blackguitaristz said:

Oh come on. He's dead for God's sake. Show a little love for Roger.

savvy said:

co-sign.
Hey and Roger showed love for prince in "It doesnt really matter"

savvy said:

Hey, what in the fuck are u talking about? I have ALWAYS championed my love for Roger on this site...way more than your ass, so you are definately in no postion to try to school anyone, lest of all me, on "showing some love or respect for Roger". You've got me twisted up with somebody else with that bullshit. I've shown more love for Roger and Zapp than anybody else on this site. By me mentioning that Zapp was tipping their hat musically to Prince with "Itchin For Your Twitch" was in no means showing any disrespect towards Zapp.

blackguitaristz said:

Someone took me a bit seriously.

savvy said:

Yeah, and that someone was me. And u know why? Cuz you're ass was serious. U were dead serious just like I'm dead serious. Don't ever come at me like that with some shit that I NEVER implied in the first place. You and soulstar, neither of u know what the fuck ya'll are talking about when it comes to Roger and myself. And the love and respect that I have always had for the man.

blackguitaristz said:

You saw it...
I tried to be nice...
But you want to take a shot at me about Roger??

ok dipshit...

I knew them all better than you did junior. I knew Roger, Lester, Clete (bet you don't even know his real name smart ass) Dale Groat, his wife Shirley, Robbie.... I was tight with the whole crew. I was fucking devastated when Roger died. And now after I lightly joke about love for Roger (fact of the matter is agreed with your analogy about the "selective sample") you want to come at me sideways about the Troutman family?? You can fuck right off. Buzz me when YOU kknow what the fuck YOU'RE talking about.

You know, i really was trying to avoid doing this but it's gotten to the point where i can't ignore it anymore. What's going on in the Wendy & Lisa thread has pushed me to my breaking point.

Not telling anyone else how to think. Like all things Prince related, everyone has an opinion. Like the one i keep hearing lately about how the Revolution wasn't "funky". Or was so much less "funky" than later incarnations of the band. Or when i hear another artist being put down for not being as "funky" as Prince.

Well here's the deal i'd like to discuss now.



Prince isn't that "funky". Not in the purest definition of the genre. Sure he likes to throw the word around, but in the PUREST sense of the genre he's not even taken that seriously.

Short of George using Prince to get yet another label home for a minute, no one in the P-Funk camp takes Prince seriously from a "funk" standpoint. To be blunt, he's a joke in the real "funk" camp. He's LAUGHED AT. He's respected as a musician, and for having a lengthy career, but Prince is so fucking far from the "standard bearer" for funk that's it's not even funny. I'm not pulling this opinion out of my ass (although i know i'm going to get accused of doing just that). I'm in Detroit and know and have talked to quite a few heavy hitters over the years who are main-stays in the funk community and Prince isn't taken seriously with these guys AT ALL.

I mean short of borrowing some stage tricks from James Brown, as well as some horn inflections (also borrowed from JB'S) in the TRUEST sense of the genre, how is Prince really that "funky"?

So explain to me how to some of you, Prince became the "keeper of the FUNK"?

"fuck off waaay harder..."

Literature straight from a fucking bathroom wall.

Sexy Dancer (which major fuck act Zapp felt inclined to borrow from with "Itchin For Your Twitch"

z, savvy... damn, you guys are taking this to a whole new level I see

z, I think savvy started the whole 'don't disrespect Zapp' thing because of a typo in your post, "major fuck act Zapp"

blackguitaristz said

In this case, I'll use Funkadelic as an example. Funkadelic, was a classic example of a band that played funk as well as rock. From Super Stupid, Alice In My Fantasies and the title tracks of Free Your Mind and Maggot Brain to of course Undisco Kidd, How Do You View You, One Nation Under A Groove and (Not Just) Knee Deep. Prince patterned himself after this i.e Sexy Dancer, I Wanna Be Your Lover to Bambi, Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad all on one album. He even established from his first joint that he was out to mix it up musically i.e. "Soft and Wet" (funk/disco) to "I'm Your's" (rock). But with all of P's genre mixing, he's come with some bonafide funk based tracks:
Just to name a few:
Sexy Dancer (which major FUNK act Zapp felt inclined to borrow from with "Itchin For Your Twitch"
Let's Work
Controversy
Lady Cab Driver
DMSR
1999
Erotic City
She's Always In My Hair
Hello
Of course there are many more examples.
Anotherlover

I've been reading along, and except for my song contribution, I wasn't sure where to jump in. I will say that what has bugged me is that sometimes people on HERE don't understand the differences. For example, someone will start a thread like, "Name your favorite Prince ballad" and people will start listing songs that are clearly NOT ballads.

So what I'm saying is that it's not really fair to rip into Prince for the misinformation of the people who try to categorize him. I don't think he's a funk master, I don't think he's a rock master... I think he's a master of PRINCE music.
In the words of Jamie Foxx tryin' to be Ray: "He do what he do, Baby!"

Just my

Soulstar77A said:

Hey soulstar..my post goes to u as well..AND it was also on "Itchin For Your Twitch".
[Edited 8/25/08 12:25pm]

Hey soulstar..my post goes to u as well..AND it was also on "Itchin For Your Twitch".
[Edited 8/25/08 12:25pm]

blackguitaristz said:

Oh calm down please. All this attack because you dont know how to type "funk"
Hey you know what: Unlike all the other guys here I didnt know Roger Troutman when he was alive, nor do i know George Clinton personally or Prince or Sly Stone or Bootsy Collins!
What i know is, that I'm really sick of this thread. So this is my last post
[Edited 8/25/08 14:36pm]

..to be blunt, he's a joke in the real "funk" camp. He's LAUGHED AT. He's respected as a musician, and for having a lengthy career, but Prince is so fucking far from the "standard bearer" for funk that's it's not even funny. I'm not pulling this opinion out of my ass (although i know i'm going to get accused of doing just that). I'm in Detroit and know and have talked to quite a few heavy hitters over the years who are main-stays in the funk community and Prince isn't taken seriously with these guys AT ALL..

LONG ASSSS THREAD!

Because I'm lazy can someone recap for me, sumthing sumthing Prince not a true funk guy or something....

violetblues said:

Well basically, Butterscotch, the OP, saw in another thread a bunch of orgers claiming P to be the forefather of the funk or w/e. So he made this thread to see and discuss why others view prince as this great funk artist or w.e. And his own claim is that although he thinks a lot of P's songs are funky, they're not funk songs, in the purest sense of the genre. He also says people in the funk camp to take P seriously. Some people agree with what he's saying.

Then you have pretty much everyone else say P's songs are FUNK songs; just because they're not the funk off the past, P took some of its elements and evolved it or created his on style of funk. And some of them mention funk greats who have praised Prince.

So naturally its pages upon pages because grown ass adults cant have a simple discussion regarding P's funk and its pages of name-calling, bashing, sarcasm, misunderstandings, off topic opinions you know, typical online forum stuff.