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Anyone watch "Prince's Million$" on BBC3 last night???? Sat down to watch this show last night and within 5 mins knew it was going to be crap! The guy presenting the show obviously doesn't like Prince's music, let alone the man, as I don't think he said a good thing about him in the hour long show.
The show seemed to skip over Prince's successes and concentrate on all negative stuff! The final total they had for him was that he is only worth $40million. They said that this was made up only of assets such as property and his back catalogue. They completely failed to mention any money made from his website over the last few years! And I am sure he must have made some charging $100 last year and $25 this year. This confused me because when they looked at David Bowie the other week, they did a whole section on his website!! They had a number of people commenting on Prince, one being that pain Alex Hahn. Is there no escaping this man!?!?!? A major hole (I think) in the assessment is that last week Robbie Williams was worth $60 Million!!?!?! Need I say more??? ----------------------------------------------
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The show is specifically about his money, not his music. Why would they go off topic and start praising his musical accomplishments instead? If they said that Prince was worth billions, would you love the show instead? | |
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Controversy1976 said: The guy presenting the show obviously doesn't like Prince's music, let alone the man, as I don't think he said a good thing about him in the hour long show.
The show seemed to skip over Prince's successes and concentrate on all negative stuff! Utter bollocks, there were tons of compliments and postive comments, you just chose to react to the negative ones. Why is Alex Hahn considered a pain ? Becuase he chose to air his opinions ? | |
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Controversy1976 said: A major hole (I think) in the assessment is that last week Robbie Williams was worth $60 Million!!?!?! Need I say more??? Yes - in what way did the estimated income and expenditure of Robbie Williams seem inaccurate?ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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langebleu said: Controversy1976 said: A major hole (I think) in the assessment is that last week Robbie Williams was worth $60 Million!!?!?! Need I say more??? Yes - in what way did the estimated income and expenditure of Robbie Williams seem inaccurate?in the way that Robbie didn't spank millions away on unreleased video's, signing crap female singers, not listening to lawyers, and "generally not being led by his penis"* *Quote credited to Eileen Murton 1995  | |
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Okay Robbie Williams is worth 60$Mio? and Prince is worth 40$mio?..  .. okay something is seriously WRONG!!.. | |
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Sandra said: Okay Robbie Williams is worth 60$Mio? and Prince is worth 40$mio?..
.. okay something is seriously WRONG!!..Excuse my ignorance,but who the heck IS Robbie Williams?! | |
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DavidEye said: Sandra said: Okay Robbie Williams is worth 60$Mio? and Prince is worth 40$mio?..
.. okay something is seriously WRONG!!..Excuse my ignorance,but who the heck IS Robbie Williams?! yeah, could someone please tell us who he is? never heard of the cat.  | |
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DavidEye said: Sandra said: Okay Robbie Williams is worth 60$Mio? and Prince is worth 40$mio?..
.. okay something is seriously WRONG!!..Excuse my ignorance,but who the heck IS Robbie Williams?! The biggest male solo artist in Britain. He was in boyband Take That in the mid-90s, and left the band for a solo career, he's had about 5 albums. He's tried to break the USA several times and fallen flat on his face, much to the dismay of his label who've just given him a huge contract.  [This message was edited Mon May 19 5:52:25 PDT 2003 by VelvetSplash] | |
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and beleive it or not but his ego is even bigger than Princes'!!! Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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i wish i was "only worth $40 million"!!! | |
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The Programme didn't shock me. To me it showed that Prince is more interested in his music than the money he makes.
£40 million is a good figure. I think it showed that Prince had earned about £150 million in his career but has made some bad decisions, bad in the programmes eyes as they didn't make any money but it is what prince wanted to do. No one has ever been able to tell Prince not to do anything and I respect him for the decisions he has made. He takes no crap from anyone. he is his own master and if he wants to try something he doesn't let anything stop him. He takes risks and has had major success and also major losses. His love for entertainment will keep him going alot longer than Robbie Williams. Let's see if Robbie is still going after 25 years, I think not! http://www.myspace.com/savage1999uk
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Sandra said: Okay Robbie Williams is worth 60$Mio? and Prince is worth 40$mio?.. The thing that is seriously wrong is that people are so bothered.
