Wow, what a topic! Yeah Prince is making fun of white people because so many of them really can't dance. I always get a kick out of watching them dance because you never know what you're going to get with them. The one who looks like they would be able to dance their ass off is the one who trips all over himself and the one who looks like they can't do much of anything will show black folks how dancing is supposed to be done. It's strange like that.

I think that it was Prince just being funny in the song. It was a few years before I realized that when he was saying 1 2 3 CLAP, it was for the white people. It's all good though. God knows there are plenty of my fellow black folks that be falling all over themselves too. Even with that, the funk finds a way to bring us closer together, whether any of us have rhythm or not.

That is so true.



I know of one lady in particular who only wants to dance with someone who loves her.

Thanks for your reaction. I think i understand what you are trying to say: sentiments and emotions are always involved when it comes to statements concering 'racial' issues, and historic situations and events have a large influence on those feelings.

But when you look at the subjects of racism and discrimination in a very 'sec' (strict) way, i doubt if its really beneficial for the concerned groups and (as i would much rather like to see and say) individuals, to maintain such a 'gray' area of (unspoken) graduations.

Its like saying: black people have more freedom to express prejudices, because their ancestors were threated in an unjust way.
But the danger of using that 'frame of thinking' is that you (purposely or not) are helding contemporary white people accountable for the actions of their ancestors.
And thats a way of thinking i thoroughbly disagree with. I mean, as a white person myself, i dont feel responsible for the actions of other white men, I don't feel like some part of a group of 'whities' who did bad things, and i really dont want to be held accountable for the actions of people i have no relationship to whatsoever.

Riverpoet31 said:

I don't think it's that deep in this case. This is just good-natured teasing, not an indictment. I think we can take a joke. It might be harder to do the joking in reverse because wounds of old stereotypes and oppression and discrimination are still pretty raw, which can really take the steam out of a joke, but I think there are still plenty of times jokes go back and forth between all races without being hurtful, mean, or racist.

YES!


And Rainbow Children is making fun of gay kids!

Efan said:

i like to think that too.

I am not talking about Princes lyrics here, i agree, its just a teasing joke.

I was reacting on SirPsychos analysis.

Imago said:

vainandy said:

Oh Shit! I know exactly who you're talking about. Sadly, she's is one of them.

Honey, she's the queen of them.

Riverpoet31 said:

Riverpoet, there is absolutely no reason you should feel responsible for the actions of your ancestors just as black folk of today shouldn't be held subject to prevailing stereotypes that were invented amidst confusion and fear. but we are ALL subject to the history that preceeds us, AND rightly so, as it stands to teach us the better (see: the convo we're having)

i do however want to correct one thing..i'm not impling black people are free to "say whatever" because our anscestors were enslaved, divided, brainwashed, and murdered...EVERY race is free to say whatever the fuck they want.

what i was saying is because we blacks are still to this day (albiet in a more subtle but no less substantial way) enslaved, divided, brainwashed and murdered....it appears to be universally greenlighted when we discuss race in certain ways..



again, none of this helps humanity AT ALL...but humans have never been "logical" animals




and to everyone else...i know prince was just having fun...i'm just joining riverpoet into the deeper questions at hand


*please note none of this was/is intended with malice*

SirPsycho said:

You could possibly be one of my favorite orgers ever.


And I'm not just saying that cause you're a hot piece of ass.

vainandy said:

I remember when the "I'm Your Baby Tonight" CD dropped and she was trying to dance, I'd look at her like It was kinda rough ya know?!

He did write a good post.

Now....you can have the back but save the front for me.

Is that because 'you' are 'black'?

And another thing, sharply put (but with malice also...lol), people don't let themself enslave, divide or brainwash that easy, isnt it?

Alltough i like your thought out reactions, i cant escape the feeling youre using some 'textbook' meme-like 'arguments' in this particular reaction.

