wonder505 said:

I feel like i'm talking to a wall.
Are you responding to THIS thread, or EVERY OTHER THREAD THAT I'VE POSTED ON THAT YOU DON'T LIKE?

Stick to THIS one! I'm not slamming other's opinion! I'm looking for discussions/explanations! How many times do i have to write the same fucking thing?

Graycap23 said:

Okay.
4th behind who?
and ahead of who else?
and why?

Marrk said:

Exactly, that's why I'm still a HUGE fan of his. His diversity is amazing but to me, funk is the foundation of his musical base. Even when he isn't doing a funk song, elements of funk find their way into the song. Whether he's a funk artist or not, that is debatable but one thing is true, Prince is one funky dude!

Now I'm going to sit back and watch all of you argue over this point. I need some Popcorn and !
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Graycap23 said:

No, i'm not saying that.
I'm saying that Prince isn't dramatically funkier than they are.
That's my point.
I'm saying in the truest definition of the genre, Prince isn't even on the list.
And if some of you think otherwise, i'm trying to understand why.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Mix and match James Brown, P-Funk and Bootsy, Prince is 4th behind these cats.
Why? Cause my EARS and the inner place that music touches tell me so.

ButterscotchPimp said:

actually in reading your response to efan, you explained yourself better without the drama queen antics in your previous posts.

due to prince's diverse catalog i would not say he is all funk but there are funk elements in his songs which especially comes out during his live performances. just off the top of my head, theres joy in repitition, the ride, get on the boat, musiciolgy, dmsr, sott, glasscutter, the war, c-note...
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ButterscotchPimp said:

Lol.....u are killing me.

ButterscotchPimp said:

You have criticized their god. You should know better.

purplecam said:

See that's what i'm talking about. It's opinions like that, that i'm trying to understand.

How do you think that the foundation of Prince's musical base is "funk"? Or give me some examples of how you think that elements of "funk" find their their way into songs when he's not doing "funk".

Or better yet, give me some examples of Prince's "funk" songs?

ButterscotchPimp said:

Are you saying that by being born in Detroit you are somehow an expert on "Funk"? That's so incredibly elitist.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Scarlett Pussy
Most of Exodus cd 4 starters.

ButterscotchPimp said:

So what is the "truest definition of what "funk" is"?

You keep saying you know Prince ISN'T....but you don't say what IS.

Please don't name bands/artists. What are the charactistics of the music that make it true funk?

Frankly, Prince isn't "taken seriously" by a lot of people, so the "fact" that Detroit funkateers don't take him seriously is not a weighing factor IMHO.

I've never looked at Prince as the keeper of the funk, just as having a funk element and honestly, IMHO, Prince himself gives himself and his music acclaims it, I don't want to say hasn't earned, but I guess that's what I'm saying.

Before a project is even released....

"It's controversal!!!"

"An INSTANT Prince classic!!!" (I don't believe in "instant" classics...peeve of mine)

Or the parties at his house. They are whipped up to be SUCH a big deal, fans pay hundreds of dollars to go to his house (granted VERY COOL!!) wait forever into the wee hours of the morning, on their feet with no food water or bathroom break lest you lose your stage position, for less than 2 hours of a set list he's been rotating for at least 5 years. The show is in a level room so if you are not right up front you ain't seeing shit.



For someone who wants it to be "all about the music" Prince hypes his music and himself up HORRIFICALLY. (IMHO)


He does back up his hype with great live performances and solid cd's, so his talent is not in question.

In the end for each individual it boils down to their opinion. Opinion does not have to be based on fact. You can still have an opinion when fact proves it wrong. Opinion is a preference to some degree. One can love Prince because he's "more funky" than whomever....it's their opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it.


