesting again razz and, 2 b honest, it was also his shocking side that made us love him so much, wasnt it?

i do respect and also like him the way he is now. but i just cant identify with the prince nowadays that much. i dont believe in god, although i do understand why some people do and religion is important, but then again what does god have 2 do with swearing just 2 give one example..?

the purple rain prince and the gold experience prince were the ones i can identify with the most. especially TGE, he was so fucking free back then... and u could hear that in his music.. DAMN!
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Reply #12 posted 10/13/08 6:35am

SoulAlive

darkknight10 said:

i think Prince should quit putting out new music for a while & just release songs from the VAULT,especially 80's stuff/


I would have no problem with this lol
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Reply #13 posted 10/13/08 6:58am

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Right now, I'm more interested in seeing the 70s and 80s unreleased material released than a new album.

I'm still interested in Prince's new recordings, but if there was a new album being released along side an album of untouched 80s unreleased tracks, it's the latter I'd be more excited about buying - I'd get both of course.
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Reply #14 posted 10/13/08 7:06am

HamsterHuey

NouveauDance said:

an album of untouched 80s unreleased tracks.


Remember The Crist? Spirituality? MFer edited out of the Rebirth Of The Flesh rehearsel?

There's no fucking chance Prince would ever release them jams untouched. He would screw them over to fit his current mindset. Alas.
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Reply #15 posted 10/13/08 7:09am

Dave1992

on the other hand, if he was THAT sure of the present and the way he deals with music and him saying he doesnt need/live in the past, why didnt he burn all those "bad" tracks from the vault then? why does he still keep them?
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Reply #16 posted 10/13/08 11:16am

Dayclear

"Stop telling him what you want him to do".
[Edited 10/13/08 11:17am]
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Reply #17 posted 10/13/08 11:21am

NouveauDance

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Dayclear said:

"Stop telling him what you want him to do".

Stop telling us to stop telling him what to do!
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Reply #18 posted 10/13/08 11:57am

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NouveauDance said:

Dayclear said:

"Stop telling him what you want him to do".

Stop telling us to stop telling him what to do!



there r plenty of folks on here and other sites that need 2 read what u wrote. nod

as 4 the topic i say release it all from all periods
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #19 posted 10/13/08 12:05pm

kevina51

He should do what Dylan does with The Bootleg Series - release new stuff alongside collections of older material - vault stuff, live, rehearsal etc.
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Reply #20 posted 10/13/08 12:42pm

HamsterHuey

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[Edited 10/13/08 12:42pm]
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Reply #21 posted 10/13/08 12:43pm

HamsterHuey

NouveauDance said:

Dayclear said:

"Stop telling him what you want him to do".

Stop telling us to stop telling him what to do!


Purrrr
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Reply #22 posted 10/13/08 1:01pm

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funksterr said:

quit touring. Same old thing over and over. Same band that nobody cares about.


People need reminding, P played over 150 songs in London last year. He jammed with Group Fantasma, he rocked in a trio, he changed his set every night, often performing twice. We don't hear James Brown talked down, & he did the same show for 25 years. It was great show, but the same show. Sly Stone is funk royalty, yet he treated his fans like dirt.

People seem to forget, that all Prince tours have had a basic set list. How much variation was there in the Controversy Tour, or Parade, or LoveSexy etc. If anything he's varying it more now - the difference is that people have the bootlegs and are listing to several shows of a tour before they go to a concert. It is too much to expect 21 shows + aftershows to all have a different setlist, different staging and different choreography. The question is, when did you last go to a Prince show and not enjoy it? Prince has consistently raised the stakes. Last summer in London, many people went to see Prince, who wouldn't normally - they were blown away. I was told several times that people thought I was mad being a Prince fan, but wow, that was the best concert they EVER saw, better than they believed possible.

I believe Prince is greatest performer of my lifetime, and one of the most original artists of all time. Not every track will redefine music, but Prince's body of work and stage craft have.
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Reply #23 posted 10/13/08 1:07pm

HamsterHuey

andymacfunky said:

funksterr said:

quit touring. Same old thing over and over. Same band that nobody cares about.


People need reminding, P played over 150 songs in London last year. He jammed with Group Fantasma, he rocked in a trio, he changed his set every night, often performing twice. We don't hear James Brown talked down, & he did the same show for 25 years. It was great show, but the same show. Sly Stone is funk royalty, yet he treated his fans like dirt.

People seem to forget, that all Prince tours have had a basic set list. How much variation was there in the Controversy Tour, or Parade, or LoveSexy etc. If anything he's varying it more now - the difference is that people have the bootlegs and are listing to several shows of a tour before they go to a concert. It is too much to expect 21 shows + aftershows to all have a different setlist, different staging and different choreography. The question is, when did you last go to a Prince show and not enjoy it? Prince has consistently raised the stakes. Last summer in London, many people went to see Prince, who wouldn't normally - they were blown away. I was told several times that people thought I was mad being a Prince fan, but wow, that was the best concert they EVER saw, better than they believed possible.