First, because i think it seems overwrought, like there is some deliberate plan among 'white people' to keep people of another race enslaved, divided or brainwashed.
Sorry, but such an idea is nonsense.

Secondly, because you don't seem to pay much attention to the possibilities and responbilities of the group who is, according to you, held down (as i said, not some 'masterplan' but for a large part 'perception').

Its the worn out excuse of people who are 'believing' too much in some kind of victim-role. Or maybe that victim-role even has some benefits, i mean, why would you otherwise lay it down as the essence of the position of 'black' people?

Sorry, prejudices will probably always be existing, people will probably always keep the tendency to judge others who are 'different' then themselves or the 'group' they belong to.
But that doesn't mean that, especially in these times, you should keep playing the victim-card.
Nowadays you have the opportunities to start your own business, no matter what colour you are, nowadays you have the freedom to express yourself, and thats a colourblind 'gift', but most important, nowadays, you have the freedom to let go of certain selflimitating dogma's, to let go of some tiresome, worn out 'victimrole' that doesnt stroke at all with reality.

Take those opportunities, or keep limitating yourself. Thats your own choice as an indivual, wether your black, white, brown, green, gay, lesbian, straight, thin,fat, handsome, ugly, introvert or extravert....
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vainandy said:

I'm more interested in the back than the front anyways

SirPsycho said:

I love you.

I wasn't surprised at all because I had already seen her in that "How Will I Know" video trying to dance in that mini skirt, weave that didn't match the color of her hair it was weaved into, and chicken legs.

Riverpoet31 said:

is what because i'm black?

The whole idea of some white (evil) plan to hold down and enslave black people is just laughable.

Or do you feel fine playing the 'victimcard'?

Imago.... your a trip

Vainandy... you cant have either side seeing as you drag rappers in to conversations about anything, just to squat on us


and Tora...

SirPsycho said:

for real

Riverpoet31 said:

i dont feel fine about how i'm treated at all. i find it 'interesting' (to say the least) that my father was treated the same way coming up and could tell me before hand EXACTLY how this world would acknowledge me.

and my opinion is that ALL humanity is intent on destroying each other. race is just subtext.

SirPsycho said:

correction. race is just a platform. it hints at the subtext.

Alej said:

:cheeseburger:

Hey, I've said nothing about rappers, I've shit on shit hoppers. There's a difference. A rapper can rap over funk and dance music (and they used to). A shit hopper isn't capable of making funk or dance music to rap over. As long as shit hop keeps all dance music out and everything remains slow and dull, I'll be shitting on it till I'm placed in the ground.

SirPsycho said:

Wow player..it seems funny to see u over in a Music forum. I thought u LIVED over in G.D.

vainandy said:

i'm not even debating with you anymore. music evolves and devloves much to the chargrin of us who just grow old. but it's all blues in the end. case closed.

Who's grown old? Hell, I'm just as young as ever. Hey, I'm not the one that slowed things down to a Lawrence Welk tempo. My ass has still got a lot more shake to it.

Actually, I wouldn't have a problem with shit hop existing and being so boring. However, when I get a problem is when everything else is kept out and nothing else can come in because record labels and radio don't want anything in style that might be more expensive to make. I have no problem with living and let live but these corporations ain't letting anything that I like live. And when Andy don't have no entertainment, he becomes meaner than a rattlesnake.
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blackguitaristz said:

i know right? truth be told, i'm as big a music head as anybody else on this forum and used to STAY over here, but nobody seemed to dig to of the theories i posed on P's direction between albums and underlying themes in his music and blah blah and what not... people would pretty much be like "fuck that! prince is pretty and me likey dance!" ...so i still lurk here on occasion but not as much..

and music and more is cool too, but it also seemed centered around particular ways of thinking (but maybe thats exactly how its supposed to be ...i dunno )

i just dig GD cuz i can let my nuts hang.


interstingly enough, tho convo i'm having here is more of a P&R convo, and i barely post there ever


strange times.