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Reply #30 posted 07/28/08 4:29pm

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Joyinrepatition said:

pepper7 said:

Does anyone on here remember 'The Future'??

And that was a single!!!!!????? biggrin biggrin biggrin

Now your cooking on gas!!!...


ya, that was pretty skimpy for a single. i thought the lyrics were pretty deep though.
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Reply #31 posted 07/28/08 4:32pm

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I always hated the song, too. I had a friend explain that it's all about a vibe, and I guess I can hear that.

The whole album, save Batdance, is a little minimalistic to me. I like the dark vibe & a couple tunes, but it feels under-done.
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Reply #32 posted 07/28/08 7:06pm

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Lemon Crush is the bomb yo!

Plus, job and rob still rhyme even without the "a", so there goes your theory. nana
Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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Reply #33 posted 07/28/08 7:16pm

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Revolution said:

Plus, job and rob still rhyme even without the "a", so there goes your theory. nana


It's "job" and "robber" that he has a problem with. I love the song, but he's right that Prince is cheating the rhyme.
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Reply #34 posted 07/29/08 12:47am

SoulAlive

This is a song that I really liked in the summer of '89,but I don't think it has aged well.I tried to listen to it a few weeks ago and I could barely get through it.
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Reply #35 posted 07/29/08 7:08am

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Love this song cool
chill..prince doesnt like men being front row, makes it hard to sing the ballads
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Reply #36 posted 07/29/08 7:31am

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just my 2 cents :

it might have worked better on SOTT,but still a cool song
"a body like yours oughta be in jail..it was on the verge of being obscene"
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Reply #37 posted 07/29/08 7:32am

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mozfonky said:

Joyinrepatition said:


Now your cooking on gas!!!...


ya, that was pretty skimpy for a single. i thought the lyrics were pretty deep though.



i always liked the guitar riffs on this one
"a body like yours oughta be in jail..it was on the verge of being obscene"
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Reply #38 posted 07/29/08 12:21pm

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NDRU said:

I always hated the song, too. I had a friend explain that it's all about a vibe, and I guess I can hear that.

The whole album, save Batdance, is a little minimalistic to me. I like the dark vibe & a couple tunes, but it feels under-done.



Sometimes it just hits the spot!!!!!

cool
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Reply #39 posted 07/29/08 7:54pm

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Look bigben, Prince at his worst is way better tha 90% of other groups at their best.

Do you have any records out? Until you can do better I'd say zip it up.

You got reasons why you don't like the song? That's cool... but they are YOUR reasons; nothin' objective about the song itself.

It is what it is. Some may like it, some may love it, some may hate it, some may not feel one way or the other but what it all comes down to is personal subjective experience.
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Reply #40 posted 07/29/08 9:05pm

JellyBean

Wow. I thought that it was cool. When he wrote the lyrics:

"If I'm workin' at my jobba" I was thinking how is he going pull off a rhyme. Then he comes up with " I'm the victim, U're the robba" I was like; uncle P is one smooth fella!!

This is one of my top ten Prince songs.
“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara
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Reply #41 posted 07/29/08 10:55pm

DANGEROUSx

Efan said:

"All it takes is a little bitty of your ooh pretty pretty"

My favourite line. love
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Reply #42 posted 07/30/08 2:29am

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DakutiusMaximus said:

Look bigben, Prince at his worst is way better tha 90% of other groups at their best.

Do you have any records out? Until you can do better I'd say zip it up.

You got reasons why you don't like the song? That's cool... but they are YOUR reasons; nothin' objective about the song itself.

It is what it is. Some may like it, some may love it, some may hate it, some may not feel one way or the other but what it all comes down to is personal subjective experience.

