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Printablehollywooddove said: DreamyPopRoyalty said: Actually, I find it very difficult to believe Prince was a "trailblazer" or to have mastered of any genre.
Why so skeptical? Because nobody talks about him in that manner. I rarely hear him talked about at all and in those cases, it was because people thought he was a freak or because they think he's great in all respects. He's such an under-rated artist, which I find to be very sad. Truth is that I never thought of him to be a "funk" artist and never heard him put in that category until I came here. Don't you think if he was that it'd be as common knowledge as the fact that he was involved in "Purple Rain?" It is rare when a person can just be themself and have such a following of people who like not only the uniqueness of what they do, but who they are. This is what Prince has achieved. He has a definate unique style, that is not only singular, but enjoyed by many. Being different is easy. Being different but also good, now that is what makes a star. I'm sorry, i think I have to disagree with you on this one. i really don't think that this is so rare. I agree that prince was a different sort of artist and maybe he bridged a R&B/ standard chart divide in a new way.... but I don't think that he is anywhere near being alone or without peers in being unique and good. This idea that Prince is without peers (and it is one I see alot of here).. I try and respect this view. You have your right to your opinion... but I when I see someone write a post ike this I get a little irritated (and that doesn't happen alot). I love prince, and have listen to nothing but Prince for 3 months (coming out of it now thank god)... he is definately special but hey! he just got into the rock and roll hall of fame.. so how is he underrated? And he is in very good company (not to mention the artists not inducted who are also 'different and good'). I think what irritation is on behalf of those other artists to whom I also feel a weird sense of loyalty. I think I also feely a little sorry for people who truly beleive this, because I feel that they must have been deprived of really good music somewhere along the line. | |
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robinesque said: hollywooddove said: It is rare when a person can just be themself and have such a following of people who like not only the uniqueness of what they do, but who they are. This is what Prince has achieved. He has a definate unique style, that is not only singular, but enjoyed by many. Being different is easy. Being different but also good, now that is what makes a star. I'm sorry, i think I have to disagree with you on this one. i really don't think that this is so rare. I agree that prince was a different sort of artist and maybe he bridged a R&B/ standard chart divide in a new way.... but I don't think that he is anywhere near being alone or without peers in being unique and good. This idea that Prince is without peers (and it is one I see alot of here).. I try and respect this view. You have your right to your opinion... but I when I see someone write a post ike this I get a little irritated (and that doesn't happen alot). I love prince, and have listen to nothing but Prince for 3 months (coming out of it now thank god)... he is definately special but hey! he just got into the rock and roll hall of fame.. so how is he underrated? And he is in very good company (not to mention the artists not inducted who are also 'different and good'). I think what irritation is on behalf of those other artists to whom I also feel a weird sense of loyalty. I think I also feely a little sorry for people who truly beleive this, because I feel that they must have been deprived of really good music somewhere along the line. PREACH!!!!!  http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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Wow, how did I get taken so wrongly? Oh yeh. I didn't take the time to elaborate and I opened the door for someone else to put meaning in my words. My fault.
I'm sorry, i think I have to disagree with you on this one. i really don't think that this is so rare.>>> his wierdness is rare I agree that prince was a different sort of artist and maybe he bridged a R&B/ standard chart divide in a new way.... but I don't think that he is anywhere near being alone or without peers in being unique and good.>>>Didn't mean to imply a universal defintion of good... I am mainly speaking of P's style here. It is unique, and for lack of a better word at the time, I called it good, and what I really MEANT was his style has attracted a fan base. This idea that Prince is without peers (and it is one I see alot of here).. I try and respect this view. You have your right to your opinion... but I when I see someone write a post ike this I get a little irritated (and that doesn't happen alot). NEVER said that P was without peers. where did that come from? he is definately special but hey! he just got into the rock and roll hall of fame.. so how is he underrated? >>> Did I say he was underrated? And he is in very good company (not to mention the artists not inducted who are also 'different and good'). I think what irritation is on behalf of those other artists to whom I also feel a weird sense of loyalty. I did not say they were not out there I think I also feely a little sorry for people who truly beleive this, because I feel that they must have been deprived of really good music somewhere along the line. Okay, all I meant was that Prince had his own style, he has stuck with it, and it has worked for him. It has made him a star. (I will never use the word good again.) We are all so full of  here | |
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hollywooddove said: Wow, how did I get taken so wrongly? Oh yeh. I didn't take the time to elaborate and I opened the door for someone else to put meaning in my words. My fault.
