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Reply #60 posted 08/18/08 8:43am

dseann

BartVanHemelen said:

dseann said:



I read in an interview with him that after 20 years he got the rights to his masters back from Warner Bros. Before 2004, he said for him to make all the money off Purple Rain he would have to re-enter the studio then re-record it. I just posting what came out of the horses mouth. If Prince was mistaken, then I stand corrected.


Again, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't post. And certainly don't believe anything Prince says on this subject.


Should I believe you over Prince?
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Reply #61 posted 08/18/08 12:47pm

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I just saw an interview from 2004 that a friend shared with me (I can't believe I missed it on tv...anyways) He was asked about his master's and he said he is in the process working out something with WB. "There are a lot of differnt folks over there and their cool....we should ahve something resolved real soon."
Prime aka The Kid

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I need u to shake Ur lil' ass n hips
I need u to grind like Ur working for tips
And give me what I need while we listen to PRINCE"
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Reply #62 posted 08/19/08 9:16am

CarrieLee

Does this really surprise any of you?

Prince is a dick! At least he's being consistent!
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Reply #63 posted 08/19/08 9:31pm

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I thought Warner Bros. own the right to this song. How can Prince have any say in the matter. Prince if you want to keep your current fan and gain more, cut us some slack. Your name is Prine but with this attitude you are not a Prince.

He doesn't. He's just being a dickhead. Again.
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Reply #64 posted 08/20/08 1:45pm

laurarichardso
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meow85 said:

kbarso said:

I thought Warner Bros. own the right to this song. How can Prince have any say in the matter. Prince if you want to keep your current fan and gain more, cut us some slack. Your name is Prine but with this attitude you are not a Prince.

He doesn't. He's just being a dickhead. Again.

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He is a dickhead because he does not want PR coverd by this guy.

It is his music and I do not want to hear PR in a Opera version so thank god it is not going to happen.
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Reply #65 posted 08/20/08 4:35pm

7souls

laurarichardson said:

meow85 said:


He doesn't. He's just being a dickhead. Again.

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He is a dickhead because he does not want PR coverd by this guy.

It is his music and I do not want to hear PR in a Opera version so thank god it is not going to happen.


No. He's a dickhead because of how much he has covered throughout his career but now he doesn't want anyone to cover his stuff. Does he owe anybody anything (as the die hard fams that find no fault whatsoever in anything that he ever does love to say...y'all remind of the Repugnantens with the whole "stay the course" cliche on constant loop)? No he doesn't. But what's the point of embracing hypocrisy?
I've heard of at least 2 bands being blindsided when they heard that lil Hitler did their song in a public forum without their permission. Whether he put those covers on a cd or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he performed a copywritten piece without the owners approval.
If this singer, or any other, did it the lil Hitler way then he wouldn't have known about his song being done until one of his lawyers crawled out of his butt and told him about it. Would that have been better?
No matter what you personally think of another version of PR, and I'm sure that lil Hitler can sleep at night now knowing that laurarichardson (whoever the hell that is) didn't personally want to hear that version, it all comes back to treat others as you want to be treated. If your lord and master wants others to come crawling to him to request his approval, then what comes around is that he should be doing the same thing.
Now, with that said...Lil Hitler Fams unite! Avenge your lord and master from this peasants blasphemy.
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Reply #66 posted 08/20/08 8:47pm

Sdldawn

Prince is such a nice guy....


what a dick head
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Reply #67 posted 08/20/08 9:11pm

Twinkly1

When my neighbor borrows my lawnmower she generally knocks on my door and asks; never has she walked into the garage and helped herself. Can you imagine?

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Reply #68 posted 08/21/08 7:11am

laurarichardso
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7souls said:

laurarichardson said:


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He is a dickhead because he does not want PR coverd by this guy.

It is his music and I do not want to hear PR in a Opera version so thank god it is not going to happen.