Is this Prince? Naw, he would of thought of a better name than daktiusmaxi... Isn't most of what is on this forum from a "person subjective experience"? My comment was from a songwriter's (which I am) point of view. I think I am entitled to an opinion. Otherwise all that would be on this site would be "Oh look, there is a pic of P at the airport!", or "How many times has P mentioned himself in a song?". Nothing wrong with those but if that's all this site was I wonder how many would still be on here everyday. If you think Lemon Crush is a lyrical masterpiece, that is your right. But by the other orgers reaction to my post, you may be in the minority here. And P if this is you, sorry brotha. You are still the damn man!
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Reply #43 posted 07/30/08 5:34am

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I personally didn't think the album was bad at all but you could tell it was rushed, i remember reading that he met Burton and a week later he had the whole soundtrack. And if you guys remember accurately, he'd just come off his worst selling album since Dirty Mind so I was happy to see his unrewarded hardwork through the previous brilliant, somewhat unnappreciated post purple rain period end with some commercial success. The video was brilliant, the single was pretty good, some of the lyrics were profound and very dark, Electric Chair always echoed Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska lyrics to me. I even liked the ballads that get so much hate around here. Lemon Crush happens to be a fave off the album, Arms of Orion, Vicki Waiting, not bad stuff at all. I'm sure that he had many of these tracks already and just changed the lyrics but who knows? The album gave our man a much needed shot in the arm at a time when rumours abounded that he was going broke. As he often did when he got such jumps in popularity, he turned around and wasted this momentum with the awful movie GF just another period in the entire epic saga of Prince's career.
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Reply #44 posted 07/30/08 5:58am

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mozfonky said:

I personally didn't think the album was bad at all but you could tell it was rushed, i remember reading that he met Burton and a week later he had the whole soundtrack. And if you guys remember accurately, he'd just come off his worst selling album since Dirty Mind so I was happy to see his unrewarded hardwork through the previous brilliant, somewhat unnappreciated post purple rain period end with some commercial success. The video was brilliant, the single was pretty good, some of the lyrics were profound and very dark, Electric Chair always echoed Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska lyrics to me. I even liked the ballads that get so much hate around here. Lemon Crush happens to be a fave off the album, Arms of Orion, Vicki Waiting, not bad stuff at all. I'm sure that he had many of these tracks already and just changed the lyrics but who knows? The album gave our man a much needed shot in the arm at a time when rumours abounded that he was going broke. As he often did when he got such jumps in popularity, he turned around and wasted this momentum with the awful movie GF just another period in the entire epic saga of Prince's career.


I thought I was the only fan who noticed this lol Whenever Prince is going through a successful period,he finds a way to ruin it the next year...lol..in 1989,Prince was enjoying one of his greatest comebacks.It's a shame that he had to follow it up with 'GB'.
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Reply #45 posted 07/30/08 6:12am

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absolutely, I could swear he either has a commercially self destructive wish or does it intentionally. He seems to do the most subtle and unsubtle things to ruin his chances at being more successful commercially.
[Edited 7/30/08 6:16am]
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Reply #46 posted 07/30/08 6:14am

SoulAlive

mozfonky said:

absolutely, I could swear he either has a commercially self destructive wish or does it intentionally. He seems to do the most subtle and unsubtle things to ruin his chances and being more successful commercially.


Indeed.In the months following 'Batman',he also saw one of his older songs ("Nothing Compares 2 U") become a huge hit when it was recorded by Sinead O'Connor.He was on a roll! Then he had to slow the momentum with 'GB'.
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Reply #47 posted 07/30/08 7:59am

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mozfonky said:

absolutely, I could swear he either has a commercially self destructive wish or does it intentionally. He seems to do the most subtle and unsubtle things to ruin his chances at being more successful commercially.
[Edited 7/30/08 6:16am]

I've wondered this for years now cause it's a big trend with this dude. My theory on this is that he know's his music is great but I think he's so afraid of having that Purple Rain-type of success again, he'll do anything to stop it. It could be making albums that aren't as good as the one before it or making choices that totally go against him having bigger success that he could and should have. If what I think is true, he needs to deal with that. I firmly believe that fear is at the root of this problem and all fear does is kill. Look at what's happened over the course of 20+ years. I hope this makes sense and I could be way off base, but this is my theory on things.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #48 posted 07/30/08 8:29am

Graycap23

It looks like we GOT a LIVE 1 here.....whoo whoo whoo.
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Reply #49 posted 07/30/08 9:01am

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purplecam said:

mozfonky said:

absolutely, I could swear he either has a commercially self destructive wish or does it intentionally. He seems to do the most subtle and unsubtle things to ruin his chances at being more successful commercially.
[Edited 7/30/08 6:16am]

