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Reply #60 posted 09/29/08 4:13pm

optimus

tricky99 said:

meow85 said:


So instead of releasing the mindblowing goodness and at least trying to shut us up, he should just continue the half-assery he's working now, since some of us would complain no matter what?

That doesn't make any sense.


It makes perfect sense. A person can only fight uphill for so long before they say fuck it. Prince knows that whatever he puts out will be highly critized so those songs that are dearest to his heart (the ones he feels are intensely personal or musically moving for him) are hard for him to let go. Its like releasing your children on the world only for your friends to say how ugly the children are.

Prince is an artist and human he feels negativity like anyone else. He has stated it many times in songs but u crackheads don't get it.

listen to "pearls before the swine" or "dolphin" or "why should I do that when I can do this". Shit go back and listen to "billy jack bitch" or "hello"...cruel words.

If he disapoints u it would be better for u to move on to music that excites rather then shitting on his children. Some of u have no manners.


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Reply #61 posted 09/29/08 7:52pm

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TRC, Prince's last innovative work.
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Reply #62 posted 09/29/08 9:07pm

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funksterr said:

Leave the weak James Brown rehashes to the bar bands, dude. You used to be capable of so much better than this. Will you ever again focus on songwriting?
Prince used to be Sexy MF, now he should be called Lazy MF. Dude, is way too overconfident these days.


My question for Prince is... where are the real songs? Do you even write any real songs anymore? You don't have a job, so you have lots of free time. Do you really need Wendy & Lisa around to write your songs for you? Seriously dude. I think that Prince is not a good creator -- he's good at taking other people's ideas and fleshing them out into something different. Now that he doesn't hang with any real musicians, or give any of his band members any input, you get to see Prince's limited songwriting ability, maturity, and range as a musician. How can he write music that more mature when he's 27 (ATWIAD and PARADE) than he can at 50 (TURN ME LOOSE)? He's either lost it, or the group of musicians around him back then were much higher quality and had a lot more input. I really think Prince blew it. I think he knows this too.
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Reply #63 posted 09/30/08 12:19am

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tricky99 said:

meow85 said:


So instead of releasing the mindblowing goodness and at least trying to shut us up, he should just continue the half-assery he's working now, since some of us would complain no matter what?

That doesn't make any sense.


It makes perfect sense. A person can only fight uphill for so long before they say fuck it. Prince knows that whatever he puts out will be highly critized so those songs that are dearest to his heart (the ones he feels are intensely personal or musically moving for him) are hard for him to let go. Its like releasing your children on the world only for your friends to say how ugly the children are.

Prince is an artist and human he feels negativity like anyone else. He has stated it many times in songs but u crackheads don't get it.

listen to "pearls before the swine" or "dolphin" or "why should I do that when I can do this". Shit go back and listen to "billy jack bitch" or "hello"...cruel words.

If he disapoints u it would be better for u to move on to music that excites rather then shitting on his children. Some of u have no manners.


Personal insults. What a classy way to get your point across.rolleyes

And no, it doesn't make any sense at all to stay sitting on the awesome tracks he might have. Sure, some people are going to bitch and moan no matter what he does, but that's all the more reason to prove them wrong. Releasing the mediocre work isn't going to satisfy anyone -not us and, I suspect, not him either. Why let loose anything less than your best?

That's like saying the police should only try to solve half their cases because the public will complain no matter what they do. It's a very fatalistic point of view, and does Prince as an artist and us as listeners a disservice. He's not Eeyore. "Why bother?" shouldn't be in his repertoire or ours.

Prince is capable of so much more than he's been showing us lately. He's got a talent most artists can only dream of. Why hold back?
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Reply #64 posted 09/30/08 1:53am

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lspear76 said:

funksterr said:

Leave the weak James Brown rehashes to the bar bands, dude. You used to be capable of so much better than this. Will you ever again focus on songwriting?
Prince used to be Sexy MF, now he should be called Lazy MF. Dude, is way too overconfident these days.


My question for Prince is... where are the real songs? Do you even write any real songs anymore? You don't have a job, so you have lots of free time. Do you really need Wendy & Lisa around to write your songs for you? Seriously dude. I think that Prince is not a good creator -- he's good at taking other people's ideas and fleshing them out into something different. Now that he doesn't hang with any real musicians, or give any of his band members any input, you get to see Prince's limited songwriting ability, maturity, and range as a musician. How can he write music that more mature when he's 27 (ATWIAD and PARADE) than he can at 50 (TURN ME LOOSE)? He's either lost it, or the group of musicians around him back then were much higher quality and had a lot more input. I really think Prince blew it. I think he knows this too.
[Edited 9/29/08 21:16pm]


jesus, I consider myself a fairly critical fan of Prince. I don´t like everything he puts out and I can see a lack of real brilliance in this latest work but what you posted is so harsh and unfair. Prince has written lots of great songs throughout his career and those songs are only credited to Prince. Are you saying somebody else created those songs and not him? He may not be an excellent composer NOW ( and i may agree), he might be tired or maybe he has given all that he´s got already but he has a gloriously creative past that you simply can´t deny.

