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Printabledealodelandron said: 2elijah said: great explanation There are various groups of Creoles: Belizean Creoles: The Belizean Creole or Kriol are Creole descendants of English log cutters and African slaves[1] who were brought primarily from Jamaica to cut down mahogany trees. Many settlers would often marry or engage in sexual relations with African women, creating this new ethnic group. Today, identifying a Creole may confuse some; a blonde, blue-eyed Creole is not an uncommon sight as the term also denotes a culture that distinguishes more than physical appearance. In Belize, Creole is the standard term for any black person who is not Garinagu, or any person that speaks creole as a first or sole language . This includes immigrants from Africa and the West Indies who have settled in Belize and intermarried with locals. Found this chart Total population approx. 160,000 (including 24.9% of the Belizean population) [1]) Regions with significant populations Belize Los Angeles County Chicago New York City Houston United Kingdom Languages Predominantly Kriol, English Religion Predominantly Protestant, with a minority of Catholic, Muslim, Rastafarian Related ethnic groups Nicaraguan Creoles, Jamaicans, Afro-Caribbeans, West Africans, Scots, Irish, English. [b][Edited 8/4/08 16:31pm] | |
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2elijah said: jdcxc said: Race in America, what a complicated concept. Both Prince's parents are light skinned African-Americans. Which means that they could still have Italian and Creole ancestors. Why is this so hard to understand? I know Purple Rain simplified the equation for a mainstream audience, but the geneological picture of blacks in America have a very complex ancestry. Creole by definition, are black/French/Native American.
Yes, the whole African-American race is mixed;but many of us identify as --African-American because of all the race mixing that went on in America's past and in other countries. Too much in the bloodlines for us to define. We basically carry in our bloodline the blood of many, but most of us identify as African-American or Black. The Creole culture basically originated in the Caribbean.. Here's a little summary of the New Orleans Creoles: "History of Les Gens De Couleur Libres...The Free People of Color in New Orleans.... From the colonial days of New Orleans to the present time, a unique group of people has contributed to the most European city in America. They were the "Gens de Couleur Libres", the Free People of Color. Today, commonly known as "Creoles" or "Creoles of Color", their descendants live in all parts of the country. Some have kept the language and culture bestowed upon them by their ancestors, some have lost this heritage to a more "American" way of life. The purpose of this web site is to educate others about the Creoles of the 19th century and to help present day Creoles learn more of their wonderfully rich heritage. From the earliest days of New Orleans history, free persons of color have coexisted with those of European extraction. Some were former slaves who were able to buy their freedom. City dwelling slave masters would often "lease out" slaves for manual labor along the docks and to other businesses in need of labor. Slaves would be allowed to keep a portion of fees charged to "lessors" for themselves, eventually allowing them to buy their freedom. Children of slave women and white owners were often given their freedom either upon the death of the father or while still young. Thousands of free people of color arrived in New Orleans from Saint- Domingue (now Haiti) after the Slave revolts in the late 1700's and early 1800's. Many also came to New Orleans by way of Cuba after 1809. Although they did not have all of the rights of their white counterparts, many free people of color prospered in 19th century New Orleans As of the 1850's, The Free People of Color owned over 2 million dollars worth of properity...."[/b] [b][Edited 8/4/08 11:40am] There it all is...But see, no matter how much you explain it in terms such as this..you'll ALWAYS have people on here who NEEDS to believe that Prince is something OTHER than black. Like I stated much earlier in this thread, I always found it interesting that people aren't always claiming Morris Day and Andre Cymone are something else besides black. I know both Morris and Andre personally and Andre's complexion is the same as P's natural complexion. (i.e., without the makeup). Morris is naturally lighter than P is. But nobody never questions that Morris and Andre are black. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: 2elijah said: [Edited 8/4/08 11:40am] There it all is...But see, no matter how much you explain it in terms such as this..you'll ALWAYS have people on here who NEEDS to believe that Prince is something OTHER than black. Like I stated much earlier in this thread, I always found it interesting that people aren't always claiming Morris Day and Andre Cymone are something else besides black. I know both Morris and Andre personally and Andre's complexion is the same as P's natural complexion. (i.e., without the makeup). Morris is naturally lighter than P is. But nobody never questions that Morris and Andre are black. You're right no one ever questions Morris or Andre's complexions. I think some fans are looking for some other connection in Prince, but just like Prince, many of our family members come in varying complexions, but many of us identify as Black Americans. All they have to do is take a walk back in America's past and all their questions and curiosities of American Blacks' complexions can be answered. | |
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I always thought Morris looked like he had other leaves in his family tree, particularly before the nose job. That yellow skin and freckles made me wonder. In any case, these rocker gents call themselves black and that ought to settle it. U would think. Speaking of Creole (thread title), Sheila E's mom is creole but everybody automatically labels her Latina. What's up with that? Just a thought.  | |
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He was born Black.  | |
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He was born Black. He look a little two shade. LOL Sorry I had to ... | |
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 Prince is BLACK???? No way. . .   He looks more brownish-tan to me.  | |
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Gimmesomehorns said: I wish we all where color-blind so we wouldnt care.
