ButterscotchPimp said:

Well, its true.
I remember getting slammed on a thread once because I said that I listened to a Bela Fleck and the Flecktones CD all the way through and I put on some Prince afterwards and it seemed so much less evolved than the material I had just listened to, almost to the point where it was boring.
Then came the usual comments: Jazz players...too many notes, blah, blah, blah
Prince....more exiting to watch...blah, blah, blah
Madhouse...blah, blah, blah
Well, I guess you've never heard (fill in the blank) blah, blah, blah
Music snob...blah, blah, blah
The minions never disappoint. That's okay. The truth hurts sometimes.
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BlaqueKnight said:

I can imagine. Some in here don't want to hear about the Flecktones or the Wootens, cuz they don't know or don't care. Prince is God. That is all.

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[Edited 8/26/08 21:24pm]

BlaqueKnight said:

THANK YOU!

ButterscotchPimp said:

The revenge of the purists. The fact that Prince is not a jazz virtuioso, funk standard bearer or whatever is so besides the point. He's Prince. A clever genius who has his own unique sound, talents, vision and legacy. Wooten, George, etc. have all sang his praises. Music is not an athletic competition. It's about tone, art, texture and undefinable qualities. Do you think Wynton Marsalis, while collaborating with Willie Nelson, is saying he is not a unique talent because he cannot hang in a jam session? Prince is not a jazz artist and he has said so. Stevie Wonder does not have jazz chops but would you argue against his utter brilliance and musical contributions.

I don't think Bela, Wooten, Miles could be Prince. Let them create Housequake, If I Was Your Girlfriend or Dorothy Parker. Sometimes creating the perfect pop song is a more difficult "craft" than mesmerizing in a jam session There has never been a more complex artist than Prince. As a combination composer, songwriter, musician, live performer, genre definer, boundary and rule breaker, producer, cultural icon, dancer, arranger- he has no peer.

jdcxc said:

And the babbling of the KAK's. Prince "has no peer". Bullshit.
Again, from a pure music standpoint, Prince couldn't be Bela, Vic Wooten or Miles on his best fucking day. And certainly not lately. He's just a step above fucking Madonna, and that's purely from a longevity standpoint.

Housequake is not that god damn deep. It won't even be remembered in the "top 100 songs of all time" and ya'll damn well know it.

There are WAY more complex artists than Prince. He's just perpetuated the myth from a pop standpoint better than Madonna and MJ. Big fucking deal.

ButterscotchPimp said:

And that's the bigger point. From the "holy trinity of pop", Prince is the winner. Hands down. Ahead of Madonna for sure, and "slightly" ahead of MJ from a DIVERSITY standpoint. From a pure "pop" standpoint, MJ kicks his ass. And if you want to get into a popularity contest, as much as i hate to admit it, Madonna kicks his ass. Prince is the "Mozart" of the pop world. OF THE POP WORLD. When you boil down any of the specific genres of music, Prince gets credit for recognizing and having enough knowledge to "dabble" but that's where it should end. Prince isn't the "most complex artist" EVER. Not even close. Sorry.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Oh, quite acting like you don't like him. Wasn't that you in the front row screaming like a white lady? And with the Madonna reference you lose what little credibility you had. Stevie, Wooten, George Clinton, Miles, Roger Troutman, Wynton have all sang Prince's musical praises. How many Bela and Wooten songs are in that "top 100 all time" list? They'll probably be covering one of P's five. Not to mention the fact that P has been covered by most of the known musical world across genres.

ButterscotchPimp said:

U are embarrassing yourself.

ButterscotchPimp said:

U crack me up...U seem to be going after the hardcore fanatics that think Prince pisses purple Kool-Aid...And hey, it is what it is...But throughout your posts you've shown yourself to be the king of extremes...I don't know anyone (with grounded sense) that thinks Prince is on the same level with Miles with jazz or Jimmy with straight ahead guitar rock or as hardcore with the funk as George in his mid '70s prime...U seem to be grabbing at anything to continue this song and dance...Most folks just say that Prince was an versatile bastard and leave it at that...But playing the extreme card is another way for you to get a few bites on your bait...

The fact is your last argument has been exposed as a debate centered around your own personal taste in music in what constitutes as real funk...lol...And what was your crutch for what could have been a promising debate?...Because a few friends in the D said Prince was a joke when it came to funk...When folks started talking about their own conversations with great funk acts who have said Prince had the goods to funk it up u went back to the extreme card again with the "dispelling the myth that Prince was a God of Funk" (I'm still trying to figure out what level headed Prince fan would make such a case?)...

For real homie, just cut it out...lol...U didn't even answer to the balanced and knowledgeable posts that punched so many holes in your argument that I can make a swiss cheese sandwich...

Bottom line: Prince is a great artist who at times is the victim of hyperbole just like many of the legends like Miles, The Beatles, Bowie, Sly and Aretha...Does such hyperbole take away from their greatness?...No...

I suggest you just hold on to your purists extremes of what constitues as real jazz, real funk, real rock, real R&B, real punk, real classical, real soul, real polka music, yada yada yada....
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Stop the hate; Life it aint real funky, unless its got that pop

Graycap23 said:

let him carry on - it's very entertaining
seriously tho, i dunno what he's hoping 2 achieve, i mean trying 2 suggest prince ain't proper funky...

murph said:

This cat is NOT worth your well stated response.