No. He's a dickhead because of how much he has covered throughout his career but now he doesn't want anyone to cover his stuff. Does he owe anybody anything (as the die hard fams that find no fault whatsoever in anything that he ever does love to say...y'all remind of the Repugnantens with the whole "stay the course" cliche on constant loop)? No he doesn't. But what's the point of embracing hypocrisy?
I've heard of at least 2 bands being blindsided when they heard that lil Hitler did their song in a public forum without their permission. Whether he put those covers on a cd or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he performed a copywritten piece without the owners approval.
If this singer, or any other, did it the lil Hitler way then he wouldn't have known about his song being done until one of his lawyers crawled out of his butt and told him about it. Would that have been better?
No matter what you personally think of another version of PR, and I'm sure that lil Hitler can sleep at night now knowing that laurarichardson (whoever the hell that is) didn't personally want to hear that version, it all comes back to treat others as you want to be treated. If your lord and master wants others to come crawling to him to request his approval, then what comes around is that he should be doing the same thing.
Now, with that said...Lil Hitler Fams unite! Avenge your lord and master from this peasants blasphemy.

-----

No. He is a dickhead because of how much he has covered throughout his career but now he does not want anyone to cover his stuff. Does he owe anybody anything (as the die hard fams that find no fault whatsoever in anything that he ever does love to say...y'all remind of the Repugnantens with the whole "stay the course" cliche on constant loop)? No he doesn't. But what's the point of embracing hypocrisy?

He has only recorded 3 cover songs that have been officially released and I am sure the publishers were paid for those and the owners of the copyright could have denied him permission or made a public fuss if they choose to do so.
It is not about anyone being a “fam” the reality is he owns his songs and he can do as he pleased with them you don’t have to like it but, he is well within his rights.

I have heard of at least two bands being blindsided when they heard that lil Hitler did their song in a public forum without their permission. Whether he put those covers on a cd or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he performed a copywritten piece without the owners approval.

You do not have to ask the owners permission to do a cover song live.



If this singer, or any other, did it the lil Hitler way then he would not have known about his song being done until one of his lawyers crawled out of his butt and told him about it. Would that have been better?

WTF are you babbling about. It does not matter if he knows about it before hand or after it has already been done. If you do not have permission, you cannot do it.

No matter what you personally think of another version of PR, and I'm sure that lil Hitler can sleep at night now knowing that laurarichardson (whoever the hell that is) didn't personally want to hear that version, it all comes back to treat others as you want to be treated. If your lord and master wants others to come crawling to him to request his approval, then what comes around is that he should be doing the same thing.
Now, with that said...Lil Hitler Fams unite! Avenge your lord and master from this peasants blasphemy.[/quote]

You know dude this is not that deep of an issue and you should really get a life and find other things do with yourself rather than worry about how Prince is treating other artist ( a dentist) who want to fuck up one of his better tunes.
I am sure I am not the only one who does not want to hear his rendition but, if I did hear it I would not waste my time ranting about the rendition or the lack of permission to do it as it would not have the bearing on my life that it appears to have on yours. I mean you are actually comparing P to Hitler WTF is that abou
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Reply #69 posted 08/21/08 10:45am

Sdldawn

well...


I guess prince should maybe hold on to his 80's music as tight as he can, cause his 90's and 00's music is the worst shit ever
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Reply #70 posted 08/21/08 10:56am

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1p1p1i3 said:

I say well done Prince, the last thing we need is more crap like this.


CO SIGN!!
This dentist is probably another Weird Al Yankovick and who needs that crap! Prince takes his music seriously and doesn't want some nimrod making a characture of it or him. Now if the guy seriously has a bomb ass voice and did the song some justice then maybe its just a record company/royalties type issue.
I don't like dentist anyway! Their magazines suck and make u wait too long! mad
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Reply #71 posted 08/21/08 4:33pm

meow85

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7souls said:

laurarichardson said:


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He is a dickhead because he does not want PR coverd by this guy.

It is his music and I do not want to hear PR in a Opera version so thank god it is not going to happen.


No. He's a dickhead because of how much he has covered throughout his career but now he doesn't want anyone to cover his stuff. Does he owe anybody anything (as the die hard fams that find no fault whatsoever in anything that he ever does love to say...y'all remind of the Repugnantens with the whole "stay the course" cliche on constant loop)? No he doesn't. But what's the point of embracing hypocrisy?
I've heard of at least 2 bands being blindsided when they heard that lil Hitler did their song in a public forum without their permission. Whether he put those covers on a cd or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he performed a copywritten piece without the owners approval.
If this singer, or any other, did it the lil Hitler way then he wouldn't have known about his song being done until one of his lawyers crawled out of his butt and told him about it. Would that have been better?
No matter what you personally think of another version of PR, and I'm sure that lil Hitler can sleep at night now knowing that laurarichardson (whoever the hell that is) didn't personally want to hear that version, it all comes back to treat others as you want to be treated. If your lord and master wants others to come crawling to him to request his approval, then what comes around is that he should be doing the same thing.
Now, with that said...Lil Hitler Fams unite! Avenge your lord and master from this peasants blasphemy.

lol clapping

Prince's attitude toward other people covering his work wouldn't be a problem if he'd never covered music himself. But he has, and on more than one occasion completely without permission. It's hypocrisy at it's highest -and unfortunately, is becoming a running pattern for Our Hero.

