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PrintableCall7779311 said: No - the next album will prove you wrong!!!
Like Musicology/3121/PE did!!!  & there is no new Studio Album planned until next summer 09! | |
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crap you started without me...
I am more inclined to think he is being a little lazy trather than believe he has run out of ideas. I do believe there are infinite possibilities in music.. for me the idea that there could be an end to music evolution is as impossible as there being and end point for evolution in biology. For a true musician and songwriter, for whom music comes as naturally as having a conversation... the idea that they could run out of things to say seems ridiculous. I'm not a big fan of his output in the 1990's, it all felt kind of angry to me... but he still had something to say (musically and lyrically). If you consider the bulk of his output, and most of his albums have a distinctve sound. I would say musicology, 3121, emancipation are exception to the rule(and probably some others)... which aren't bad necessarily, but don't have a distinctive sound that give you a sence that he is trying to acheive something musically. I agree that his latest music is a little like white noise, but I don't think it is because he has run out of ideas, I think he has gotten .... lazy...I didn't want to use that word, because it isn't quite what i mean. I feel like he has temporarily forgotten why he does what he does. He needs to go to india and learn how to play the crazy complicated guitars they have over there and jam with those guys who play with all sorts rythmis stuff... return to being a student and explorer of music again. When artists hit that wall, I think it is just that... some sort of blockage, beyond which is a whole new world of possibilities. but hey 
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I consider...
Tom Waits, Nick Cave and Johnny Cash to be the evidence to support my thoughts | |
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tricky99 said: Given what u have written previously and your statement about Stevie Wonder I think its safe to say that u are very hard and demanding on your musicians lol. I have stevie's latest and although I don't play it regularly it certainly didn't make me want to vomit. It wasn't bad in any way. it just wasn't innovative like his music of his youth.
Why anybody would expect Prince, stevie or Miles to continue being infinitely innovative is beyond me. Surely the fact that they created so much goes to the notion that with each creation the innovation is going to decrease. Its really common sense. Hell my own ideas aren't as fresh as they were when I was 21 or 25. At this point the "newness" of Prince can only be incremental to anyone that as followed his whole career. U seem to want Prince to open some new musical room in your brain each time out. Its not going to happen. That's why there are always new musicains coming along to do that. As long as Prince continues to create songs that I enjoy I'm fine. I don't have to think they are innovative or better then any other song by someone else. Songs like the dance, 3121, North, SHOE, and Call my name are songs I will enjoy from now until the grave. That's enough for me. I feel so sad that you feel this way. I experience the opposite. As I go through life and experience more of it, meet people, hear music of different cultures, see dance, read inspiring books, watch film and just plain experience the beauty of life... My ideas are just a fresh but also more rich and complex. That's how it is for dance, it I beleive it should and can be the same way in music. | |
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truefunksoldier said: Jatrig said: As he gained a reputation and the resources, he moved from creating MUSIC to trying to creat SONGS. He started wanting to craft songs like it was an artwork, instead of focusing on the music underlying those songs. This is when his music began to get lame. The Black Album and even many tracks on Sign O TImes aren't complicated examples of perfectly crafted songs - but are more briliant because of the music. He now thinks of songs as "babies" and tries to make these things into more than what they are - and he isn't that good at it. Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I think the problem with Prince's music is exactly the opposite of what you have suggested. First of all, Sign of the Times and The Black album are pretty much polar opposites of each other, and to lump them together muddies the argument. Sign of the Times has many examples of very well crafted pop songs, and that's what makes the album have presence. The Black album is more of a meandering jam session similar to his later output, and that's where his music falls off. Riffing and vamping is fine for live gigs, but albums full of it get tiresome and lack substance. His earlier material was chock full of interestingly arranged and well written songs, but lately he's either lost his ability to, or has lost interest in the craft of songwriting. Once he gets a groove he likes, he stops and commits is to tape as a final song, whereas in the past he most likely took that seed of inspiration, and then worked at crafting a great song around it. I would cosign with the first post. I think that many of his albums had a distinctive sound, even the ecclectic ones sounded like he was on the one musical journey. In other words you can put a song on and know what album it is from, not because you know the song, but because you know the sound of that particular album... lately albums sound like collections of songs, without that sense of him being on a particular journey. | |
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i think it is a combination of many things, where he is at this point in his life and the truth is he's not as disordered as he was when he was young. His youth was filled with a lot of pain, sexual preoccupation and shit that he struggled with in regards to women- and ultimately his upbringing. Lucky for us he was a prodigy and budding musical genuis-we recieved the fruits of this expression. Now dont get me wrong, he's still Narcissistic in his personality style but he's a lot healthier and it dont take a shrink to see that.Most times good emotional health dont equal kickass art, but Prince was blessed enough to have laid it all out there in a prolific way-unrivaled in music history. I guess what i'm trying to say is Prince has been giving us snapshots and glimpses of what he "was" for close to 20 years now. Theres no logical reason to believe he can give us anything more, he probably places a higher value on enjoying life vs. being isolated in some studio now. And that's OK, if anybody deserves the right to be lazy and run out of ideas it is a guy like him.D'Angelo is another story, he buckled under expectation and being viewed as a sex god when prince flourished under the pressure. We shouldnt even be asking this question of prince who set the bar so high in a 10 year span that years later guys like DÁngelo cant even begin to approach it. Why has he run out of ideas at 31 with only 2 albums. | |
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he is 50 years old cut him some slack You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam! | |
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Flowers2 said:[quote] Graycap23 said: Truly creative people don't run out of ideas, they run out of motivation.
There is a difference. Yeah, and sometimes they run into moneyhungry assholes who only wants you for your fame!  | |
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Prince can still write great pop songs. He just needs to take
his time and not rush it, a la Planet Earth. Good pop songs, that´s all I ask from him nowadays, frankly, and I think he is perfectly capable of doing so. | |
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