Darwintheorgangrinder said:

Darwin I'm not claiming 2 speak from any higher moral ground, altho I can understand it may seem that way. I've read the Bible, and no, and I am not an adherent. I'm merely kickin the facts, and as an older and matured fan of his music, posted this 'observation' 2 open up a discussion.

The moral fibre of society in general has been deteriorating steadily over time, and as time goes on it does seem 2 b getting worse. I think it's fair 2 say that music and the media in general play a pivotal role in shaping modern society, and Prince has certainly played a large part in that, no?

DesireeNevermind said:

Ur so spot on Des, altho I really do feel Prince is at a point in his life where he does take responsibility 4 his own actions.
'Sorry' would have 2 b the worst word in any language. True love means neva having 2 say ur 'sorry'... He cannot undo the corruption or take it back. So many years have gone by, and even 2day his music and the imagery we speak of floats and finds its way round the globe doin the xact same thing, altho it does seem 2 pale in comparison 2 the 'artists' and 'music' of 2day.
Could that b part of the reason 4 his attack on youtube and the like?
The onus is on us as individuals 2 right the wrong.

sexyAuntyFuka said:

I was gonna welcome u 2 the discussion, but saarcasim is the lowest 4m of wit.

nurseV said:

Wow Nurse that's amazing. 'Do Me Baby' is what made me a fan as well altho, I was a lil older
I don't know if 'his way was a good way'. I mean, sincerely wanting 2 fuck the taste out of some1's mouth is...questionable @ least..
He took it outta the back seat and put it under the headlights so 2 speak.

Efan said:

Ok take Prince out of the equation and look at the lyrics and music of 2day, gangster rap and the sort... Violence, abuse, the degradation of women, among other things... Do u find that 'enlightening'?
I mean alotta that stuff is 'new' 2 me, but far from what I'd call 'enlightening', and the most important thing of all is that I'm beyond my 4mative years and not as eaily influenced.. Sadly alot of folks r not.

meow85 said:

It really is a matter of opinion... and it's tricky.

I think it's kinda cute how alot of die hard fans, now grown men and women, come running 2 Prince's defence. there's really no need guys, he has defence lawyers on his payroll as we're all well aware..
I guess it makes 1 feel a little better about themselves claiming it's not that bad.

chillichocaholic said:

It's no conspiracy or theory... merely an opinion.

"In a word or 2 - its u I wanna do
No not cha body, yo mind u fool..."

LizaWoman08 said:

I'm sure there r many similar examples... Just look at all these 'emo' kids...

union119 said:

Hey uni. I'm well, thanks 4 asking.

viewaskew said:

Prince is 'tame' now in comparison. Agreed.

mozfonky said:

I sincerely hope that kinda behaviour hurts nobody but u, given u claim 2 b such a glutton 4 punishment, altho I'm not entirely sure. The power of hindsight is an amazing thing, and perhaps in a few years time u may well c things a lil differently.

diana7777 said:

Prince was and still is a rebel, no doubt. Was it his aim 2 corrupt? Not 4 me 2 say.
I think he realised early on that his 'art' had enormous power, and he did and still does continue 2 take full advantage of that.

MrBiGsTuFf said:

And that's the song that turned me in2 a Prince fan when I was 12 years old, back in 1992.
That's what I call a good start. He was very different then, and I was a very shy guy, so the effect was pretty shocking to me. But U know what? I love it.
I wouldn't call it corruption, Mr. Big Stuff, corruption is a very dangerous thing, and Prince has always been far from being corruptive.
What Prince built with his sexual treatment through music, I would define a pretty fine incentive to search for freedom. Prince helped me to feel free in a certain way. Well, not only him, but he played a good part.

Freedom, I can't think of another word when I listen to his earlier works. Lyrically speaking.

Sophianestesia said:

I'd like 2 respectfully disagree. Corruption is corruption.
4 some, like ur good self, Prince's persona and music may've been the catalyst in 1's search 4 'freedom' or 'emancipation' and that may well have been a positive effect, but I think it's also fair 2 say that 4 some others, it may well've been just as if not more destructive.

MrBiGsTuFf said:

So the matter is, to say, subjective?

Tame said:

U go girl!! I feel the sameway.