I believe Prince is greatest performer of my lifetime, and one of the most original artists of all time. Not every track will redefine music, but Prince's body of work and stage craft have.


All valid points, except that there was alot of moaning about James Brown's career as well, except there was no internet. People thought he had gone 'Vegas'. Sly got booed in the UK last year and righteously so.

SO true on the being spoilt part; Prince gave alot of people a great time last year and most were just 'hits'-fans, so to speak, not die hard fans.
To some die hard fans, including me, it all felt sugary commercial and a bit automated on part of the experiencing of the music. It did not impress musically or artistically.

And his body of work will never redefine music, but he certainly influences alot of different people.
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Reply #24 posted 10/13/08 1:36pm

andymacfunky

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HamsterHuey, I can see what you're saying, but I liked to the O2 shows, but always thought the Indigo was where it was truely at (when the man showed).
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Reply #25 posted 10/13/08 1:53pm

jstar69

He wouldnt even get that far, cuz it would probably be a big JW no-no just to listen to them - heaven forbid!!!!!

HamsterHuey said:

NouveauDance said:

an album of untouched 80s unreleased tracks.


Remember The Crist? Spirituality? MFer edited out of the Rebirth Of The Flesh rehearsel?

There's no fucking chance Prince would ever release them jams untouched. He would screw them over to fit his current mindset. Alas.
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Reply #26 posted 10/13/08 1:55pm

jstar69

Dont be sure he hasnt burnt them

Dave1992 said:

on the other hand, if he was THAT sure of the present and the way he deals with music and him saying he doesnt need/live in the past, why didnt he burn all those "bad" tracks from the vault then? why does he still keep them?
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Reply #27 posted 10/14/08 9:46am

funksterr

andymacfunky said:

funksterr said:

quit touring. Same old thing over and over. Same band that nobody cares about.


People need reminding, P played over 150 songs in London last year. He jammed with Group Fantasma, he rocked in a trio, he changed his set every night, often performing twice. We don't hear James Brown talked down, & he did the same show for 25 years. It was great show, but the same show. Sly Stone is funk royalty, yet he treated his fans like dirt.

People seem to forget, that all Prince tours have had a basic set list. How much variation was there in the Controversy Tour, or Parade, or LoveSexy etc. If anything he's varying it more now - the difference is that people have the bootlegs and are listing to several shows of a tour before they go to a concert. It is too much to expect 21 shows + aftershows to all have a different setlist, different staging and different choreography. The question is, when did you last go to a Prince show and not enjoy it? Prince has consistently raised the stakes. Last summer in London, many people went to see Prince, who wouldn't normally - they were blown away. I was told several times that people thought I was mad being a Prince fan, but wow, that was the best concert they EVER saw, better than they believed possible.

I believe Prince is greatest performer of my lifetime, and one of the most original artists of all time. Not every track will redefine music, but Prince's body of work and stage craft have.


With all respect to JB, he is from a differnent generation of entertainers. The business was different then. Not that JB isn't kick ass, of course he is, but Prince is more versatile, and his music goes places JB never could have dreamed of. The expectations of Prince are high. But dude, is coasting on reputation.

My point about the band is that I am bored with the lineup. Josh, Cora, Hayes and the rest of the Bland Band, seem out of place to me doin the hits. I want to hear the Revolution or Andre Cymone, Dez, Fink, you' know? I don't ever want to hear Prince play a cover of anybody else's song. I don't care about that. That's so old school showbiz gimmicky it ain't even funny. Eric Benet does that. Every half-ass, no talent R&B entertainer throws in a classic back-in-the-day cut to hype the crowd because they can't deliver jams for a full show. Prince used to be better than that.

And I still say he should retire. I don't believe his heart is in music anymore. I believe he is a deeply spiritual man who is in the process of a lot of soul searching and he's uncomfortable in the music biz at this point in his life. I think he's done his thing. He should step away from the spotlight, pursue his spiritual journey and release outtakes and DVD's from now on. Yeah I know, Prince still has something left in the tank, and that even the worst Prince cd or concert is better than a lot of other artists best work. But he is not up to his own standards at this point, it shows, and he could better satisfy his fan base and continue to rake in the dollars, by giving us the really good stuff from the 80's and 90's, that he didn't have the ability to release under Warners.
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Reply #28 posted 10/14/08 11:12am

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I don't know if the some songs would sound the same if released. All clean and polished in all. Like Sexual Suicide for example. The original version sounds so much better than the cleaned up, polished version on CB. He added backround vocals and other things to it.Screwd up the song. So im glad I have the orignal.
Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U.
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