In my opinion, songs like pearls before the swine, reflection, the word, love or all the midnights in the world show he can still be a great writer of pure pop songs when he wants to.
[Edited 9/30/08 6:45am]
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Reply #65 posted 09/30/08 6:31am

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tricky99 said:

meow85 said:


So instead of releasing the mindblowing goodness and at least trying to shut us up, he should just continue the half-assery he's working now, since some of us would complain no matter what?

That doesn't make any sense.


It makes perfect sense. A person can only fight uphill for so long before they say fuck it. Prince knows that whatever he puts out will be highly critized so those songs that are dearest to his heart (the ones he feels are intensely personal or musically moving for him) are hard for him to let go. Its like releasing your children on the world only for your friends to say how ugly the children are.

Prince is an artist and human he feels negativity like anyone else. He has stated it many times in songs but u crackheads don't get it.

listen to "pearls before the swine" or "dolphin" or "why should I do that when I can do this". Shit go back and listen to "billy jack bitch" or "hello"...cruel words.

If he disapoints u it would be better for u to move on to music that excites rather then shitting on his children. Some of u have no manners.

Tricky, you always know the right things to say in this place! woot! clapping highfive
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Reply #66 posted 09/30/08 7:35am

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It's just a song. Get over it.
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Reply #67 posted 09/30/08 9:14am

funksterr

LilSoulBrother85 said:

It's just a song. Get over it.


No, I won't. Because Prince has been doing this for too long now. New Prince songs should be OUTSTANDING. Not regular run of the mill average 'back in the day' cover band stuff. New Prince songs should be so good you have to listen to them for days to appreciate it. It used to be that way. If he can't deliver anymore he should just retire.
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Reply #68 posted 09/30/08 9:45am

funksterr

laurarichardson said:

funksterr said:

Leave the weak James Brown rehashes to the bar bands, dude. You used to be capable of so much better than this. Will you ever again focus on songwriting?
Prince used to be Sexy MF, now he should be called Lazy MF. Dude, is way too overconfident these days.

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I have no idea why you think P should retire based off a one song that may not be an official release. I also have no idea what "bar bands" have to do with JB (LOL) People listen to P to jam and dance. He is good at writing jams and I do not see anyone catching him in the groove department these days. In RnB we need more live drums, horns and rhythm if P wants to gave us that than great it might be time for members of the rhythm less nation to retire themselves from listing to P's output.


Excuses, excuses. Um, Prince didn't become so well respected as an artist and a musician for releasing half a song. 1999, When Doves Cry, Automatic, BJB, Love Bizarre, all have strong grooves. They also are Prince songs, that have his vibe all over them. They also have strong musicianship, lyrics, interesting solos and vocal lines, melodies, etc that combine to form a powerhouse musical entity that can't be denied. Those songs have a life of their own. You wouldn't know Turn Me Loose was a Prince song, if you didn't hear his vocals. It's that generic.

Lately, what we get from Prince is 'paint by the numbers' rehashes of someone else's genious (James Brown). What I'm saying is enough already. You can't fake effort! If you ain't gonna BRING IT, then don't release it. Do something else this year and I don't want to hear a new song from you if it ain't on point.
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Reply #69 posted 09/30/08 9:59am

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the last time i smiled after hearing a new single by P was after I heard Black Sweat- now THAT was a single!
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Reply #70 posted 09/30/08 10:12am

Anxiety

i kinda wish prince would take a break from pop music for a minute or two and work on another instrumental project. i think he needs to switch from the structure of pop songwriting to the freeform abstract mode of rolling out some improvisational jams. N*E*W*S* is far from my favorite prince album, but i appreciated the format and the experimentation of the project. maybe it's time for something like this, just to cleanse his palette and to give him a chance to do a string of instrumental jam club dates like he did in 2003. at this point, i'd welcome it!
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Reply #71 posted 09/30/08 10:21am

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Yall are expecting way too much of him..and thus is Prince's own fault..however this is not a single, it's not a pre-release club ready jam or anything top 10. Its just an enjoyable song for the fans only. Damn.
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Reply #72 posted 09/30/08 10:44am

CosmicDancer

Right on Bish...