.. okay something is seriously WRONG!!..It's just a BBC3 programme which doesn't pretend to do anything more than guess how much Prince or Robbie Williams might be worth financially. The Sunday Times' Rich List recently placed Robbie Williams in 962nd position in the UK worth approximately £35m. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...911431.stm . [This message was edited Mon May 19 7:54:02 PDT 2003 by langebleu] ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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DavidEye said: Sandra said: Okay Robbie Williams is worth 60$Mio? and Prince is worth 40$mio?..
.. okay something is seriously WRONG!!..Excuse my ignorance,but who the heck IS Robbie Williams?! WOW man u dont know Robbie? Well most american people don't knowh im, I like him.. he's GOOD!! But he's not worth more than Prince! hell no! .. he's really good.. | |
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Judging by these kind of comments on prince.org it seems that everybody in "the media" hates prince... the rec companies won't give him milions in advance anymore, nor promotion... the radiostations wont play his songs... the music critics won't give him enough credit... the biographers hate him too... and now the BBC also... boohoo... You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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freakyfeet said: Controversy1976 said: The guy presenting the show obviously doesn't like Prince's music, let alone the man, as I don't think he said a good thing about him in the hour long show.
The show seemed to skip over Prince's successes and concentrate on all negative stuff! Utter bollocks, there were tons of compliments and postive comments, you just chose to react to the negative ones. Why is Alex Hahn considered a pain ? Becuase he chose to air his opinions ? I realise it was a "tabloid" type show and was all about how famous people make and blow there money. But at the same time it was making out that Prince is/was a complete idiot when it comes to business decisions. Yeah we all know that the Paisley Park record label was a failure because Prince was more interested in what the artists looked like then their abilities. And that he spent far too much money on his tours etc. But whenever someone said something 30 seconds of positive it was followed by 5 minutes of negative. As I already said, no mention of he website activities - just that you could buy his recent albums on the web! Also as the show progressed, they added to the total with earnings and then took out spend ie - they took off $6million for building and expenses on Paisley Park. However then at the end the once again took off all the money he spent - so it appeared they took things off twice!? As for Alex Hahn - nothing wrong with your opinions that is what we are doing here. But if you look at all the threads on him and his new book - not many people like him, or agree with his opinions. Most of which are just stabs in the dark. ----------------------------------------------
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I watched the show at my dads house last night,and i had to put up with "He's insane","A normal person doesnt do that"
comments all the way through it. I just laugh it off though cos his eccentric side is entertainment in itself!! Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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I'm in complete agreement with Savage and have been explaining this side of the coin myself today, to friends who also watched the programme.
The programme was always going to judge Prince on a financial success basis, but the overwhelimg feeling I got from this was that Prince was far more concerned with maintaining artistic integrity (or, at least, doing what he wanted to do) rather than how much money could be made - and good on him. Robbie Williams might be worth $40million now, but he's early in his career. Had this been done on Prince after Purple Rain, his net worth would have been much higher. I suspect a large proportion of Robbie's current wealth includes his massive advance from EMI - so just wait until all the stusio costs, video costs etc are sucked out of that!! And, if he continues to flop in America (which he will) then its going to get even worse! On and, by the way, Robbie Williams is the biggest pile of shit ever! So, America, please help seal his fate - you'd be doing us in the UK a huge favour as we have to put up with him being all over the media almost daily. And, here's a quote from Robbie to "stir the senses" - this was at a recording of Top of the Pops, around the time of Rave. Prince had got the largest, "star" dressing room and Robbie was unhappy about it. On stage, just before he starts recording, Robbie mentions this to his adoring 13-year olds and announces "If he came out here now, I'd kick his ass like it was 1999" - um, whatever! Perhaps, Mr Williams, if you were able to write something that was even half the quality of 1999, somebody might take notice! ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Abrazo said: Judging by these kind of comments on prince.org it seems that everybody in "the media" hates prince... the rec companies won't give him milions in advance anymore,
Didn't he get $12 million for Rave? His last major label CD. He did zilch promotion, released the video to the lead single too late, then stopped the release of any further singles, and slagged off the record company that gave him another chance at commercial viability. Abrazo said: nor promotion...