Increasingly it's simply becoming fact that if anyone wants to be a Prince fan without losing their damned mind they've got to accept the fact that he's a self-absorbed asshole. Prove me wrong.
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Reply #72 posted 08/21/08 4:37pm

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DesireeNevermind said:

1p1p1i3 said:

I say well done Prince, the last thing we need is more crap like this.


CO SIGN!!
This dentist is probably another Weird Al Yankovick and who needs that crap! Prince takes his music seriously and doesn't want some nimrod making a characture of it or him. Now if the guy seriously has a bomb ass voice and did the song some justice then maybe its just a record company/royalties type issue.
I don't like dentist anyway! Their magazines suck and make u wait too long! mad

I bet you were the brightest in your class, weren't you? The article syays the singing dentist does operatic takes on famous songs, he doesn't do parodies. As for Weird Al Yankovic, (there's no k at the end) everyone else he's done parodies of has loved them.
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Reply #73 posted 08/21/08 11:19pm

DesireeNevermi
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meow85 said:

DesireeNevermind said:



CO SIGN!!
This dentist is probably another Weird Al Yankovick and who needs that crap! Prince takes his music seriously and doesn't want some nimrod making a characture of it or him. Now if the guy seriously has a bomb ass voice and did the song some justice then maybe its just a record company/royalties type issue.
I don't like dentist anyway! Their magazines suck and make u wait too long! mad

I bet you were the brightest in your class, weren't you? The article syays the singing dentist does operatic takes on famous songs, he doesn't do parodies. As for Weird Al Yankovic, (there's no k at the end) everyone else he's done parodies of has loved them.


I bet you were the dullest tool in the shed!! What an article says and what is fact aren't necessarily the same thing! I don't give a rat's ass how U spell old dude's name. Like, did his parents name him Weird? Not everyone has loved his parodies. Coolio hated the parody of Gangsta's Paradise. I hate all his parodies except "Like a Surgeon" So now what you got to say beef supreme? flipped off
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Reply #74 posted 08/22/08 1:20am

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DesireeNevermind said:

meow85 said:


I bet you were the brightest in your class, weren't you? The article syays the singing dentist does operatic takes on famous songs, he doesn't do parodies. As for Weird Al Yankovic, (there's no k at the end) everyone else he's done parodies of has loved them.


I bet you were the dullest tool in the shed!! What an article says and what is fact aren't necessarily the same thing! I don't give a rat's ass how U spell old dude's name. Like, did his parents name him Weird? Not everyone has loved his parodies. Coolio hated the parody of Gangsta's Paradise. I hate all his parodies except "Like a Surgeon" So now what you got to say beef supreme? flipped off

Coolio only hated Amish Paradise because he was pissed it made more money than Gangsta's Paradise did. While we're on the topic, did he even pay Stevie for that theft sample?
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Reply #75 posted 08/22/08 8:08am

DesireeNevermi
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meow85 said:

DesireeNevermind said:



I bet you were the dullest tool in the shed!! What an article says and what is fact aren't necessarily the same thing! I don't give a rat's ass how U spell old dude's name. Like, did his parents name him Weird? Not everyone has loved his parodies. Coolio hated the parody of Gangsta's Paradise. I hate all his parodies except "Like a Surgeon" So now what you got to say beef supreme? flipped off

Coolio only hated Amish Paradise because he was pissed it made more money than Gangsta's Paradise did. While we're on the topic, did he even pay Stevie for that theft sample?


Reading your oh so factual articles again? Since he and Stevie admire one another - spoken from their own lips - then maybe he didn't pay. Maybe it was a gift, homage, exchange - who the frick knows? I don even know what theft sample U talkin' about and don't really care!
Nice 2 C somebody on Al's jock tho. Carry On!!
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Reply #76 posted 08/22/08 8:32am

Tame

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metallicjigolo said:

Just as citizens of a nation must be educated about their rights to ensure that they are
protected and upheld, so too must those who compose words and music know the rights that
support their own acts of creation. Without these rights, which directly emanate from the U.S.
Constitution, many who dream of focusing their talents and energies on music creation would be
economically unable to do so - an outcome that would diminish artistic expression today and for
future generations.
At this time, when so many forces are seeking to diminish copyright protections and
devalue artistic expression, this Bill of Rights for Songwriters and Composers looks to clarify the
entitlements that every music creator enjoys.