Bishop31 said:

Damn, I Really Love this site lol . Just when I thought I was the only person not feeling this James Brown wanna be material, I see this thread. I don't believe being a Fan of an artist forces you to have to DIG everything the Artist decides to release. IF Prince is the Genius that everybody calls him, then why is he borrowing so much now from James. Keep innovating, Prince!
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Reply #73 posted 09/30/08 11:18am

dseann

scrambledeggsaresoboring said:

i AGREE.

it is pretty terrible.
i sat by the computer and listened to that LA station and kept missing it.
i finally tracked it down 'somewhere'.

and i stopped listening about halfway thru.
it is just so repetitive and boring.
im completely over this style of P song.
just like im over the 'call my name' type of ballad.
P seems to think there is a formula that he needs to stick to.

P needs to reinvent the formula, experiment more, get more electronic!
NO MORE HORNS!!!!!


Dude, if you don't like it don't listen to it or buy/download it. But to ask a musician who takes pride in his musicianship, as do many of his adoring fans, to deep six the instruments for a fake electronic sound is sacrilege. sad
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Reply #74 posted 09/30/08 11:24am

Dayclear

funksterr said:

DetroitMusic said:

Hey Mr. Poster, why don't you RETIRE!
If you've out grown Prince as a fan, then maybe you should find another hobby!
Leave us to enjoy the new music, you find so boring now!


The writing is all the wall for our boy. He's coasting. He's Vegas. He's Hollywood. He's soft. Gone is the scrappy fighter from Minneapolis. Gone is the hunger. Gone is the driving force to show everybody what's up! Now it's all about hiding in the memory of James Brown's shadow.

And what may I ask are you? If you were twice the man that you are, you still couldn't measure up to him, what have YOU done lately but BITCH??
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Reply #75 posted 09/30/08 11:39am

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i think he's got a soft spot 4 rock&roll & he's got his rock & roll head on at the moment
he switched a couple of songs up tht way in london & he reg covers johnny b goode/all shook up
if he's inspired by this sound at the moment, he's gotta go with it & we'll have 2 like it or lump it. let him get this outta his system!
dunno what people complaining about really..i mean those lyrics are a shocker & his sexyraspy vocals easily make up 4 what the song lacks musically.
i say just dance 2 the fcuker! boogie
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Reply #76 posted 09/30/08 11:41am

dseann

lottielooloo1968 said:

i think he's got a soft spot 4 rock&roll & he's got his rock & roll head on at the moment
he switched a couple of songs up tht way in london & he reg covers johnny b goode/all shook up
if he's inspired by this sound at the moment, he's gotta go with it & we'll have 2 like it or lump it. let him get this outta his system!
dunno what people complaining about really..i mean those lyrics are a shocker & his sexyraspy vocals easily make up 4 what the song lacks musically.
i say just dance 2 the fcuker! boogie


I actually have the Tonight Show version on my hard drive and have never heard the studio version. I fucking love what I have. I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's a good song, maybe not his best, but a good song nontheless.
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Reply #77 posted 09/30/08 11:45am

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dseann said:

lottielooloo1968 said:

i think he's got a soft spot 4 rock&roll & he's got his rock & roll head on at the moment
he switched a couple of songs up tht way in london & he reg covers johnny b goode/all shook up
if he's inspired by this sound at the moment, he's gotta go with it & we'll have 2 like it or lump it. let him get this outta his system!
dunno what people complaining about really..i mean those lyrics are a shocker & his sexyraspy vocals easily make up 4 what the song lacks musically.
i say just dance 2 the fcuker! boogie


I actually have the Tonight Show version on my hard drive and have never heard the studio version. I fucking love what I have. I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's a good song, maybe not his best, but a good song nontheless.


yeah! he gives us naughty lyrics & a catchy tune & people still not satisfied!
there's no pleasing some mf's..
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Reply #78 posted 09/30/08 11:48am

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shygirl said:

If Prince wrote Raspberry Beret or ICNTTPOYM today, trust me, the division of opinions would be the same. Just because those songs got radio airplay and were hits doesn't mean all Prince fans loved them.
I don't know if prince.org was around back then, but if it was, there was probably a lot of hate expressed for Raspberry Beret.


The Internet did not exist in 1985.


but viewaskew, even if it did exist back then, u would still have fans saying this sucks that sucks that's great that's awesome. it would b the same no matter what cause i do know people that can't stand raspberry beret and i 4 one can't stand hearing purple rain one more time live. this the duality of being a prince fan. 4 every one person screaming this is great there is another saying their crazy. everybody wants what they don't got and that imo is sitting next 2 prince in recording studio trying 2 tell him how 2 produce, add or subtract instruments, don't sing it this way sing it that way etc etc etc
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #79 posted 09/30/08 11:48am

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Reply #80 posted 09/30/08 11:55am

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Bishop31 said:

Damn, I Really Love this site lol . Just when I thought I was the only person not feeling this James Brown wanna be material, I see this thread. I don't believe being a Fan of an artist forces you to have to DIG everything the Artist decides to release. IF Prince is the Genius that everybody calls him, then why is he borrowing so much now from James. Keep innovating, Prince!


borrowing? he grew up on james u know so he's doing what he grew up on, strong grooves and horns ..what's the big deal? every artist borrows from somebody
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #81 posted 09/30/08 11:57am

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Bishop31 said:

Damn, I Really Love this site lol . Just when I thought I was the only person not feeling this James Brown wanna be material, I see this thread. I don't believe being a Fan of an artist forces you to have to DIG everything the Artist decides to release. IF Prince is the Genius that everybody calls him, then why is he borrowing so much now from James. Keep innovating, Prince!