I'm sorry, i think I have to disagree with you on this one. i really don't think that this is so rare.>>> his wierdness is rare I agree that prince was a different sort of artist and maybe he bridged a R&B/ standard chart divide in a new way.... but I don't think that he is anywhere near being alone or without peers in being unique and good.>>>Didn't mean to imply a universal defintion of good... I am mainly speaking of P's style here. It is unique, and for lack of a better word at the time, I called it good, and what I really MEANT was his style has attracted a fan base. This idea that Prince is without peers (and it is one I see alot of here).. I try and respect this view. You have your right to your opinion... but I when I see someone write a post ike this I get a little irritated (and that doesn't happen alot). NEVER said that P was without peers. where did that come from? he is definately special but hey! he just got into the rock and roll hall of fame.. so how is he underrated? >>> Did I say he was underrated? And he is in very good company (not to mention the artists not inducted who are also 'different and good'). I think what irritation is on behalf of those other artists to whom I also feel a weird sense of loyalty. I did not say they were not out there I think I also feely a little sorry for people who truly beleive this, because I feel that they must have been deprived of really good music somewhere along the line. Okay, all I meant was that Prince had his own style, he has stuck with it, and it has worked for him. It has made him a star. (I will never use the word good again.) Ok.. I actually meant to add that my post shouldn't be taken as an attack on you... (but I had to rush out and I didn't get a chance to edit... I apologise. It was more meant as acknowledgement of my feelings towards a particular viewpoint that some have expressed on various threads, including this one. So, while I quoted you and responded to you, it may have been more appropriate to respond to some of the earlier posts. The other post I quoted said that he was underrated. My response was meant as a general comment. When I say that I try to respect this view... I do actually mean it. But sometimes I still feel that physical reaction of irritation. I think that something else is also going on... which has to do with the throwing around of terms like Hater and KAK, as if there are only two categories of prince fan. As if either of these are really all that valid anyway. I think that 'KAK's' (or rather people accused of this who think Prince is alone in his genius) probably just need to be exposed to a wider range of music styles and the 'Hater's' (and I was king of suprised to discover that i was one) are simply people who love Prince's music but love a love other artists just a enthusiastically because they are just as influential (in multiple ways), also pushing music in new directions, being quirky and taking massive artistic risks... and all this stuff gets eaten up precisly because it is new and fresh. This is just the evolution of music and it's a continuous process. Some artists like Prince (and a multitude of others) have more impact than others. Prince had a huge impact in Pop, but surely even here he is not alone. So.. I did understand what you meant by good and weird.. I just think he is one pearl on a long string. I take nothing away from Prince, but i do not beleive that his impact/influence exceeds that of a large number of other artists... For the purpose of this topic (to get back to it finally)... I would say that I do not beleive that his influence/impact (and I am not denying it) on Funk exeeded that of Rick James. this is just my opinion based on what i have read and heard.... I'm happy for you to disagree. Again, apologies for not editing my post. [Edited 9/4/08 0:02am] | |
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I've said this before, but I believe Prince had a brand of funk that was not pure funk but was pure Prince, idiosyncratic and kooky. I'm glad other people can see that. His funk was missing a bit of the hard edge of the main guys and I think that's because of where he was from. His funk didn't quite have the grit and aggression of true funk, so I would say that his funk was mutant funk. Still was funky as hell though. | |
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robinesque said: hollywooddove said: Wow, how did I get taken so wrongly? Oh yeh. I didn't take the time to elaborate and I opened the door for someone else to put meaning in my words. My fault.