MrBiGsTuFf said:

I completely agree. It's actually quite disgusting if you ask me. Sex is so common place, its not taboo anymore. Everywhere you go you can find something that has to do with sex. The internet is the worst place. I can't even go on a specific website without getting some pop up add about viagra or something of the like. I can't even turn on TV without seeing a commercial for male enhancement or a contraceptive pill for women. 10 years ago you would never have seen commercials for those things. You don't think that aids into teens having sex at like 12 or 13 years old? It was bad 10 years ago, but you have to agree its gotten so much worse. And we wonder why so many teens are getting pregnant, STDs are on the rise, adultry and divorce rates are at the highest ever. If you don't think music and tv has any thing to do with that you are delusioned. I mean look at when Madonna came out in the 80s, how many girls ran around dressed up like her? If thats not being an influence on someone's mind I don't know what is. Music has so much power. In this country we put pop stars or rock stars on a pedastool and idolize them. Kinda like ancient Rome with the god and godesses. It's really no different now, its more subtle. I mean, you don't think thousands of screaming girls and guys running after Michael Jackson's limo beating on the windows, fainting, passing out, screaming and crying hysterically isn't some form of idol worship? All I'm saying is that music has that kind of power.

MrBiGsTuFf said:

haha, i ain't done nothing worse than prince has done and probably not nearly as much. He's my idol, he'd be proud of my perversity. If i did anything that bad, i wouldn't be able to write on a website, i'd be locked up. Sex is spiritual and the peak of existence, i'm always suspicious of prudes and think the repression causes all kinds of strange behavior.

MrBiGsTuFf said:

Your argument doesn't make sense to me. You say Prince corrupted millions of minds, and now you want me to take Prince out of the equation? I don't think you're really serious with this topic at all and maybe you're just trying to take the piss. Anyway, the gangsta rap example is silly.

MrBiGsTuFf said:

1. I am not sure if Prince is trying to "take it all back." In many interviews they have asked him about his naughty past and he's always framed it in terms of his lyrics and his onstage antics being right for the time, and right for where he was then.

Sure, nowadays he edits many of his old lyrics, again, Prince says it's because he is in a different place. Never, do you hear Prince try to apologize or defend what he did or didn't do in his past. If anything, he states that he isn't a "rude boy" anymore, not simply because of morality, but because it's boring. Being "shocking" is not shocking when everyone else is doing it.

Bottom Line: In many interviews Prince says he doesn't push the rude button now, for the very same reason he did push it then...to be different.

2. Every older generation thinks that the younger is being corrupted by music and pop culture. It's a classic case of bitching about "kids these days..."
[Edited 9/29/08 9:06am]

MrBiGsTuFf said:

You might be onto something there. It can't just be about money and ownership cuz Prince has that already.

Prince could only corrupt the minds of those who agreed to be corrupted. The agreement can be broken at any time.

LizaWoman08 said:

You left out the hormones in the fast food making kids develop faster than they did 10-15 years ago. The music enhanced by the visual imagery, e.g. videos, magazines, posters, highly influences a teens mind. Kids are like sponges, they take everything in even if they can't adequately process it all. I stopped smoking years ago when I caught my 2 year old cousin trying to light up a cigarette.

Music definitely has power but I do think it will be hard for Prince to compete in today's market without any kind of sexual subtlety and not come off looking like a retired blues singer. I'm not saying he has to maintain the same level of nastiness he did in decades past (bikini briefs, ass out pants and songs like Come) but he ought to leave in the sex and romance like we hear on his ballads and keep looking as fine as he does. I dig the pimp suits and the lyrics to Turn Me Loose are sexy enough.
The damage is done Princey, don't sink - stay afloat.

I wasn't corrupted by P at all. However if he fancies a little bit of corruption now, here I am baby!

MrBiGsTuFf said:

yeah we all know people were not having premaritial sex untill Prince and his "devil music" cam along lol

whats up with the org today?

Baylana said:

I find early, nasty Prince quite liberating. If that's corrupting than corrupt away. I think this whole Jehovah's Witness power-christian thing he's on is actually tragic. Thankfully, his early music will live beyond his new conservative persona.

i blame prince~! OH yeah! all these years . . all those moments i spent....
tracking down the whereabouts of my missing socks from the laundry.... and all this time prince had them~! i ain't forgettin' this anytime soon, prince. you'd best be sending me some replacement socks PRONTO!!!!!

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