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No offense to anyone, but I don't understand how people can be "proud" of their heritage. Proud to be American or proud to be black/white just doesn't make sense to me.
Sure, you can be HAPPY to be an American... But if you were born in America, you really didn't have much say in the matter. My dog isn't proud that she's a dog. She's just a dog. I ran a mile in 5 minutes the other day. It took 3 months of training to finally be able to do it. I am PROUD of myself for reaching my goal. But I am black and I'm not proud. I am very happy to be black and wouldn't have it any other way, but I'm not proud. I didn't ask to be black. I didn't achieve it. I'd be black whether I worked at it or not. So, yeah, these people claiming to be proud of being what that have no choice in being doesn't make any sense to me. I am proud I got all my Christmas shopping done before Christmas Eve. I am HAPPY I am a man. I'm not PROUD I am a man. I had no say in the matter. | |
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For some reason, the energy surrounding this debate has always made me feel that people needed this to be true. I remember someone saying to me, "Prince can't be black! He plays killer guitar!" I guess it's hard for some to fathom that God crammed all of that talent and beauty into a little black man... Say it ain't so! 
As for me, It matters not what halfs, quarters, thirds, Prince is. He's a whole genius. Who cares what color gift wrap he was delivered in. I've always wondered why this was ever an issue. | |
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This one always comes about - take a look at him arounf '77 '78.
He is black in the Amercican sense of the word ie he isnt white. Hes folks were black but light skinned, hes mother was very light and he even joked on the Tavis smiley show that that side of the familiy has some cherokee - i think hes maternal grandfather. | |
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blackguitaristz said: 2elijah said: Yes, the whole African-American race is mixed;but many of us identify as --African-American because of all the race mixing that went on in America's past and in other countries. Too much in the bloodlines for us to define. We basically carry in our bloodline the blood of many, but most of us identify as African-American or Black. The Creole culture basically originated in the Caribbean.. Here's a little summary of the New Orleans Creoles: "History of Les Gens De Couleur Libres...The Free People of Color in New Orleans.... From the colonial days of New Orleans to the present time, a unique group of people has contributed to the most European city in America. They were the "Gens de Couleur Libres", the Free People of Color. Today, commonly known as "Creoles" or "Creoles of Color", their descendants live in all parts of the country. Some have kept the language and culture bestowed upon them by their ancestors, some have lost this heritage to a more "American" way of life. The purpose of this web site is to educate others about the Creoles of the 19th century and to help present day Creoles learn more of their wonderfully rich heritage. From the earliest days of New Orleans history, free persons of color have coexisted with those of European extraction. Some were former slaves who were able to buy their freedom. City dwelling slave masters would often "lease out" slaves for manual labor along the docks and to other businesses in need of labor. Slaves would be allowed to keep a portion of fees charged to "lessors" for themselves, eventually allowing them to buy their freedom. Children of slave women and white owners were often given their freedom either upon the death of the father or while still young. Thousands of free people of color arrived in New Orleans from Saint- Domingue (now Haiti) after the Slave revolts in the late 1700's and early 1800's. Many also came to New Orleans by way of Cuba after 1809. Although they did not have all of the rights of their white counterparts, many free people of color prospered in 19th century New Orleans As of the 1850's, The Free People of Color owned over 2 million dollars worth of properity...."[/b] [b][Edited 8/4/08 11:40am] There it all is...But see, no matter how much you explain it in terms such as this..you'll ALWAYS have people on here who NEEDS to believe that Prince is something OTHER than black. Like I stated much earlier in this thread, I always found it interesting that people aren't always claiming Morris Day and Andre Cymone are something else besides black. I know both Morris and Andre personally and Andre's complexion is the same as P's natural complexion. (i.e., without the makeup). Morris is naturally lighter than P is. But nobody never questions that Morris and Andre are black. as far as I could tell NO ONE was trying to say that Prince isn't black. Shit...my skin is white...but I don't just say "I'm white" that's it...no nationalities for me! NO...I'm French/Native American and a lil bit scottish too. So what's the big deal if people wonder about what his nationalities are? Oh and thanx to blackguitaristz and 2elijah for their helpful explainations of Creoles "not a fan"  yeah...ok | |