I'm sorry, i think I have to disagree with you on this one. i really don't think that this is so rare.>>> his wierdness is rare I agree that prince was a different sort of artist and maybe he bridged a R&B/ standard chart divide in a new way.... but I don't think that he is anywhere near being alone or without peers in being unique and good.>>>Didn't mean to imply a universal defintion of good... I am mainly speaking of P's style here. It is unique, and for lack of a better word at the time, I called it good, and what I really MEANT was his style has attracted a fan base. This idea that Prince is without peers (and it is one I see alot of here).. I try and respect this view. You have your right to your opinion... but I when I see someone write a post ike this I get a little irritated (and that doesn't happen alot). NEVER said that P was without peers. where did that come from? he is definately special but hey! he just got into the rock and roll hall of fame.. so how is he underrated? >>> Did I say he was underrated? And he is in very good company (not to mention the artists not inducted who are also 'different and good'). I think what irritation is on behalf of those other artists to whom I also feel a weird sense of loyalty. I did not say they were not out there I think I also feely a little sorry for people who truly beleive this, because I feel that they must have been deprived of really good music somewhere along the line. Okay, all I meant was that Prince had his own style, he has stuck with it, and it has worked for him. It has made him a star. (I will never use the word good again.) Ok.. I actually meant to add that my post shouldn't be taken as an attack on you... (but I had to rush out and I didn't get a chance to edit... I apologise. It was more meant as acknowledgement of my feelings towards a particular viewpoint that some have expressed on various threads, including this one. So, while I quoted you and responded to you, it may have been more appropriate to respond to some of the earlier posts. The other post I quoted said that he was underrated. My response was meant as a general comment. When I say that I try to respect this view... I do actually mean it. But sometimes I still feel that physical reaction of irritation. I think that something else is also going on... which has to do with the throwing around of terms like Hater and KAK, as if there are only two categories of prince fan. As if either of these are really all that valid anyway. I think that 'KAK's' (or rather people accused of this who think Prince is alone in his genius) probably just need to be exposed to a wider range of music styles and the 'Hater's' (and I was king of suprised to discover that i was one) are simply people who love Prince's music but love a love other artists just a enthusiastically because they are just as influential (in multiple ways), also pushing music in new directions, being quirky and taking massive artistic risks... and all this stuff gets eaten up precisly because it is new and fresh. This is just the evolution of music and it's a continuous process. Some artists like Prince (and a multitude of others) have more impact than others. Prince had a huge impact in Pop, but surely even here he is not alone. So.. I did understand what you meant by good and weird.. I just think he is one pearl on a long string. I take nothing away from Prince, but i do not beleive that his impact/influence exceeds that of a large number of other artists... For the purpose of this topic (to get back to it finally)... I would say that I do not beleive that his influence/impact (and I am not denying it) on Funk exeeded that of Rick James. this is just my opinion based on what i have read and heard.... I'm happy for you to disagree. Again, apologies for not editing my post. [Edited 9/4/08 0:02am] We share a lot of the same ideas, my initial post was vague and over generalized, so it would be easy to take a large number of meanings from it. I don't know if P has had an inflence on funk, to tell you the truth. I have listened to some funk, I know it when I hear it, but I am no resource on it. I believe funk has an influence on P, cause he writes music that can be funky. Even though there is a funk twist on it all, I still see him as a r/b pop artist that sometimes gets a funk flavor on top. It's almost easy to take a song like Gett Off and call it funk. To me it is not, it is a P style song with a funky groove. Once again, I am not a resource for funk knowledge. We share ideas in here, and everything I say is totally speculation on this subject. I have never been a musician, never really studied music in a professional or educational sense, so I am sure that is a world of knowledge I do not know. We are all so full of here | |
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hollywooddove said: robinesque said: Ok.. I actually meant to add that my post shouldn't be taken as an attack on you... (but I had to rush out and I didn't get a chance to edit... I apologise. It was more meant as acknowledgement of my feelings towards a particular viewpoint that some have expressed on various threads, including this one. So, while I quoted you and responded to you, it may have been more appropriate to respond to some of the earlier posts. The other post I quoted said that he was underrated. My response was meant as a general comment. When I say that I try to respect this view... I do actually mean it. But sometimes I still feel that physical reaction of irritation. I think that something else is also going on... which has to do with the throwing around of terms like Hater and KAK, as if there are only two categories of prince fan. As if either of these are really all that valid anyway. I think that 'KAK's' (or rather people accused of this who think Prince is alone in his genius) probably just need to be exposed to a wider range of music styles and the 'Hater's' (and I was king of suprised to discover that i was one) are simply people who love Prince's music but love a love other artists just a enthusiastically because they are just as influential (in multiple ways), also pushing music in new directions, being quirky and taking massive artistic risks... and all this stuff gets eaten up precisly because it is new and fresh. This is just the evolution of music and it's a continuous process. Some artists like Prince (and a multitude of others) have more impact than others. Prince had a huge impact in Pop, but surely even here he is not alone. So.. I did understand what you meant by good and weird.. I just think he is one pearl on a long string. I take nothing away from Prince, but i do not beleive that his impact/influence exceeds that of a large number of other artists... For the purpose of this topic (to get back to it finally)... I would say that I do not beleive that his influence/impact (and I am not denying it) on Funk exeeded that of Rick James. this is just my opinion based on what i have read and heard.... I'm happy for you to disagree. Again, apologies for not editing my post. [Edited 9/4/08 0:02am] We share a lot of the same ideas, my initial post was vague and over generalized, so it would be easy to take a large number of meanings from it. I don't know if P has had an inflence on funk, to tell you the truth. I have listened to some funk, I know it when I hear it, but I am no resource on it. I believe funk has an influence on P, cause he writes music that can be funky. Even though there is a funk twist on it all, I still see him as a r/b pop artist that sometimes gets a funk flavor on top. It's almost easy to take a song like Gett Off and call it funk. To me it is not, it is a P style song with a funky groove. Once again, I am not a resource for funk knowledge. We share ideas in here, and everything I say is totally speculation on this subject. I have never been a musician, never really studied music in a professional or educational sense, so I am sure that is a world of knowledge I do not know. I agree. See? I'm not a monster! http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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And so, the sail of this thread has finally lost wind. We are all so full of here | |
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hollywooddove said: And so, the sail of this thread has finally lost wind.