He has to do the promotion himself too, it works both ways. Abrazo said: the radiostations wont play his songs...
He ain't releasing anything! Abrazo said: the music critics won't give him enough credit...
Your right, although there is an underlying acceptance (at least in British music magazines, that he is a classic 80s star and genius who's career and output went pear shaped in the 90s. Abrazo said: the biographers hate him too...
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if i remember correctly, they only mentioned $10m of the $100m from that contract with WB | |
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MashedPotatoKid said: if i remember correctly, they only mentioned $10m of the $100m from that contract with WB The deal didn't quite work like that: the $100m deal - as it was described at the time - was not a straight up payment or even advance of $100m.
Principally, the 1992 contract was a six album deal whereby, provided Prince sold 5 million copies (which he rarely did) of his next album, Warners agreed to lend him another $10m to cover the subsequent release. But of course Warners would still be owed the $10m (it was only an advance) which they would recoup from further album sales. It is also reported that if Prince failed to reach the 5 million sales target, he would have to renegotiate with Warners to secure finance and release further product. This effectively enabled Warners to retain control of the flow of Prince's output unless Prince were suddenly to start selling albums at a rate inconsistent generally with his past performance. Other $m which represented the contribution towards the '$100m' deal included further financial support for Paisley Park Records. The $10m specifically mentioned in the programme was said to be a one-off payment that WB made to Prince which allegedly staved off potential bankruptcy shortly before the WB contract was terminated. ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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Controversy1976 said: Also as the show progressed, they added to the total with earnings and then took out spend ie - they took off $6million for building and expenses on Paisley Park. However then at the end the once again took off all the money he spent - so it appeared they took things off twice!? Like you said, it was a tabloid exercise, so you get tabloid accounting. They were rough estimates with little or no accounting or corroborational evidence.
The final deduction was supposed to represent a multitude of expenses, but it said 'studios' - Prince has used various studios both in the USA as well as abroad over the course of his career, and studio costs have to be paid for even if your record company advances you money to cover the upfront costs. They had previously provided details of album income, but they had not deducted costs. They also deducted the costs of numerous side projects at the end. My guess is that they had already defrayed the obvious income and costs and they had formed a broad idea of how much he is worth today, so they surmised that the difference was represented by such other expenses not previously deducted across his career. As for Alex Hahn - nothing wrong with your opinions that is what we are doing here. But if you look at all the threads on him and his new book - not many people like him, or agree with his opinions. Most of which are just stabs in the dark. Those opinions are presumably the ones he includes in his book. Which opinions do you consider of his are stabs in the dark - presuming you have read his book and are not just basing that on the impression you have gained from reading other people's opinions?ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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Controversy1976 said: Sat down to watch this show last night and within 5 mins knew it was going to be crap! The guy presenting the show obviously doesn't like Prince's music, let alone the man, as I don't think he said a good thing about him in the hour long show.
The show seemed to skip over Prince's successes and concentrate on all negative stuff! The final total they had for him was that he is only worth $40million. They said that this was made up only of assets such as property and his back catalogue. They completely failed to mention any money made from his website over the last few years! And I am sure he must have made some charging $100 last year and $25 this year. This confused me because when they looked at David Bowie the other week, they did a whole section on his website!! They had a number of people commenting on Prince, one being that pain Alex Hahn. Is there no escaping this man!?!?!? A major hole (I think) in the assessment is that last week Robbie Williams was worth $60 Million!!?!?! Need I say more??? I know what you mean about the flavour of the whole programme, I experienced it as critical, humiliating with many jokes at his expense. I like the way that Prince seems to not care to hang onto his money. The programmes focus seemed to be quite obsessed about the fact that he actually could put his personal feeling/artistic nature, above how much things cost. The programmed seemed to end on more of an up note, insofar as giving Prince some credit for the position he is in today. The part with Holly Johnson seemed painful. And I felt quite moved watching his reaction - and realised, that although the programme was slating him for having no sense of humour, I realised exactly why I love him... he is so sensitive as a person, which is such a beautiful strength. | |
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Mindflux said: I'm in complete agreement with Savage and have been explaining this side of the coin myself today, to friends who also watched the programme.
