I've read that Andre was given a gold record for his contribution to Controversy as a concession that he had something to do with it.

I don't really care because he wouldn't have had a hit with it as much as Prince did. Those crybabies need to shut-up.

these days i guess it's a bigger deal than when Duke Ellington freely and generously took and gave back and forth with his band, as all the Jazz masters generally did. Money became more important I guess. Prince was and always will be the leader of the whole minneapolis scene, without him you would not have heard of the rest. So it more than evens out.

blackguitaristz said:

What is Andre Cymone up to these days anyways? Brutha in the Witness Protection Program? He must be living off that Jody Watley $. For someone who supposedly wrote all these Prince songs, he needs to write some new hits for him.

mozfonky said:

having been heard of because of Prince doesn't make them any more or less talented
just sayin

blackguitaristz said:

i was thinking maybe "International Lover" was put in its place
i mean, that song was written with The Time in mind
wow, how i loved the song tho...
played it almost every night with all the lights turned off

couldn't it be a song that prince "took" from him because he knew no one else could sing it to him the way he did...

its kinda like making love to andre or a desire to.


what ever.. they were young dumb and full of cum.
that song is proof of it.

know all of this information now makes that song the gayest moment in prince history.

SCORE!!!!
[Edited 7/30/08 23:02pm]

Snap said:

Prince was the guy with vision, work ethic and creativity necessary to put Minneapolis Funk on the map. He was surrounded by talent but talent is really meaningless because there is so much of it around.

mozfonky said:

u forgot passion. if anything Passion should be at the top of your list.. i didn't fall for him because of his vision, work ethic and creativity.. that grew on me. it was his passion that got my attention.

dreamfirstborn said:

absolutely, point taken.

i wonder what there relationship is like now.
do you think that in time one or the other forgets those times back in the day..way back in the day when its 3 am in the morning and there lying down one here and one there. listening to a song. amagine the first time andre played that song to prince. amagine the amount of passion that sparked inside of him. i wonder if they were looking at each other while listening to this song. i wonder at what point prince said to himself.. i am gonna make u mines? and i wonder at what point andre said... just take me... take me as i am and do with me what ever you want. i think no were in this situation was ever a moment when one said this is mine or the other said no it isn't.. at some point the must have been a moment where they both agreed in saying ... this is ours. and in doing so... i am sure the passion between the two have created a nursey of babies.

Has anyone heard "Red Light"?

SoulAlive said:

Yeah, I have. I've had it since 85.

dreamfirstborn said:

WTF?

Tame is that you?
[Edited 8/1/08 11:00am]

dreamfirstborn said:

blackguitaristz said:

Frantic Moment

written by George, Bootsy & Bernie

Waltervandenvogelwejde said:

And there it is...But u left out WHO it was performed by...

Dayclear said:

No...I'm right here...

blackguitaristz said:

I definitely believe the 'Do Me Baby' story I hadn't heard the DM tour part.

I also believe the stories about the songs'Uptown', 'Controvery',' Cool', and 'Get it Up.'

blackguitaristz said:

I think the fact that Prince had already registered the song as his and the legal costs to sue Prince were a deterrent. I also think Prince may have promised him 'a song to be named later', although I have nothing to back that up.

Snap said:

Wishful thinking. Prince seemingly never asked for it. He heard Andre working on it, and after Andre left, he stayed up all night doing his version. Andre probably didn't know it even existed until he heard the album.

mozfonky said:

Well forget the law, respect for others property, friendship, trust, love . . .

The Time never made money as The Time. Prince did.
That because someone other than the perpetrator of a wrong tangentially benefits we should forgive the wrongdoer?
So I can go rob a bank and as long as I give something to someone, then the robbery was worthwhile and should be overlooked?

jdcxc said:

We're talking maybe three songs at most . . . .

(Falling off the chair, but I'm not laughing)
[Edited 8/2/08 11:11am]

BlackAdder7 said:

pennylover said:

http://www.templetons.com...myths.html

1) "If it doesn't have a copyright notice, it's not copyrighted."
This was true in the past, but today almost all major nations follow the Berne copyright convention. For example, in the USA, almost everything created privately and originally after April 1, 1989 is copyrighted and protected whether it has a notice or not. The default you should assume for other people's works is that they are copyrighted and may not be copied unless you know otherwise. There are some old works that lost protection without notice, but frankly you should not risk it unless you know for sure.

It is true that a notice strengthens the protection, by warning people, and by allowing one to get more and different damages, but it is not necessary. If it looks copyrighted, you should assume it is. This applies to pictures, too. You may not scan pictures from magazines and post them to the net, and if you come upon something unknown, you shouldn't post that either.

The correct form for a notice is:

"Copyright [dates] by [author/owner]"

You can use C in a circle © instead of "Copyright" but "(C)" has never been given legal force. The phrase "All Rights Reserved" used to be required in some nations but is now not legally needed most places. In some countries it may help preserve some of the "moral rights."


U.S. Copyright Act of 1976
The wording of section 102 is significant mainly because it effectuated a major change in the mode of United States copyright protection. Under the last major statutory revision to U.S. copyright law, the Copyright Act of 1909, federal statutory copyright protection attached to original works only when those works were 1) published and 2) had a notice of copyright affixed. State copyright law governed protection for unpublished works before the adoption of the 1976 Act, but published works, whether containing a notice of copyright or not, were governed exclusively by federal law. If no notice of copyright was affixed to a work and the work was, in fact, "published" in a legal sense, the 1909 Act provided no copyright protection and the work became part of the public domain. Under the 1976 Act, however, section 102 says that copyright protection extends to original works that are fixed in a tangible medium of expression. Thus, the 1976 Act broadened the scope of federal statutory copyright protection from "published" works to works that are "fixed."

This is likely why Andre didn't sue, not that Prince didn't actually steal.
It wasn't published or a fixed work when Prince stole it. Prince copyrighted the existing song as his. Much tougher road then for Andre to win.
Wiser to save the money.

blackguitaristz said:

Don't even bother.... Do you read the thread's here? BG is right on point because folks act like P does no wrong...

prime said:

I didn't mean my posts to say Prince didn't out and out steal, I've heard enough stories to believe some of them. He was ruthless, especially in his early days. I can't really rationalize the things he did but I still say that without Prince being Prince you would not have heard of the rest. that doesn't make treating people badly and stealing music right. While we're on the subject, I can think of plenty of artists who rip off the people around them, Chuck Berry stole most of his classic riffs from his piano player, many great singers in history never even wrote their own songs. As stated earlier, Duke Ellington threw everyone together in his great experiment of democracy called jazz. He also was another who could be physically abusive in spite of his elegant image. Elvis really never wrote a song in his life, what does all of this say?? Nothing really, except that no man is an island and that they are all in it together, borrowing, stealing, envying and hopefully not doing it without great love for the music itself, that would really be the only unforgivable thing.

Hmmm No lawsuit..

Unless Prince is paying everyone's rent, I doubt it. I don't see Andre hollering about it, just Pepe.

"Some kind of Lover" is "When Doves Cry"

mozfonky said:

I think Prime was directed thier post at this other person and not you.