1. We have the right to be compensated for the use of our creative works, and
share in the revenues that they generate.
2. We have the right to license our works and control the ways in which they
are used.
3. We have the right to withhold permission for uses of our works on artistic,
economic or philosophical grounds.

4. We have the right to protect our creative works to the fullest extent of the law
from all forms of piracy, theft and unauthorized use, which deprive us of our
right to earn a living based on our creativity.
5. We have the right to choose when and where our creative works may be
used for free.
6. We have the right to develop, document and distribute our works through new
media channels - while retaining the right to a share in all associated profits.
7. We have the right to choose the organizations we want to represent us and
to join our voices together to protect our rights and negotiate for the value of
our music.
8. We have the right to earn compensation from all types of “performances,”
including direct, live renditions as well as indirect recordings, broadcasts,
digital streams and more.
9. We have the right to decline participation in business models that require us to
relinquish all or part of our creative rights - or which do not respect our right to
be compensated for our work.
10. We have the right to advocate for strong laws protecting our creative works, and
demand that
[Edited 8/14/08 18:17pm]



nice post. Where is this published by the way? US document?


This is right...and without these rights you are defaming an artist's character..So when these rights are not upheld for whatever reason...defamation of character can be the next step to protect the artist.

Sooner or later...these laws have to become defined to prevent escape from either direction. All that red-tape has ever done is become a time consuming...financial irritant...that would be better spent in a creative mood.
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Reply #77 posted 08/22/08 8:46am

Tame

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Twinkly1 said:

When my neighbor borrows my lawnmower she generally knocks on my door and asks; never has she walked into the garage and helped herself. Can you imagine?

lol



How selfish of you...I leave my lawnmower outside so everybody can borrow it... cool





Daniel Hale Williams
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Reply #78 posted 08/22/08 11:39am

meow85

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DesireeNevermind said:

meow85 said:


Coolio only hated Amish Paradise because he was pissed it made more money than Gangsta's Paradise did. While we're on the topic, did he even pay Stevie for that theft sample?


Reading your oh so factual articles again? Since he and Stevie admire one another - spoken from their own lips - then maybe he didn't pay. Maybe it was a gift, homage, exchange - who the frick knows? I don even know what theft sample U talkin' about and don't really care!
Nice 2 C somebody on Al's jock tho. Carry On!!

The melody and a good chunk of the lyrics to the chorus were ripped from Pasttime Paradise. More than, it's my understanding, can just be given away as a "gift". Considering how many artists of Stevie's caliber have been ripped off and screwed over by rap artists, I think asking whether Stevie made any money off Gangsta's Paradise is a fair question. So too, is pointing out the stupidity of Coolio getting mad about a parody -a parody that he gave permission for, no less -of a song that he borrowed from somebody else.

I'm not "on Al's jock" as so you eloquently put it. I'm asking questions about fair use, which is what this thread is about, innit? You want to start a thread complaining about someone like Weird Al -someone who everyone but Prince seems to like -then by all means.
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Reply #79 posted 08/22/08 11:55am

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meow85 said:

DesireeNevermind said:



Reading your oh so factual articles again? Since he and Stevie admire one another - spoken from their own lips - then maybe he didn't pay. Maybe it was a gift, homage, exchange - who the frick knows? I don even know what theft sample U talkin' about and don't really care!
Nice 2 C somebody on Al's jock tho. Carry On!!

The melody and a good chunk of the lyrics to the chorus were ripped from Pasttime Paradise. More than, it's my understanding, can just be given away as a "gift". Considering how many artists of Stevie's caliber have been ripped off and screwed over by rap artists, I think asking whether Stevie made any money off Gangsta's Paradise is a fair question. So too, is pointing out the stupidity of Coolio getting mad about a parody -a parody that he gave permission for, no less -of a song that he borrowed from somebody else.

I'm not "on Al's jock" as so you eloquently put it. I'm asking questions about fair use, which is what this thread is about, innit? You want to start a thread complaining about someone like Weird Al -someone who everyone but Prince seems to like -then by all means.


