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Thread started 08/01/08 2:01am

Gimmesomehorns

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Did P´s music fit in Batman?

Some people say P`s music didnt match the dark tone in the movie, and i understand what they meen, but i view it like this:

Batman =Danny Elfman

The Joker =Prince

If you think like that the contrast between the two characters becomes greater.
The Prince-music dont match the Batman-character, but it fits The Joker, at least Partyman and Trust.
I actually wanted to post this in general discusion, but allways when you post something whit the least Prince in it it gets moved.
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Reply #1 posted 08/01/08 2:09am

eireboy34

No it didn't fit the film at all...a pure cynical marketing exercise.
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Reply #2 posted 08/01/08 6:04am

Tame

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I believe that the music matched the movie...Songs that describe "Batman.." are going to be versatile...and "Batman," is mysterious anyway...

I don't believe there will ever be some kind of narrative song that sounds like "Batman's," autobiography.

Although...If Prince was going to do another "Batman," soundtrack...there are plenty of songs throughout his collection that could be used to illuminate certain scenes...with or without the lyrics..."Live 4 Love"...for one..."Arrogance..." even "Chaos and Disorder..." cool
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Reply #3 posted 08/01/08 6:49am

SoulAlive

Several years after the movie came out,the director,Tim Burton,claimed that Warners "pressured" him to use the Prince songs in the film.Apparently,he only wanted two Prince songs to be used,but Prince came up with a whole album and Warners insisted that most of the songs be used.

I think it's a shame the way they treated Prince's music.We hear "The Future" for only a few seconds! "Electric Chair" and "Vicki Waiting" are used as instrumental background music rolleyes
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Reply #4 posted 08/01/08 7:09am

LinnLM1

Prince's songs are hardly in the movie so I think that says it all.
the music knows what your motives are when you are making it

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Reply #5 posted 08/01/08 7:46am

Gimmesomehorns

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LinnLM1 said:

Prince's songs are hardly in the movie so I think that says it all.


But the scene with The Joker crashing the museum to "partyman" is wonderfull!
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Reply #6 posted 08/01/08 7:50am

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To me the songs just seemed crowbar'd in to the movie. They didn't fit at all. Most embarassing for me was the use of Trust. They should have kept Baby I'm A Star, as they'd used in the original filming of that scene, that would have fit better.
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Reply #7 posted 08/01/08 8:12am

booyah

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I like to think of it in terms of a backstory for the world in which it was set - in other words, that The Joker wanted to use music for certain things he was doing, and he had so much money that he commissioned Prince to write some. Prince obliged and provided his client with a few cartoony songs in a couple of days - nothing classic, but exactly what The Joker wanted. Jack Nicholson's Joker was all about creating art (unlike Heath Ledger's anarchic version), so it actually fits pretty well with the story...

In other words, the music used in the film itself as foreground music was what The Joker wanted, not what Prince fans would want.

Of course, this is all nonsense, but it's a fun way to think about the music.
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Reply #8 posted 08/01/08 8:20am

Nothinbutjoy

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I've always thought the music was ill-used/under-utilized in the movie.

As for it fitting into the movie...because of my aforementions thought, overall I'd say no...because IMHO, they just threw it in there.


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Reply #9 posted 08/01/08 9:41am

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Nothinbutjoy said:

I've always thought the music was ill-used/under-utilized in the movie.

As for it fitting into the movie...because of my aforementions thought, overall I'd say no...because IMHO, they just threw it in there.


rose


this is one of the risks of having someone associated with a soundtrack film ..music is ALWAYS giving the back seat
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #10 posted 08/01/08 10:15am

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L4OATheOriginal said:

Nothinbutjoy said:

I've always thought the music was ill-used/under-utilized in the movie.

As for it fitting into the movie...because of my aforementions thought, overall I'd say no...because IMHO, they just threw it in there.


rose


this is one of the risks of having someone associated with a soundtrack film ..music is ALWAYS giving the back seat



O.GGGGG!!!!! hug kiss

Especially if the business relationships of those involved are not so great!

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Reply #11 posted 08/01/08 1:23pm

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Nothinbutjoy said:

L4OATheOriginal said:



this is one of the risks of having someone associated with a soundtrack film ..music is ALWAYS giving the back seat



O.GGGGG!!!!! hug kiss

Especially if the business relationships of those involved are not so great!

rose


NBJ!!!! kiss2 hug

i remember danny elfman wasn't happy either with his score being relagated 2 the back in terms of promotion where prince's was being highly publicized ..
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #12 posted 08/02/08 12:47am

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Everything's relative. I personally liked the 'quirkiness' Prince's music brought to the film, and enjoyed the duality of the music (certain songs representing Batman, others representing Joker).
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Reply #13 posted 08/02/08 1:00am

Gimmesomehorns

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slapper said:

Everything's relative. I personally liked the 'quirkiness' Prince's music brought to the film, and enjoyed the duality of the music (certain songs representing Batman, others representing Joker).
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I enjoyed the duality between the Elman score and P score. wink
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Reply #14 posted 08/02/08 6:34am

kaptainkrunk

prince music add more 2 the joker character and this new joker is lackin that no theme music no jokey character 2 damn dark and it sucked ass jack rules as the joker and prince rules wit batman related music honey
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Reply #15 posted 08/02/08 10:04am

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Gimmesomehorns said:

slapper said:

Everything's relative. I personally liked the 'quirkiness' Prince's music brought to the film, and enjoyed the duality of the music (certain songs representing Batman, others representing Joker).
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I enjoyed the duality between the Elman score and P score. wink


Definitely. Elfman's score was brilliant!
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Reply #16 posted 08/03/08 10:29pm

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kaptainkrunk said:

prince music add more 2 the joker character and this new joker is lackin that no theme music no jokey character 2 damn dark and it sucked ass jack rules as the joker and prince rules wit batman related music honey


i'm with u ..heath was good but he's no jack highfive
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #17 posted 08/03/08 10:33pm

Gohi

Um, Heath DESTROYED Jack's version of The Joker. Jack's version was just him playing himself in clown make-up.