I've wondered this for years now cause it's a big trend with this dude. My theory on this is that he know's his music is great but I think he's so afraid of having that Purple Rain-type of success again, he'll do anything to stop it. It could be making albums that aren't as good as the one before it or making choices that totally go against him having bigger success that he could and should have. If what I think is true, he needs to deal with that. I firmly believe that fear is at the root of this problem and all fear does is kill. Look at what's happened over the course of 20+ years. I hope this makes sense and I could be way off base, but this is my theory on things.



u can't really blame him 4 feeling that way since it seems PR is his ultimate albatross and he can't walk away from it and stretch out musicially without his fanbase and critics alike squawking when he does. i was watching a report on CBS this morning yesterday about musical icons turning 50 this year and wouldn't u know it, the only song they played 4 prince was purple rain, and a shot of his per4mance at the superbowl doing the same damn song, yet when it came 2 madonna and the pedophile, they showed other songs WTF?

if i happen 2 champion prince's music past PR this is the main reason, the man has a lot in his cannon and yet he's reduced 2 or being put in that box of "revolution itus" disbelief

i am not saying GB was the greatest movie of all time, far from it, but the music was still hot. without it, the classics of joy in repetition, elephants and flowers, the question of u, thieves in the temple, still would stand all time wouldn't have been brought 2 the masses.
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #50 posted 07/30/08 11:04am

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I hear ya but some of the stuff he does just borders on self-destructiveness. I don't know what to call it, having balls, or plain being foolish. He follows the breakthrough of Prince with Dirty Mind which nearly ruins him commercially but actually establishes him artistically, He follows the success of Purple Rain with the bodyguard episodes and a psychedelic album which cuts his new following by about 3/4, He follows the success of Diamonds and Pearls with the goofiness of signing the contract which would have him writing on his face and putting out his worst albums and on and on. I feel people are fairly simple, they usually don't change very much and are creatures of pattern and habit. The thing with Prince is, it's a lot more indecipherable.
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Reply #51 posted 07/30/08 11:05am

Graycap23

mozfonky said:

I hear ya but some of the stuff he does just borders on self-destructiveness. I don't know what to call it, having balls, or plain being foolish. He follows the breakthrough of Prince with Dirty Mind which nearly ruins him commercially but actually establishes him artistically, He follows the success of Purple Rain with the bodyguard episodes and a psychedelic album which cuts his new following by about 3/4, He follows the success of Diamonds and Pearls with the goofiness of signing the contract which would have him writing on his face and putting out his worst albums and on and on. I feel people are fairly simple, they usually don't change very much and are creatures of pattern and habit. The thing with Prince is, it's a lot more indecipherable.

Shouldn't all of that tell u something about Prince?
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Reply #52 posted 07/30/08 11:08am

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purplecam said:

mozfonky said:

absolutely, I could swear he either has a commercially self destructive wish or does it intentionally. He seems to do the most subtle and unsubtle things to ruin his chances at being more successful commercially.
[Edited 7/30/08 6:16am]

I've wondered this for years now cause it's a big trend with this dude. My theory on this is that he know's his music is great but I think he's so afraid of having that Purple Rain-type of success again, he'll do anything to stop it. It could be making albums that aren't as good as the one before it or making choices that totally go against him having bigger success that he could and should have. If what I think is true, he needs to deal with that. I firmly believe that fear is at the root of this problem and all fear does is kill. Look at what's happened over the course of 20+ years. I hope this makes sense and I could be way off base, but this is my theory on things.


Could be, could be self sabotage but often times it doesn't seem as deliberate or as calculated as following Purple Rain with ATWIAD. I'm sure he thought GB was a great movie and believed in it before it came out. Sometimes he seems to put his whole soul into things that aren't very good and maybe he should have collaborated more wisely and not been such a control freak.
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Reply #53 posted 07/30/08 11:10am

Graycap23

mozfonky said:

Sometimes he seems to put his whole soul into things that aren't very good and maybe he should have collaborated more wisely and not been such a control freak.


Maybe he should have did it his WAY.....oh yea.....he DID.
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Reply #54 posted 07/30/08 11:22am

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Graycap23 said:

mozfonky said:

Sometimes he seems to put his whole soul into things that aren't very good and maybe he should have collaborated more wisely and not been such a control freak.


Maybe he should have did it his WAY.....oh yea.....he DID.