Weird Al is your idol not mine - So you go start a thread! As for Stevie and this alleged rip of Pasttime Paradise by Prince and all these other rap artists whom you fail to mention ;if he was indeed ripped to the degree that you insinuate then that's his quest and responsibility to deal with. Isn't it? And if you think Prince is some big pimp ass thief then what are U doing in this org? I wouldn't support someone who I thought was a bold faced plagiarist! The way you're writing/thinking, why in the hell are you in favor of this dentist doing his alleged operatic version of Purple Rain to get a record deal? Your circles are dizzying! wacky
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Reply #80 posted 08/22/08 9:41pm

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DesireeNevermind said:

meow85 said:


The melody and a good chunk of the lyrics to the chorus were ripped from Pasttime Paradise. More than, it's my understanding, can just be given away as a "gift". Considering how many artists of Stevie's caliber have been ripped off and screwed over by rap artists, I think asking whether Stevie made any money off Gangsta's Paradise is a fair question. So too, is pointing out the stupidity of Coolio getting mad about a parody -a parody that he gave permission for, no less -of a song that he borrowed from somebody else.

I'm not "on Al's jock" as so you eloquently put it. I'm asking questions about fair use, which is what this thread is about, innit? You want to start a thread complaining about someone like Weird Al -someone who everyone but Prince seems to like -then by all means.


Weird Al is your idol not mine - So you go start a thread! As for Stevie and this alleged rip of Pasttime Paradise by Prince and all these other rap artists whom you fail to mention ;if he was indeed ripped to the degree that you insinuate then that's his quest and responsibility to deal with. Isn't it? And if you think Prince is some big pimp ass thief then what are U doing in this org? I wouldn't support someone who I thought was a bold faced plagiarist! The way you're writing/thinking, why in the hell are you in favor of this dentist doing his alleged operatic version of Purple Rain to get a record deal? Your circles are dizzying! wacky


Man, I would die for some of whatever you've been smoking, because it sounds like a hoot.

I said COOLIO may or may not have stolen that sample of Stevie's, not Prince. Your argument doesn't work if you refuse to get the names right.
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Reply #81 posted 08/22/08 9:47pm

robinesque

Sdldawn said:

well...


I guess prince should maybe hold on to his 80's music as tight as he can, cause his 90's and 00's music is the worst shit ever


lol

that's a good point
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Reply #82 posted 08/22/08 11:10pm

Flowers2

.. Walks in ..

couch *popcorn w/ pepsi .. reading
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Reply #83 posted 08/23/08 11:05am

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meow85 said:

DesireeNevermind said:



Weird Al is your idol not mine - So you go start a thread! As for Stevie and this alleged rip of Pasttime Paradise by Prince and all these other rap artists whom you fail to mention ;if he was indeed ripped to the degree that you insinuate then that's his quest and responsibility to deal with. Isn't it? And if you think Prince is some big pimp ass thief then what are U doing in this org? I wouldn't support someone who I thought was a bold faced plagiarist! The way you're writing/thinking, why in the hell are you in favor of this dentist doing his alleged operatic version of Purple Rain to get a record deal? Your circles are dizzying! wacky


Man, I would die for some of whatever you've been smoking, because it sounds like a hoot.

I said COOLIO may or may not have stolen that sample of Stevie's, not Prince. Your argument doesn't work if you refuse to get the names right.


SO SPANK ME ALREADY,,,I'M TIRED OF YO SHIT! mad razz
MAYBE THEIVERY MAYBE NOT...MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
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Reply #84 posted 08/24/08 3:08pm

meow85

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DesireeNevermind said:

meow85 said:



Man, I would die for some of whatever you've been smoking, because it sounds like a hoot.

I said COOLIO may or may not have stolen that sample of Stevie's, not Prince. Your argument doesn't work if you refuse to get the names right.


