ButterscotchPimp said:

it sounds as if you have found a soul mate... that's nice

i get what your saying... it's like he got his black belt and went on to something else

if your interested in loud GFY jazz that pushes limits, check these guys out

http://profile.myspace.co...d=66984709

it's kind of what i imagine c-note could have been

be warned though: it is loud and not an easy listen... jazz you may want to head bang to. they are also too lazy to do a proper recording/release

and i will toddle off to find out who you are refering to, because I my jazz education has been local, when not really old

2mins later... oooh nice/ pretty (I'm going to use that), remind my of

http://profile.myspace.co...D=98933199
(hippies)

Yeah well, all I know is I don't like this thread anymore cuz now it has more "views" than the threads written about me....Dang! And if u think I'm joking,... then ya'll high on crack!

jdcxc said:

sweetheart... read the post/topic properly.. no-one here is disagreeing with you, and this argument (which isn't an argument at all, because it isn't addressing the topic or the post you are referring to) has been repeated in this thread over and over and over and over

and EVERYONE AGREES

(sorry to get snippy... I feel really bad now)

blackguitaristz said:

ButterscotchPimp said:[quote]

murph said:

ok shit.. that's funny and you are an asshole

keep it up

violetblues said:

I like your use of my brilliant analogy. i think there may be a few in here that view him in this way.... A+

(but you were supposed to post it on the other thread to counter the girly responses.. we need more testosterone over there, if it hasn't already drowned in the drool)
[Edited 8/26/08 23:42pm]

ButterscotchPimp said:

.. on a serious note, i understand and agree that Prince has funky music, but he didnt master in the genre.. although i believe he can master it, he just chooses not to ....he does music that appeals to the masses ... Prince is like a 'hybrid' of what was.... he's not gonna give himself 100% to any one genre..... and so, he is able to take the past, add his style in there.. and 'master' everything to create = his own sound.. doesnt matter to me if he's labeled a funk artist or not... his funky song, Lady Cab Driver is what made me a fan...and i'll always be one..

Flowers2 said:[quote]

ButterscotchPimp said:

Damn!...That shit's perfect... Prince is like "Say what?!...Well fuck ya'll then!"

blackguitaristz said:

lol yeah, that's why i put this... Prince gon'be alright.. no matter what ...folks got bent outta shape over .. a 'title' (funk artist).. and really it ain't that heavy ...'cues up Ledisi - "Alright" ..Prince is a megastar .. and that's all that counts.. folks will remember him however they want to remember too...

BlaqueKnight said:

no.. everything he does isnt great lol (not to mention some of his stuff sounding like Joni, James, etc) but what is the big deal over this title.. 'Funk Artist'.. ? i already said Prince is a hybrid.. so if he's not labelled a funk artist.. so what? Music discussions about Prince never go well cause all alot folks do is condescend and attack each other... and no, there are other musicians that can give Prince a run for his money.. there are plenty of talented artists.. it's just i dont get all hung up over it...

If funk is defined as midling, generic, by-the-numbers black music with periodic nods to a once captivating past, then Prince is cutting edge. Undisputed.

I wouldn't care what genre of music the guy produced, as long as he was doing genuinely interesting work again. He was at his best when you couldn't put a nail on what he was doing, funk, rock, R&B or otherwise.

murph said:

and that sums it up right there.
[Edited 8/27/08 5:11am]

blackguitaristz said:

Prince IS funky when he wants to. Listen to some of his 94-95 concerts with the NPG, for example.

You mentioned that he is not taken seriously in the ´funk´ camp. Well, maybe it happens because he is always seen as a ´pop artist´ and his albums aren't 100% made of funk, because he is so versatile.

I would say that Prince was one of the few artists that brought something for the funk, borrowing from James and Clinton, but making it modern, Rick James was the other one. Most musicians THINK they are funky, but they aren´t.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Nah...I just want u to admit that your first point was flawed...And i'm being nice when I say that...

As for your "son" comment, I hope that's just NYC slang...lol...Because the last time I checked, u r not pops...The funny part is u probably some 23 year old kid that probably just heard his first P Funk record a year ago...So yeah, I'm more than "happy" to say that...

ButterscotchPimp said:

The operative word is "idiots"...I myself don't pay attention to idiots...These are the same folks that think Miles can out funk JB or early '70s Sly....I'm just saying...lol

ButterscotchPimp said:

Well, the above is true...He did create his own hybrid sound...And he is as talented as all get out...What is so crazy about saying such a thing?...And believe me...I know how u feel...I've gone at quite a few folks on this site who believe Prince is a their Lord and Savior...But I usually stray away from utilizing bait posts to make my points...When you said Prince was not at all funky that was jumping off the cliff...That's all I've ever said and will continue to say...

ButterscotchPimp said:

Wow, u really are 23, huh?....I never thought he was a funk legend...If that's the card u r going to continue to play and dance over your ridiculous statement that Prince was hardly funky (I think folks have given u enough songs throughout this thread to prove that point...) then go for it homie...And really, asking your funk friends if Prince was a funk master is nothing more than bait in itself...Why don't u just ask them if Prince ever laid down some nasty funk? That would be the more level headed question...Hmmmmm.....