Yeah, like UTCM and GB? Everyone has limits and everyone needs good counsel, everyone, no matter how gifted. Prince often has gone without this.
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Reply #55 posted 07/30/08 11:47am

Graycap23

mozfonky said:

Graycap23 said:



Maybe he should have did it his WAY.....oh yea.....he DID.

Yeah, like UTCM and GB? Everyone has limits and everyone needs good counsel, everyone, no matter how gifted. Prince often has gone without this.

It's his journey.....
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Reply #56 posted 07/30/08 11:59am

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pepper7 said:

Does anyone on here remember 'The Future'??

And that was a single!!!!!????? biggrin biggrin biggrin


I just put it on..."Batman."
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Reply #57 posted 07/30/08 12:27pm

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SoulAlive said:

mozfonky said:

I personally didn't think the album was bad at all but you could tell it was rushed, i remember reading that he met Burton and a week later he had the whole soundtrack. And if you guys remember accurately, he'd just come off his worst selling album since Dirty Mind so I was happy to see his unrewarded hardwork through the previous brilliant, somewhat unnappreciated post purple rain period end with some commercial success. The video was brilliant, the single was pretty good, some of the lyrics were profound and very dark, Electric Chair always echoed Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska lyrics to me. I even liked the ballads that get so much hate around here. Lemon Crush happens to be a fave off the album, Arms of Orion, Vicki Waiting, not bad stuff at all. I'm sure that he had many of these tracks already and just changed the lyrics but who knows? The album gave our man a much needed shot in the arm at a time when rumours abounded that he was going broke. As he often did when he got such jumps in popularity, he turned around and wasted this momentum with the awful movie GF just another period in the entire epic saga of Prince's career.


I thought I was the only fan who noticed this lol Whenever Prince is going through a successful period,he finds a way to ruin it the next year...lol..in 1989,Prince was enjoying one of his greatest comebacks.It's a shame that he had to follow it up with 'GB'.


Batman was just a tagalong comeback, but after GB he had a genuine comeback with D&P.
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Reply #58 posted 07/30/08 1:17pm

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mozfonky said:

I hear ya but some of the stuff he does just borders on self-destructiveness. I don't know what to call it, having balls, or plain being foolish. He follows the breakthrough of Prince with Dirty Mind which nearly ruins him commercially but actually establishes him artistically, He follows the success of Purple Rain with the bodyguard episodes and a psychedelic album which cuts his new following by about 3/4, He follows the success of Diamonds and Pearls with the goofiness of signing the contract which would have him writing on his face and putting out his worst albums and on and on. I feel people are fairly simple, they usually don't change very much and are creatures of pattern and habit. The thing with Prince is, it's a lot more indecipherable.



there is a book i'm currently reading about prince and i will say that it's heavily on the viewpoints from an african american author, but some of what it says is cutting the essence that many couldn't understand y prince did what he did with atwiad, the symbol album and the writting of slave on his face. it's easy 2 say that what he did was "foolish" unless u understand what a musician faces in the industry and in the public eye.

if u would like i can post the link on this book u may want 2 check out.
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #59 posted 07/30/08 1:24pm

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mozfonky said:

purplecam said:


I've wondered this for years now cause it's a big trend with this dude. My theory on this is that he know's his music is great but I think he's so afraid of having that Purple Rain-type of success again, he'll do anything to stop it. It could be making albums that aren't as good as the one before it or making choices that totally go against him having bigger success that he could and should have. If what I think is true, he needs to deal with that. I firmly believe that fear is at the root of this problem and all fear does is kill. Look at what's happened over the course of 20+ years. I hope this makes sense and I could be way off base, but this is my theory on things.


Could be, could be self sabotage but often times it doesn't seem as deliberate or as calculated as following Purple Rain with ATWIAD. I'm sure he thought GB was a great movie and believed in it before it came out. Sometimes he seems to put his whole soul into things that aren't very good and maybe he should have collaborated more wisely and not been such a control freak.


i'm not saying the parts that were cut out off GB would have made it better, but that film went through drastic edits and things left out from the final cut. but either way what GB suffers from is the budget of the film and how u can tell prince was trying 2 show off the power of paisley park being a place where u can film a entire movie is necessary. when u c the reshots down outside of paisley, the film becomes more open in a sense of air being breathed in2 it from natural sunlight. the next scene is right back inside and u get the feeling of clostraphobia all over again imo
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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