This is Prince's version of a JB tribute.
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Reply #82 posted 09/30/08 12:10pm

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funksterr said:

LilSoulBrother85 said:

It's just a song. Get over it.


No, I won't. Because Prince has been doing this for too long now. New Prince songs should be OUTSTANDING. Not regular run of the mill average 'back in the day' cover band stuff. New Prince songs should be so good you have to listen to them for days to appreciate it. It used to be that way. If he can't deliver anymore he should just retire.


perhaps u should either retire urself or i got it, how about u go in2 a record studio write some incredible shit then put it out and have your fan base rip it 2 shreds because they don't like it?

sounds like a plan 2 me
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #83 posted 09/30/08 12:48pm

dseann

lottielooloo1968 said:

dseann said:



I actually have the Tonight Show version on my hard drive and have never heard the studio version. I fucking love what I have. I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's a good song, maybe not his best, but a good song nontheless.


yeah! he gives us naughty lyrics & a catchy tune & people still not satisfied!
there's no pleasing some mf's..


lol
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Reply #84 posted 09/30/08 12:58pm

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L4OATheOriginal said:

funksterr said:



No, I won't. Because Prince has been doing this for too long now. New Prince songs should be OUTSTANDING. Not regular run of the mill average 'back in the day' cover band stuff. New Prince songs should be so good you have to listen to them for days to appreciate it. It used to be that way. If he can't deliver anymore he should just retire.


perhaps u should either retire urself or i got it, how about u go in2 a record studio write some incredible shit then put it out and have your fan base rip it 2 shreds because they don't like it?

sounds like a plan 2 me

He won't lol. Just one of those types who likes to Talk Loud and Say Nothing.
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Reply #85 posted 09/30/08 1:24pm

optimus

Anxiety said:

i kinda wish prince would take a break from pop music for a minute or two and work on another instrumental project. i think he needs to switch from the structure of pop songwriting to the freeform abstract mode of rolling out some improvisational jams. N*E*W*S* is far from my favorite prince album, but i appreciated the format and the experimentation of the project. maybe it's time for something like this, just to cleanse his palette and to give him a chance to do a string of instrumental jam club dates like he did in 2003. at this point, i'd welcome it!



Well actions speak louder than words Mr Aslan..... missile
[Edited 9/30/08 13:27pm]
Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants salvation of the soul
The steps U take are no easy road
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Reply #86 posted 09/30/08 1:29pm

Anxiety

optimus said:

Anxiety said:

i kinda wish prince would take a break from pop music for a minute or two and work on another instrumental project. i think he needs to switch from the structure of pop songwriting to the freeform abstract mode of rolling out some improvisational jams. N*E*W*S* is far from my favorite prince album, but i appreciated the format and the experimentation of the project. maybe it's time for something like this, just to cleanse his palette and to give him a chance to do a string of instrumental jam club dates like he did in 2003. at this point, i'd welcome it!



Well actions speak louder than words Mr Aslan..... missile
[Edited 9/30/08 13:27pm]


don't hate me because my mane is beautiful!
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Reply #87 posted 09/30/08 1:38pm

optimus

Anxiety said:

optimus said:




Well actions speak louder than words Mr Aslan..... missile
[Edited 9/30/08 13:27pm]


don't hate me because my mane is beautiful!


falloff that was good....4 a mod wink bow
[Edited 9/30/08 16:12pm]
Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants salvation of the soul
The steps U take are no easy road
But the reward is great
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Reply #88 posted 09/30/08 3:38pm

Flowers2

funksterr said:

LilSoulBrother85 said:

It's just a song. Get over it.


No, I won't.



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Reply #89 posted 09/30/08 4:09pm

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funksterr said:

Leave the weak James Brown rehashes to the bar bands, dude. You used to be capable of so much better than this. Will you ever again focus on songwriting?
Prince used to be Sexy MF, now he should be called Lazy MF. Dude, is way too overconfident these days.


It's where he's at right now. I think TML is ok, but he shouldn't retire just because you think he's rehashing or copying himself or others, this is PRINCE we're talking about here. He' been copying himself for years.
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