(I say this as a HUGE, HUGE Nicholson fan. Fantastic actor. I'm sure if he was given the same materials to work with as Ledger was, he would have done as good of a job)
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Reply #18 posted 08/03/08 10:37pm

Alamine

yes the music fits.
musically yes, the choice of scales, etc
instrument choice yes, fits perfect
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Reply #19 posted 08/03/08 10:57pm

Gimmesomehorns

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I recently saw the Dark knight and i thought heaths Joker was great, but P´s music woulndt fit with him like Jacks version.
If Heath should have his own partyman scene it should sound more like this
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Reply #20 posted 08/04/08 7:15am

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i think it fit perfect best batman movie ever. i think the new batman movies have ruined the franchise even if there settting records the storylines arent as good. i wish burton had keep doing all of them. leger is good as joker but i dont like bale or any of the other charthers really. i wish they had keep it how it was. instead of dumping the whole storyline. prince was very good at composing for the joker.
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Reply #21 posted 08/04/08 7:53am

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Prince's music doesn't even fit in Prince movies lol
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Reply #22 posted 08/04/08 7:59am

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Rico said:

To me the songs just seemed crowbar'd in to the movie. They didn't fit at all. Most embarassing for me was the use of Trust. They should have kept Baby I'm A Star, as they'd used in the original filming of that scene, that would have fit better.



+1 on the crowbar'd part. I was thinking more like shoe-horned LOL! I really liked Danny Elfman's score. As much as I like Prince's music during this period I felt that it contributed to the campier elements of the film. It stuck out like a really big sore thumb. While Nicholson's Joker was fine for it's time. Heath Ledgers Joker for me was the perfect realization of that character. The Joker is a really sick bastard!
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Reply #23 posted 08/05/08 9:37pm

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Gimmesomehorns said:

I recently saw the Dark knight and i thought heaths Joker was great, but P´s music woulndt fit with him like Jacks version.
If Heath should have his own partyman scene it should sound more like this


lol That could work lol
As long as you don't look at the video that is wink
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Reply #24 posted 08/06/08 3:12am

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obsessed said:

Gimmesomehorns said:

I recently saw the Dark knight and i thought heaths Joker was great, but P´s music woulndt fit with him like Jacks version.
If Heath should have his own partyman scene it should sound more like this


lol That could work lol
As long as you don't look at the video that is wink

lol , it was an impulse i got, how aggresive and crasy this song is.
The vid has nothing to do with the actuall song, the industry band ministry made it.
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Reply #25 posted 08/06/08 5:23am

Imago

no.

The scenes in which his music was actually played seemed forced.
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Reply #26 posted 08/06/08 5:34am

berko

scandoulas fits perfect, I think its when Bruce is carrying a drunk vicki vale up the stairs.....dont u think
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Reply #27 posted 08/06/08 5:54am

dag

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I´ve seen it a long time ago and I don´t remember it very well.

But i love the Batman soundtrack.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #28 posted 08/06/08 11:18am

obsessed

Gimmesomehorns said:

obsessed said:



lol That could work lol
As long as you don't look at the video that is wink

lol , it was an impulse i got, how aggresive and crasy this song is.
The vid has nothing to do with the actuall song, the industry band ministry made it.


lol I think we need lyrics to go with this

Show Me Your Spine

Condition yourself
A condition red
Alert yourself
When you shake the deck
Like you shake my soul
Ah, show yourself
Ah, give me your spine
Take it all in
And I'll take it all in 'til you hurt me

See yourself
Are you dead or alive?
You can feel my flesh
'Cause I'll rip my spine
And I'll show you my innocence
One more game
Won't you play that game for me?
'Cause no one's watching
And no one cares
About your indifference

Ha! Ha!
Ha! Haa!
Ha! Ha!
Ah, show yourself to me
Huh!

Ha! Ha!
Ha! Haa!
Ha! Ha!
Ah, show yourself to me
Huh!
Ahh, show yourself
Unmask yourself
Expose yourself
Show your spine to me
TO ME!

Perfect for the Joker lol
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Reply #29 posted 08/06/08 5:10pm

Gimmesomehorns

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obsessed said:

Gimmesomehorns said:


lol , it was an impulse i got, how aggresive and crasy this song is.
The vid has nothing to do with the actuall song, the industry band ministry made it.


lol I think we need lyrics to go with this

Show Me Your Spine

Condition yourself
A condition red
Alert yourself
When you shake the deck
Like you shake my soul
Ah, show yourself
Ah, give me your spine
Take it all in
And I'll take it all in 'til you hurt me

See yourself
Are you dead or alive?
You can feel my flesh
'Cause I'll rip my spine
And I'll show you my innocence
One more game
Won't you play that game for me?
'Cause no one's watching
And no one cares
About your indifference

Ha! Ha!
Ha! Haa!
Ha! Ha!
Ah, show yourself to me
Huh!

Ha! Ha!
Ha! Haa!
Ha! Ha!
Ah, show yourself to me
Huh!
Ahh, show yourself
Unmask yourself
Expose yourself
Show your spine to me
TO ME!

Perfect for the Joker lol

I didnt listen to the lyrics much, more the mood of the sound, but now that you mention it yeah! lol
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