SO SPANK ME ALREADY,,,I'M TIRED OF YO SHIT! mad razz
MAYBE THEIVERY MAYBE NOT...MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

falloff


I like you. I was having kind of a bad day, but you just brightened it right up. Thanks. thumbs up!
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Reply #85 posted 08/24/08 4:36pm

laurarichardso
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meow85 said:

7souls said:



No. He's a dickhead because of how much he has covered throughout his career but now he doesn't want anyone to cover his stuff. Does he owe anybody anything (as the die hard fams that find no fault whatsoever in anything that he ever does love to say...y'all remind of the Repugnantens with the whole "stay the course" cliche on constant loop)? No he doesn't. But what's the point of embracing hypocrisy?
I've heard of at least 2 bands being blindsided when they heard that lil Hitler did their song in a public forum without their permission. Whether he put those covers on a cd or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he performed a copywritten piece without the owners approval.
If this singer, or any other, did it the lil Hitler way then he wouldn't have known about his song being done until one of his lawyers crawled out of his butt and told him about it. Would that have been better?
No matter what you personally think of another version of PR, and I'm sure that lil Hitler can sleep at night now knowing that laurarichardson (whoever the hell that is) didn't personally want to hear that version, it all comes back to treat others as you want to be treated. If your lord and master wants others to come crawling to him to request his approval, then what comes around is that he should be doing the same thing.
Now, with that said...Lil Hitler Fams unite! Avenge your lord and master from this peasants blasphemy.

lol clapping

Prince's attitude toward other people covering his work wouldn't be a problem if he'd never covered music himself. But he has, and on more than one occasion completely without permission. It's hypocrisy at it's highest -and unfortunately, is becoming a running pattern for Our Hero.

Increasingly it's simply becoming fact that if anyone wants to be a Prince fan without losing their damned mind they've got to accept the fact that he's a self-absorbed asshole. Prove me wrong.

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Read below since you missed it the first time. You do not have to ask permission to cover a song live. I do not know of any Prince recorded covers were it was not credited.

He has only recorded 3 cover songs that have been officially released and I am sure the publishers were paid for those and the owners of the copyright could have denied him permission or made a public fuss if they choose to do so.

It is not about anyone being a “fam” the reality is he owns his songs and he can do as he pleased with them you don’t have to like it but, he is well within his rights.
I have heard of at least two bands being blindsided when they heard that lil Hitler did their song in a public forum without their permission. Whether he put those covers on a cd or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he performed a copywritten piece without the owners approval.

You do not have to ask the owners permission to do a cover song live.
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Reply #86 posted 08/24/08 9:52pm

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meow85 said:

DesireeNevermind said:



SO SPANK ME ALREADY,,,I'M TIRED OF YO SHIT! mad razz
MAYBE THEIVERY MAYBE NOT...MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

falloff


I like you. I was having kind of a bad day, but you just brightened it right up. Thanks. thumbs up!


GLAD I COULD HELP. thumbs up!
you can call me sunshine cuz I bright like that!
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Reply #87 posted 08/25/08 12:07am

meow85

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laurarichardson said:

meow85 said:


lol clapping

Prince's attitude toward other people covering his work wouldn't be a problem if he'd never covered music himself. But he has, and on more than one occasion completely without permission. It's hypocrisy at it's highest -and unfortunately, is becoming a running pattern for Our Hero.

Increasingly it's simply becoming fact that if anyone wants to be a Prince fan without losing their damned mind they've got to accept the fact that he's a self-absorbed asshole. Prove me wrong.

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Read below since you missed it the first time. You do not have to ask permission to cover a song live. I do not know of any Prince recorded covers were it was not credited.

He has only recorded 3 cover songs that have been officially released and I am sure the publishers were paid for those and the owners of the copyright could have denied him permission or made a public fuss if they choose to do so.

It is not about anyone being a “fam” the reality is he owns his songs and he can do as he pleased with them you don’t have to like it but, he is well within his rights.
I have heard of at least two bands being blindsided when they heard that lil Hitler did their song in a public forum without their permission. Whether he put those covers on a cd or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he performed a copywritten piece without the owners approval.

You do not have to ask the owners permission to do a cover song live.


A courtesy request is just good manners though, even if you don't legally need permission. Foo Fighters, Radiohead, Sly Stone, Stevie, Joni and all the others I'm forgetting. What if someone decides they're not happy Prince did their music without letting them know or asking ahead of time?

The fact still remains though, that Prince is always getting his purple knickers in a twist about others doing covers of his work. Even in instances where they've clearly taken the legal route and gotten proper permission, he's got himself in a snit over it. That he can behave like that, then turn around and cover other artists continually is a bit disappointing. He shouldn't get to have it both ways. Either be for or against cover versions.