The programme was always going to judge Prince on a financial success basis, but the overwhelimg feeling I got from this was that Prince was far more concerned with maintaining artistic integrity (or, at least, doing what he wanted to do) rather than how much money could be made - and good on him. Robbie Williams might be worth $40million now, but he's early in his career. Had this been done on Prince after Purple Rain, his net worth would have been much higher. I suspect a large proportion of Robbie's current wealth includes his massive advance from EMI - so just wait until all the stusio costs, video costs etc are sucked out of that!! And, if he continues to flop in America (which he will) then its going to get even worse! On and, by the way, Robbie Williams is the biggest pile of shit ever! So, America, please help seal his fate - you'd be doing us in the UK a huge favour as we have to put up with him being all over the media almost daily. And, here's a quote from Robbie to "stir the senses" - this was at a recording of Top of the Pops, around the time of Rave. Prince had got the largest, "star" dressing room and Robbie was unhappy about it. On stage, just before he starts recording, Robbie mentions this to his adoring 13-year olds and announces "If he came out here now, I'd kick his ass like it was 1999" - um, whatever! Perhaps, Mr Williams, if you were able to write something that was even half the quality of 1999, somebody might take notice! Cheers mate. At last someone agrees with me! http://www.myspace.com/savage1999uk
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Williams is a knob. High on confidence, low on talent. 'Nuff said.  | |
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langebleu said: MashedPotatoKid said: if i remember correctly, they only mentioned $10m of the $100m from that contract with WB The deal didn't quite work like that: the $100m deal - as it was described at the time - was not a straight up payment or even advance of $100m.
Principally, the 1992 contract was a six album deal whereby, provided Prince sold 5 million copies (which he rarely did) of his next album, Warners agreed to lend him another $10m to cover the subsequent release. But of course Warners would still be owed the $10m (it was only an advance) which they would recoup from further album sales. It is also reported that if Prince failed to reach the 5 million sales target, he would have to renegotiate with Warners to secure finance and release further product. This effectively enabled Warners to retain control of the flow of Prince's output unless Prince were suddenly to start selling albums at a rate inconsistent generally with his past performance. Other $m which represented the contribution towards the '$100m' deal included further financial support for Paisley Park Records. The $10m specifically mentioned in the programme was said to be a one-off payment that WB made to Prince which allegedly staved off potential bankruptcy shortly before the WB contract was terminated. Thanks for explaining this.When the deal was signed in 1992,Prince received $10 Million for the 'Love Symbol' album but I knew there were gonna be problems when it failed to sell 5 million copies.And sure enough,Prince went to war with Warners shortly after and Paisley Park Records was shut down. | |
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VelvetSplash said: Abrazo said: Judging by these kind of comments on prince.org it seems that everybody in "the media" hates prince... the rec companies won't give him milions in advance anymore,
Didn't he get $12 million for Rave? His last major label CD. He did zilch promotion, released the video to the lead single too late, then stopped the release of any further singles, and slagged off the record company that gave him another chance at commercial viability. [This message was edited Tue May 20 7:13:10 PDT 2003 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Alex Hahn ... did you SEE that guy?
I was wondering why his picture wasn't featured on the cover. [This message was edited Tue May 20 7:22:13 PDT 2003 by Mr7] | |
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Mr7 said: Alex Hahn ... did you SEE that guy?
I was wondering why his picture wasn't featured on the cover. [This message was edited Tue May 20 7:22:13 PDT 2003 by Mr7] That's just petty and pathetic. How biographies have you seen that have the author and not the subject on the front cover you dingus. | |
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