Apparently. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ButterscotchPimp said: hollywooddove said: And so, the sail of this thread has finally lost wind.
Apparently. Dood I did recognize u with the new avator. We are all so full of here | |
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hollywooddove said: ButterscotchPimp said: Apparently. Dood I did recognize u with the new avator. Yeah, i changed it a few days ago. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ButterscotchPimp said: hollywooddove said: We share a lot of the same ideas, my initial post was vague and over generalized, so it would be easy to take a large number of meanings from it. I don't know if P has had an inflence on funk, to tell you the truth. I have listened to some funk, I know it when I hear it, but I am no resource on it. I believe funk has an influence on P, cause he writes music that can be funky. Even though there is a funk twist on it all, I still see him as a r/b pop artist that sometimes gets a funk flavor on top. It's almost easy to take a song like Gett Off and call it funk. To me it is not, it is a P style song with a funky groove. Once again, I am not a resource for funk knowledge. We share ideas in here, and everything I say is totally speculation on this subject. I have never been a musician, never really studied music in a professional or educational sense, so I am sure that is a world of knowledge I do not know. I agree. See? I'm not a monster! I hope no one has any hate for you. It's been fun. I wish more threads were as challenging and interesting. | |
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jdcxc said: ButterscotchPimp said: I agree. See? I'm not a monster! I hope no one has any hate for you. It's been fun. I wish more threads were as challenging and interesting. Bad man small circles, big wheels!
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ButterscotchPimp said: So explain to me how to some of you, Prince became the "keeper of the FUNK"?
funk is a feeling not a "style" it is inside every note Prince has ever recorded if you cant hear it or feel it, you are not listening with your soul | |
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you are absolutely correct, however, the feeling of funk is in your face, aggressive urbane. Prince is not really that in it's strictest definition. Listen to "Money" by the O'jays or "Fire" by whichever band sang that or any of rick james' live stuff and you'll know what we mean when we say Prince is not funk emotionally. Nothing he's recorded is even remotely that in your face. | |
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mozfonky said: Listen to "Money" by the O'jays or "Fire" by whichever band sang that The band that sang "Fire" was the great Ohio Players.SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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mozfonky said: you are absolutely correct, however, the feeling of funk is in your face, aggressive urbane. Prince is not really that in it's strictest definition. Listen to "Money" by the O'jays or "Fire" by whichever band sang that or any of rick james' live stuff and you'll know what we mean when we say Prince is not funk emotionally. Nothing he's recorded is even remotely that in your face.
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Rightly said: jdcxc said: I hope no one has any hate for you. It's been fun. I wish more threads were as challenging and interesting. Bad man It's raised my expectations of the org, where my brain expects a bit of a work out after logging in..... Sadly this forum has reverted, and i have turned to the P&R forum to catch up on US politics instead... we need a new heated discussion about P and his music... any ideas? How about the idea that there are an infinite musical possibilities yet to be discovered and there is no reason to think P has really run out of ideas? (I can't start it, I'm a girl and not a big enough a-hole.... no-one listens to me  ) | |
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union119 said: mozfonky said: you are absolutely correct, however, the feeling of funk is in your face, aggressive urbane. Prince is not really that in it's strictest definition. Listen to "Money" by the O'jays or "Fire" by whichever band sang that or any of rick james' live stuff and you'll know what we mean when we say Prince is not funk emotionally. Nothing he's recorded is even remotely that in your face.