I love the little guy's music, but based on things like this I'm glad I don't need to deal with him in person.
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Reply #88 posted 08/25/08 7:19am

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meow85 said:

laurarichardson said:


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Read below since you missed it the first time. You do not have to ask permission to cover a song live. I do not know of any Prince recorded covers were it was not credited.

He has only recorded 3 cover songs that have been officially released and I am sure the publishers were paid for those and the owners of the copyright could have denied him permission or made a public fuss if they choose to do so.

It is not about anyone being a “fam” the reality is he owns his songs and he can do as he pleased with them you don’t have to like it but, he is well within his rights.
I have heard of at least two bands being blindsided when they heard that lil Hitler did their song in a public forum without their permission. Whether he put those covers on a cd or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he performed a copywritten piece without the owners approval.

You do not have to ask the owners permission to do a cover song live.


A courtesy request is just good manners though, even if you don't legally need permission. Foo Fighters, Radiohead, Sly Stone, Stevie, Joni and all the others I'm forgetting. What if someone decides they're not happy Prince did their music without letting them know or asking ahead of time?

The fact still remains though, that Prince is always getting his purple knickers in a twist about others doing covers of his work. Even in instances where they've clearly taken the legal route and gotten proper permission, he's got himself in a snit over it. That he can behave like that, then turn around and cover other artists continually is a bit disappointing. He shouldn't get to have it both ways. Either be for or against cover versions.

I love the little guy's music, but based on things like this I'm glad I don't need to deal with him in person.



I think part of the point that Laurarichardson is making is that while Prince has covered a lot of songs LIVE he hasn't officially recorded them for resale. This distinction in necessary because as she pointed out several times you don't need permission to cover a song live. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the songs he's objected to by other artists were songs they wanted to include on albums and such.

That being said his covers of Foo Fighters "Best of You" and Radiohead "Creep" were one off situations he probably had no intention of releasing as singles or putting on albums.

Off the top of my head Prince has done minimal covers that were put on albums or released as singles which include: Stylistics, Sheryl Crow, Ohio Players, Bonnie Raitt, Delfonics, Joni Mitchell and Jimi Hendrix. And like laurarichardson pointed out each of those artists were notified and paid accordingly. If they weren't they should have sued him.

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Reply #89 posted 08/25/08 1:17pm

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Ifsixwuz9 said:

meow85 said:



A courtesy request is just good manners though, even if you don't legally need permission. Foo Fighters, Radiohead, Sly Stone, Stevie, Joni and all the others I'm forgetting. What if someone decides they're not happy Prince did their music without letting them know or asking ahead of time?

The fact still remains though, that Prince is always getting his purple knickers in a twist about others doing covers of his work. Even in instances where they've clearly taken the legal route and gotten proper permission, he's got himself in a snit over it. That he can behave like that, then turn around and cover other artists continually is a bit disappointing. He shouldn't get to have it both ways. Either be for or against cover versions.

I love the little guy's music, but based on things like this I'm glad I don't need to deal with him in person.



I think part of the point that Laurarichardson is making is that while Prince has covered a lot of songs LIVE he hasn't officially recorded them for resale. This distinction in necessary because as she pointed out several times you don't need permission to cover a song live. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the songs he's objected to by other artists were songs they wanted to include on albums and such.

That being said his covers of Foo Fighters "Best of You" and Radiohead "Creep" were one off situations he probably had no intention of releasing as singles or putting on albums.

Off the top of my head Prince has done minimal covers that were put on albums or released as singles which include: Stylistics, Sheryl Crow, Ohio Players, Bonnie Raitt, Delfonics, Joni Mitchell and Jimi Hendrix. And like laurarichardson pointed out each of those artists were notified and paid accordingly. If they weren't they should have sued him.

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But Prince has objected flat out to covers of any kind, live or album work, of his own material. He can't just reject the idea altogether when it's his music being covered and have temper tantrums about it if he's going to be doing covers of other peoples' work. Legal issues aside, it's just bad form.

I'll concede that Prince, legally speaking, is probably within his rights most of the time. But that doesn't mean he's not acting like a self-serving jerk when he does shit like this. Free the music? Indeed. hrmph

Foo Fighters and Radiohead were both completely blindsided by Prince covering their work. They probably would have given permission anyways if he'd had the courtesy to ask. What's at issue though is that these weren't just performances at regular concerts, but at live broadcast gigs where he after demanded all footage be removed from the internet. Radiohead, at least, was nto pleased with this.
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