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Thread started 11/11/02 11:06am

chookalana

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Moonbeam Levels or Free...

I have a question 4 u. We all know that Moonbeam Levels was supposed to be on the 1999 album, but instead got bumped from the album in favor of Free.

Don't get me wrong, I love Free but if someone asks me which one should have made on the album, I would say Moonbeam Levels.

What do you think?...

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Reply #1 posted 11/11/02 11:08am

IceNine

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Moonbeam Levels is much better.
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Reply #2 posted 11/11/02 11:17am

Sly

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I have never heard Moonbeam levels! sad

I'm not a fan of free myself, usually skip it when it comes on.
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Reply #3 posted 11/11/02 11:24am

xenon

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Moonbeam Levels.

I think Moonbeam will probably agree too. smile
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Reply #4 posted 11/11/02 11:33am

BorisFishpaw

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I prefer 'Moonbeam Levels',
but I can see why Prince chose 'Free'.
It's more straightforward and commercial.
'Moonbeam Levels' is quite obtuse.
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Reply #5 posted 11/11/02 12:05pm

Pochacco

Moonbeam levels it is

Much love yes Pochacco
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Reply #6 posted 11/11/02 12:34pm

Haystack

I prefer 'Moonbeam Levels'.
I remember when it originally surfaced as a bootleg and the title was thought to be 'A Better Place 2 Die', to me that is a much better title as it's so evocative. 'Moonbeam Levels' sounds like something out of a bad science fiction movie.
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Reply #7 posted 11/11/02 12:49pm

Supernova

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I don't remember if I've heard Moonbeam Levels before.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #8 posted 11/11/02 1:19pm

giuseppe

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"Moonbeam levels" by far...

From Sunny Spain.
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Reply #9 posted 11/11/02 1:29pm

IceNine

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Supernova said:

I don't remember if I've heard Moonbeam Levels before.


I believe that it is erroneously called "A Better Place To Die" quite often.

If you have heard "A Better Place To Die," you have heard Moonbeam Levels.
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Reply #10 posted 11/11/02 1:35pm

jnoel

"Moonbeam levels" and not because it's still unreleased
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Reply #11 posted 11/11/02 4:13pm

jtgillia

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Definitely Moonbeam Levels- who will be the first to pick Free?
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Reply #12 posted 11/11/02 4:20pm

Moonbeam

I admit that I prefer "Moonbeam Levels." However, I am quite glad that it is a little secret. I think "1999" is perfect the way it is. Although I unquestionably like "Moonbeam Levels" better, I am glad that "Free" made the cut. Strange that an orger named Moonbeam is the first to pick "Free."

In any case, my brother and I have had long discussions about this. We have agreed that we are ecstatic with the way Prince has chosen to release his albums. I'd prefer to have "Sign o' the Times" to "Dream Factory" and "Lovesexy" to "The Black Album."
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Reply #13 posted 11/11/02 6:15pm

chickengrease

I'll be first. I pick Free. It flows better with the album, IMO. Moonbeam Levels is too scary. yeah it goes with the apocalyptic theme of 1999, but it brings the party down. Free is a breather, not as much of a downer. It gives you time to recoup before it's time to shake ya ass again.
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Reply #14 posted 11/11/02 6:17pm

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hell nah, Free is first!

Moonbeam Levels was made up by people 2 be 'the greatest bootleg'. It is very much over-rated, and the message is aiight, but it aint got no SOUL. Sorry 2 sound racist but it just aint got no black in it like the rest of 1999 did.

I feel like I am very special liking Free the most and am very proud. It is a fantastic song. I sat and waited for years 2 hear Moonbeam Levels...when I heard that I was like...,"was that it?" u know? "What was so special about that?"

What saved me from being mad after that song had went off though was "Make It Thru The Storm" Damn that song is nice!

I like the song, but it's not all that
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Reply #15 posted 11/11/02 7:03pm

AaronForever

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are you fucking kidding me? Moonbeam Levels, of course.

Free sucks farts out of a dog's butt.
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Reply #16 posted 11/11/02 7:04pm

AaronForever

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paisleypark4 said:

hell nah, Free is first!

Moonbeam Levels was made up by people 2 be 'the greatest bootleg'. It is very much over-rated, and the message is aiight, but it aint got no SOUL. Sorry 2 sound racist but it just aint got no black in it like the rest of 1999 did.

I feel like I am very special liking Free the most and am very proud. It is a fantastic song. I sat and waited for years 2 hear Moonbeam Levels...when I heard that I was like...,"was that it?" u know? "What was so special about that?"



what's so fucking 'black' about Free? except, of course, the junior-high quality socio-political statement of the lyrics.
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Reply #17 posted 11/11/02 7:18pm

blacksatin515

AaronForever said:

what's so fucking 'black' about Free? except, of course, the junior-high quality socio-political statement of the lyrics.