Rant over

wonder505 said:

Again, (and fuck you for the repeated drama queen crack) if you read the original thread that you're fucking responding to, you wouldn't have jumped to that conclusion in the first place. But again, you're carrying over from other threads and can't be bothered to read what i'm writing anyways. You don't like me. I get it. Stand in line. Over there. Take a number. Thanks.

txlaw said:

I'm not saying that simply because i was born in Detroit that makes me an expert. But if you're around something longer than most people, if you're around it when it's created that you might be a little more qualified to speak on it. There are "funk experts" that aren't from Detroit. Hell, Bootsy isn't from Detroit! Neither was JB! Shit, there are experts on the funk all over the globe. Come correct, now!

Graycap23 said:

Hide the Bone

ButterscotchPimp said:

another drama queenish response.

i did read what you wrote and edited my post to answer your question.

Graycap23 said:

Scarlet Pussy?????
Are you kidding me? A simple synth bass line with him and Sheila doing some shit? I like the song, but you'd hold that up as #4 behind anything from George, Bootsy, Sly or Betty?


I'll give you that Exodus was probably the closest that Prince ever got to real funk. But that was ONE album, and certainly doesn't place him #4 in the genre, does it? There's got to be more than that?

Genesia said:

I know. I couldn't help it today. It got to be too much!!!!

ButterscotchPimp said:

U asked 4 an example. I gave u one.

chocolate1 said:

Good call.

ButterscotchPimp said:

I'm not going to act like I am an expert in all things Funk cause I'm not but to me, I hear funk in songs like Endorphinemachine, Interactive, 2 songs that aren't funk. I hear it in the bass on those songs. Those are the only songs that I can find off the top of my head (I'm at work). For me, I feel the funk in his bass and drums. They get me to groove and move in a way that I don't move with other music. Maybe that isn't funk to you but it is for me.
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Graycap23 said:

So you're saying that Scarlet Pussy (which really isn't funk) and the Exodus album (which is close) places Prince on the #4 list in your mind for funk music?

BP, i understand what you're saying, and i agree with it to a point, but i think it's a case of 'the orger protests too much'.

i don't consider prince to be a funk artist either. i think he's a mainstream pop musician. he's taken elements from many different genres and fused them into his music. nothing wrong with that. but i wouldn't call what he does traditional funk. i don't think HE would call what he does traditional funk.

but i do think there are obvious nods to funk in more than a few of his songs. do those nods stand up with what those in the funk community consider to be the holy grail recordings of funk? oh, probably not. but so what? an homage is an homage, and influence is influence, regardless of how the end result comes out.

mick jagger was obviously influenced by the blues, but do you consider him a bluesman? he's a pop performer, though you can see and hear the music that influences him. the rolling stones wouldn't stand up to the blues hall of fame greats, but that's not the point. they set out to be a rock band, not blues pioneers. but is that a reason to completely dismiss the part of their sound that is influenced by blues?

i think it's a similar deal with prince and funk. sure, the funk is diluted as hell in prince's music, but i also think he uses funk as an INGREDIENT and not THE RECIPE.

i will say that sometimes prince has bugged me over the years when he'd go on and on and on in interviews about a new song or a new album that's supposed to be "oh so funky...i mean FONKY...oh lawd..." and i finally hear the music he's talking about and i'm like "EH?!"

maybe he's a little too close to his own music to always know what he's talking about, but if he's not funk, he's certainly had some close brushes with funky.

wonder505 said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

What part of an example is NOT clear? I'd be all damn day listing Prince funk songs.

Anxiety said:

very well put.

Anxiety said:

I know Anx. I get why Prince does it and i know in his mind he's "the fonkiest man on the planet". And i know that Prince used elements of funk in his music, and to be honest for a pop musician he's probably the BEST at that.

Again, i was speaking more to the Prince fan/fam who seems to act like Prince is so "funky" that they turn their noses at other artists for not being as "funky" or even worse, like penalize Wendy and Lisa for "holding him back from the funk"? I don't understand it, and i'm just trying to figure out where that comes from.

ButterscotchPimp said:

only if you do the same.

wonder505 said:

Nope. Again, i'm not going anywhere.
As much as ya'll may hate me, i'm stayin.

ButterscotchPimp said:

don't flatter yourself. nobody hates you. there are far more important things to hate in this world.