ur right. its not in my face. its between my legs Your crotch gets 'funky' when listening to P?..... waaaaay too much info  | |
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prince is one funky mothafuckin individual
have you not listen to his first three albums? Pure PHONK! plus all the sexual things he sings about is the embodiment funk essence. he may have gone more rock towards the latter half of his career but he started off funking around like most would wish they could -disciple of funk You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam! | |
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i am so happy to be here to educate you butter...prince and only prince has taken funk to the evolution...yes there were those before him BUT...he still has it and always will....i love you babe...but not like this here guitar!!....you always have to remember that you can be replaced because...if you can be bought then you can be sold...prince has not let go and as far as i'm living...he will not be replaced as the father of funk...he has raised it and transformed it for this generation where... we can all understand it's meaning...we should all appreciate that this man, prince has taken time out to educate us like no other...that's the differnce with being a MEGA-STAR and a one-hit wonder...mzsexybaby  ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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jdcxc said: ButterscotchPimp said: I agree. See? I'm not a monster! I hope no one has any hate for you. It's been fun. I wish more threads were as challenging and interesting. Thanks. I really had fun with this thread too. Although, i'm not gonna lie it stirred up some shit i've never seen on here. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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Rightly said: jdcxc said: I hope no one has any hate for you. It's been fun. I wish more threads were as challenging and interesting. Bad man That's what i've been told! http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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union119 said: ButterscotchPimp said: So explain to me how to some of you, Prince became the "keeper of the FUNK"?
funk is a feeling not a "style" it is inside every note Prince has ever recorded if you cant hear it or feel it, you are not listening with your soul Well, that's been the discussion. To some funk is a feeling, to me it's a genre. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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robinesque said: Rightly said: Bad man It's raised my expectations of the org, where my brain expects a bit of a work out after logging in..... Sadly this forum has reverted, and i have turned to the P&R forum to catch up on US politics instead... we need a new heated discussion about P and his music... any ideas? How about the idea that there are an infinite musical possibilities yet to be discovered and there is no reason to think P has really run out of ideas? (I can't start it, I'm a girl and not a big enough a-hole.... no-one listens to me )Wow. Thanks for the kind words, although i don't know if i can live up to raising anyone's expectations for the Org. I LIKE your topic idea, because i actually do think that Prince has run out of ideas. I think that it happens to all the great artists eventually. And of course i'm a big enough asshole to start that! Although i think i might be busy with this thread again cuz there's some stuff that i feel compelled respond to. And for the record, i didn't fire this thing up again. It got up like a zombie!!! http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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minneapolisFunq said: prince is one funky mothafuckin individual
have you not listen to his first three albums? Pure PHONK! plus all the sexual things he sings about is the embodiment funk essence. he may have gone more rock towards the latter half of his career but he started off funking around like most would wish they could -disciple of funk (groan) here we go again. look. just because some of ya'll like to say that Prince is "funk" and then you think because you spell it in a cute way (fonk, phonk, phunk) that it reinforces your argument somehow. and let me see if i understand what you're saying. you are saying that For You (disco), Prince (more disco) and Dirty Mind (new wave/rock) are all funk records. and that you are a disciple of "funk". really? you seem pretty clueless on the topic to be a "disciple" to me..... http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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mzkqueen03 said: i am so happy to be here to educate you butter...prince and only prince has taken funk to the evolution...yes there were those before him BUT...he still has it and always will....i love you babe...but not like this here guitar!!....you always have to remember that you can be replaced because...if you can be bought then you can be sold...prince has not let go and as far as i'm living...he will not be replaced as the father of funk...he has raised it and transformed it for this generation where... we can all understand it's meaning...we should all appreciate that this man, prince has taken time out to educate us like no other...that's the differnce with being a MEGA-STAR and a one-hit wonder...mzsexybaby
are ya'll really going to get on me for calling this chick a KAK? i mean am i even supposed to bother to try and respond to that? [Edited 9/9/08 7:01am] http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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there are many styles of funk. it isnt limited to one sound. stop trying to designate what F U N K should be. funk can be whataver u want it 2b
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are ya'll really going to get on me for calling this chick a KAK? i mean am i even supposed to bother to try and respond to that? [Edited 9/9/08 7:01am] Chill on calling people KAKS or idiots for not agreeing with you already. I haven’t read this whole thread so forgive me if I’m repeating this question. What, in your opinion are the top 20 "PURE" funk songs,...so it can help me understand where you are coming from. someone else mentioned "Money" and "Fire" as funk songs, ...heck I always thought they were just some of the baddest RnB songs ever written, but FUNK?....I dunno, but that’s me. So please your top 20 "Pure" Funk songs [Edited 9/9/08 17:51pm] | |
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Some of my faves in no particular order
Flashlight - Parliament Atomic Dog- George Clinton Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Again) -Sly Stone Stevie Wonder- Superstition James Brown- The Payback Zapp- More Bounce The Time - Get it Up Prince- Bob George James Brown- There was a Time Stevie Wonder- Living For The City | |
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