So...junior-high quality socio-political statement = black? Just curious, because I'm thinking that isn't what you were trying to say, yet it seems that's what you just said.
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Reply #18 posted 11/11/02 7:22pm

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blacksatin515 said:

AaronForever said:

what's so fucking 'black' about Free? except, of course, the junior-high quality socio-political statement of the lyrics.


So...junior-high quality socio-political statement = black? Just curious, because I'm thinking that isn't what you were trying to say, yet it seems that's what you just said.



no. what i was saying was that the theme of the lyrics can be seen as a 'black statement'... unfortunately the lyrics themselves are lame.

thanks for asking me to clarify. you're correct, that didn't look quite right.
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Reply #19 posted 11/11/02 7:24pm

Diva

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Moonbeam Levels, and not just because of a certain gorgeous orger named after it wink
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Reply #20 posted 11/11/02 7:28pm

mistermaxxx

MoonBeam Levels in a Blow out IMHO.
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Reply #21 posted 11/11/02 7:33pm

blacksatin515

AaronForever said:

no. what i was saying was that the theme of the lyrics can be seen as a 'black statement'... unfortunately the lyrics themselves are lame.

thanks for asking me to clarify. you're correct, that didn't look quite right.


It's cool. I really like the lyrics though. They have sort of an ethereal approach toward the idea of freedom, which allows for people to read much into them. Maybe more valid as a spiritual statement than a social, or political statement.
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Reply #22 posted 11/11/02 7:39pm

AaronForever

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blacksatin515 said:

AaronForever said:

no. what i was saying was that the theme of the lyrics can be seen as a 'black statement'... unfortunately the lyrics themselves are lame.

thanks for asking me to clarify. you're correct, that didn't look quite right.


It's cool. I really like the lyrics though. They have sort of an ethereal approach toward the idea of freedom, which allows for people to read much into them. Maybe more valid as a spiritual statement than a social, or political statement.



good point. i still hate the song, though biggrin
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Reply #23 posted 11/11/02 7:52pm

Moonbeam

paisleypark4 said:

hell nah, Free is first!

Moonbeam Levels was made up by people 2 be 'the greatest bootleg'. It is very much over-rated, and the message is aiight, but it aint got no SOUL. Sorry 2 sound racist but it just aint got no black in it like the rest of 1999 did.

I feel like I am very special liking Free the most and am very proud. It is a fantastic song. I sat and waited for years 2 hear Moonbeam Levels...when I heard that I was like...,"was that it?" u know? "What was so special about that?"

What saved me from being mad after that song had went off though was "Make It Thru The Storm" Damn that song is nice!

I like the song, but it's not all that


The theme of "Moonbeam Levels" is VERY soulful. It is a plea for help, a hand outreached for any assistance. It comes from a place of such desperation and despair. How is that not soul?

I think this goes back to the argument about a song being categorized under the "soul" genre and a song having soul. Annie Lennox has soul even though her music isn't necessarily "soul music." Likewise, Musiq Soulchild (what I've heard at least) has no soul even though his music falls under the "soul music" category.

Thematically, "Moonbeam Levels" is about as soulful as it gets, despite the fact that sonically, it may not be classified as a "soul" song.
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Reply #24 posted 11/11/02 7:54pm

blacksatin515

Well, you just keep on hatin it then...

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Reply #25 posted 11/11/02 10:32pm

Natasha

Definitely Free. Love that song. It's a great song and should be a Peace Anthem.
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Reply #26 posted 11/11/02 10:33pm

Natasha

Natasha said:[quote]Definitely Free. Love that song. It's a great song and should be a Peace Anthem. What a great Gospel Tune...
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Reply #27 posted 11/11/02 11:55pm

CalhounSq

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I've only recently developed a liking for Free, couldn't tolerate it before unless a certain mood struck. I choose the Moonbeam! Levels, that is...
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Reply #28 posted 11/12/02 12:01am

Moonbeam

CalhounSq said:

I've only recently developed a liking for Free, couldn't tolerate it before unless a certain mood struck. I choose the Moonbeam! Levels, that is...


hug I love you, girl.
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Reply #29 posted 11/12/02 12:02am

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Moonbeam said:

CalhounSq said:

I've only recently developed a liking for Free, couldn't tolerate it before unless a certain mood struck. I choose the Moonbeam! Levels, that is...


hug I love you, girl.


Right back... love
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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