This thread:

ButterscotchPimp said:

where were u when the 21 nights hit london and the threads that were started? and how some of us diehards were saying that the shows were boring cause he was stuck in the 80's leading up 2 those saying "that's what we like" or "he has 2 cater 2 the general public" bullshit sayings. or even those that did say the superbowl was BORING and how the 80's parade of folks were coming in saying it was the best per4mance ever! just suggest that prince does a show based just upon his last 12 years and here comes the knives ready 2 stab u in the back cause u would rather want prince 2 grow and try new things live. naw let's cue up 1984 again ...

ButterscotchPimp said:

then u should have either heard the ona aftershows or shows then or go back 2 the gold experience tour

dear blaqknight,

i do know funk and i'm a musician as well ..here u come johnny come lately in2 the game and question whether i know funk..yes i know funk thank u very much and if u read the whole sequence of things, then u would have found that it was a comparasion between fruit at the bottom and scarlet pussy.


so what makes u funk xpert anyway?

BlaqueKnight said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

Yes Scarlet pussy is dramatically funkier than "Fruit at the bottom" With SP the spacing of the pocket almost throws your back out. FATB is direct driving beat. Prince has done this too, but that is more rockin' than boppin'. Miles gave P the compliment on his ability to use space. That's good enough for me.

FYI - you asked about avoiding balanced arguments and have gone 13 pages without comment to mine. It's not mind blowing, but still the same.
Fact - Prince isn't just a funk artist - he's complete artist... without limitations or bounderies. Would you brand him with slave too?

L4OATheOriginal said:

You know, after that whole 'September is a funk song' bit, I highly doubt it


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jdcxc said:

Again, for the millionth time like i've stated on more than one occasion i'm a Prince fan. So ya'll come keep coming at me with the same lame ass shit, and i'll still keep saying the same shit.

You can keep quoting how whatever music icons have "sang Prince's musical praises". There's a difference in someone asking you in an article that you KNOW is going to be printed what you think of someone, and sitting around with friends/peers over drinks and answering the same question. And whether ya'll want to believe it or not, Prince in a lot of musical circles isn't praised as the "greatest musician that ever lived". Far fucking from it.

And now, according to you Prince is what "the most covered artist among genres", eh? He's been covered more than say, hmmm..... The Beatles?

Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. KAK.

Graycap23 said:

Not even a little. And i've got an inbox full of orgnotes from people that actually think this conversation is LONG OVERDUE in here that says otherwise. I just seem to have the energy to be the one to say what needs to be said right now.

chocolate1 said:

co-damn-sign

murph said:

Look, son. You want me to acknowledge that you're not one of the KAK's in here that think that Prince is the end all be all musically, fine. You get a gold star. Happy?

HOWEVER, i keep reading thread after thread, and post after post from idiots that actually think that Prince is on the same level as Miles with jazz or JIMI with guitar, or with funk as George. And for some reason you seem to want to jump on the side of those idiots rather than err on the side of reason. And that's fine. Maybe you think it'll get you laid from some cutie KAK that you've been jonesing for, fuck if i know. And i actually don't care.

I've said on so many fucking posts on this thread that Prince created his own sound, deserves to be filed in his own genre, and is as talented as all get out that frankly i'm fucking sick and tired of typing it anymore, and that's not good enough for some people. And again, i really don't give a shit. Not here to make friends, really not here to try and get laid. So if i'm the least fucking liked person on the Org, believe me i can sleep quite well at night (and will this evening fo SHO).

Now i'm not going to take the fucking bait that's been laid out, and because ya'll want to "namedrop" some people that are down with the funk that have "praised Prince" and gave him a funk card, i'm not going to turn around and call bullshit. I will say THIS. SOME of the names that have been listed on this thread as supposed "Prince praisers" LAUGH AT HIM when it comes to the FUNK. I don't have to namedrop who i know, and when it was said. Don't care if no one believes me. Prince isn't a "funk legend" and will never be. He won't even be mentioned when the discussion is to be had.

And this bullshit about who's posts i've "ducked" and what not is just that. BULLSHIT. This thread wouldn't be going on 20 FUCKING PAGES LONG if it weren't for my long-winded, opinionated ass going on and on with whoever i think has a point for the most part. So ya'll keep coming with the bullshit, and i'll keep checking ya'll.

Believe it.

Next!!!!!

L4OATheOriginal said:

dude. here's a newsflash.

I HAVE A LIFE.
I HAVE A JOB.
I HAVE MY OWN BUSINESS.
I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND.

So i'm not that sorry, that i don't spend every waking minute on the Org dissecting every aspect of Prince's life/career. I really don't give that much of a shit.

I check in every now and again, and if i see a topic that gets me going/stirs my interest i post on it. Period.

And good fucking lord, is every response to anything negative about Prince "awww you just want it to be the 80's again!"???? that shit is WEAK! no ones saying ANYTHING like that! do you have anything else to bring to the table other than that bullshit???

L4OATheOriginal said:

yeah. the Gold Experience tour. because that was Prince at his "tightest" fo sho. gotcha.

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Riiiiight.

Rev said:

And what kind of KAK bullshit is that? "would i brand him with slave"? huh?

Scarlet Pussy isn't dramatically funkier than FOTB. the spacing of the pocket throws your back out. You don't even know what the fuck that means. Miles gave Prince the "complement on his ability to use space"? Where do ya'll get this bullshit? Is there a church where they give you a book of purple scripture to quote from? Miles was fucking old as hell and damn near insane at the end and him and Prince hung out for what, a couple of months? Ya'll act like he raised Prince and taught him some shit!

Ugh. the delusions are never-ending on here.

JonnyApplesauce said:

well, that's original. thanks, i guess.

jdcxc said:

You lost me at "The". Wipe your nose. There's something brown on it. Did somebody open up a NPGMC branch in here?
[Edited 8/27/08 0:43am]