ButterscotchPimp said:

Not bullshit at all...When folks have blasted your point by saying they too have talked to their own legendary funk master about Prince and came out with an entirely different perspective u intially glaced over that...Because that has been the crutch of your shakey argument...And once that crutch was kicked away u sent right back to your "funkmaster" shit...then you went to the "people think Prince is as great as a jazz player as Miles..."....In other words, you seem to be getting desperate here...And that's with all due respect....
[Edited 8/27/08 6:51am]

robinesque said:[quote]

ButterscotchPimp said:

i've been called "asshole" so much, it should be my legal surname.
and i will!

Flowers2 said:

A++ for the gif! that's awesome!
I don't doubt that if Prince wanted to completely immerse himself in a genre, and decided to sit in smoky ass jazz clubs or went and hit some funk sets with some heavy hitters that he could EVENTUALLY master a genre. I just don't think he's there now, and to be honest i think he's too lazy to do that. He can just dabble and his fans will think he's a master anyways. So why bother?

And yes, "Lady Cab Driver" is funky.

BlaqueKnight said:

Flowers2 said:

Well personally, i think this topic has gone well and i for one would like to see more discussions like this in here than the fluff stuff that usually goes on. And people disagreeing is fine as long as people can intelligently express their points and not just come in with "well, he's cute and he's the greatest so that's that".

viewaskew said:

EXACTLY. Gracias, Silent Bob.

GustavoRibas said:

AGAIN, i know Prince can be funky.
And there are modern artists that have taken the funk flag and kept it waving high, you just haven't necessarily heard of them. It didn't and doesn't end with Rick and Prince. Especially when Prince hasn't done that much "funk".

Difference between "funky" and "funk"!!!!!

You mean like for like what would be now the FOURTH time where i've admitted on this thread that the initial post was harsh? I mean i've said that more than once on here. But i've also maintained numerous times that if it hadn't been, that i don't think this thread would be as long and spirited as it is. So what exactly are you looking for me to say? "I'm sorry for starting this"? I'm not.




I try not to in here, but as i'm sure you're aware there are a LOT of them. Sometimes they're a little difficult to ignore.



Where did i say that saying that is crazy? And where you say that this is a "bait post" it really wasn't intended as such. I don't start a lot of threads on here. As far as total posts go, for the amount of years i've been on here my total is probably super low. I AM however (if you hadn't noticed) somewhat passionate about discussing music and extremely opinionated. So something in that W&L thread struck a nerve and i just went with it. And i said Prince wasn't that funky from a "pure funk" standpoint, and i'm still saying that.
[Edited 8/27/08 7:26am]

Shit. I wasn't done replying to this yet. Anyways.....






Um, more like double 23. I never said YOU said he was a funk legend, but it's been said by others on this thread more than once. Maybe i ramble or something, but when i'm defending this thread i'm not necessarily talking about YOU. And again i said hardly funky FROM A PURE FUNK STANDPOINT. I've never asked my friends in the funk camp about whether Prince is a "funk master". I've been around that camp for years and being a huge fan he's either come up in discussion or i've played a track that i thought was "funky" and got feedback that way. Like what, i got on the phone before i made this thread and took a "funk survey"?




I haven't glossed over shit. Like i JUST said, 1-2 of the names that were listed i've heard the OPPOSITE shit come out of their mouths myself. Now, being that i'm not 23 i'm not going to single those people out or go and put somebody else on blast for some shit in here that they told me face to face. The topic ain't that deep for me to do that to someone else. So if you want to call that "getting desperate" so be it. I call it being "grown". We're having a conversation on the internet. It ain't THAT deep.

FuNkeNsteiN said:

doubt all u want 2, what's funky 2 me may not b 2 u..and having a pic of bootsy in ur avatar and playing a bass doesn't mean u know what true funk is either

ButterscotchPimp said:

congrats son on ur accomplishments but everything u listed u have with the xception of my own business, i have as well but i also have my own fucking band! and yet in still instead of lambashing everyone, maybe u should take the time and search this resource center called the org and open ur eyes 2 what other people have 2 say. and my xamples u will find all over this place.

what i can tell from ur posts everytime someone provides u with some FACTS ur quick 2 thumb ur nose at people. but u will highly praise those that get ur "facts" and agree with u.

ButterscotchPimp said:

so what would u say he has been his tightest then? and we're talking about band members here

ButterscotchPimp said:

ladies and gentlemen i think we have found a love connection ..ain't that sweet?

both of u mf's don't know the funk as u so "claim" 2 and that's the facts

funk isn't just about a groove, its a feeling. but i digress

ButterscotchPimp said:

- Can you please recommend me other artists? I hope you arent talking about people like Maxwell, that are soul, not funk.

L4OATheOriginal said:

Don't start making sense in this silly ass thread.