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Shorty said: blackguitaristz said: There it all is...But see, no matter how much you explain it in terms such as this..you'll ALWAYS have people on here who NEEDS to believe that Prince is something OTHER than black. Like I stated much earlier in this thread, I always found it interesting that people aren't always claiming Morris Day and Andre Cymone are something else besides black. I know both Morris and Andre personally and Andre's complexion is the same as P's natural complexion. (i.e., without the makeup). Morris is naturally lighter than P is. But nobody never questions that Morris and Andre are black. as far as I could tell NO ONE was trying to say that Prince isn't black. Shit...my skin is white...but I don't just say "I'm white" that's it...no nationalities for me! NO...I'm French/Native American and a lil bit scottish too. So what's the big deal if people wonder about what his nationalities are? Oh and thanx to blackguitaristz and 2elijah for their helpful explainations of Creoles Nationality and race/ethnicity are NOT the same thing. His nationality is American and he is mostly of African descent which makes him African-American or Black.  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Bottom line if you're a light skinned brotha/sistah with light eyes u gotta be mixed with something and there's nothing wrong with having something extra in your family tree.
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SCNDLS said: Shorty said: as far as I could tell NO ONE was trying to say that Prince isn't black. Shit...my skin is white...but I don't just say "I'm white" that's it...no nationalities for me! NO...I'm French/Native American and a lil bit scottish too. So what's the big deal if people wonder about what his nationalities are? Oh and thanx to blackguitaristz and 2elijah for their helpful explainations of Creoles Nationality and race/ethnicity are NOT the same thing. His nationality is American and he is mostly of African descent which makes him African-American or Black. OK...so let's stop trippin over what we're calling it and get to the point. So...yes, he's american cause he was born here, his skin is brown so he's of african american decent or black but more immediatly his "ethnicity" or his family lineage is from.....????? apparenly creole, perhaps his daddy's daddy was italian? perhaps his momma's momma was from haiti? perhaps all his past family memeber are straight from africa...who knows? someone's just askin'...that's all. [Edited 8/5/08 7:06am] "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Tremolina said: DesireeNevermind said: Bottom line if you're a light skinned brotha/sistah with light eyes u gotta be mixed with something and there's nothing wrong with having something extra in your family tree.
Apparantly it IS wrong. I'm only guessing but I bet even if you're a dark skinned brotha/sistah with dark eyes you could STILL be mixed with something. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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blackguitaristz said: Ya'll didn't know? Prince isn't black at all. His parents were black. But Prince somehow isn't. Prince just pretended to be black so he would come across "cooler". Andre and Morris, although Andre is the same complexion as P and Morris is naturally lighter than P is, both Andre and Morris are black. Funny how no one ever says Morris and Andre are "mixed. Or how no one "wishes" Andre and Morris were mixed. BUT Prince,...nah..he ISN'T black at all. . But I thought u all knew that?
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Oh lawd, how many times do we have to go over this.
Prince ain't Italian! And he ain't black! He's an Asian with an afro! 
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Shorty said: Tremolina said: Apparantly it IS wrong. I'm only guessing but I bet even if you're a dark skinned brotha/sistah with dark eyes you could STILL be mixed with something. Very true LMAO. Prince - look what U did!! Got ppl on this org getting ethno-obsessed.   | |
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Shorty said: blackguitaristz said: There it all is...But see, no matter how much you explain it in terms such as this..you'll ALWAYS have people on here who NEEDS to believe that Prince is something OTHER than black. Like I stated much earlier in this thread, I always found it interesting that people aren't always claiming Morris Day and Andre Cymone are something else besides black. I know both Morris and Andre personally and Andre's complexion is the same as P's natural complexion. (i.e., without the makeup). Morris is naturally lighter than P is. But nobody never questions that Morris and Andre are black. as far as I could tell NO ONE was trying to say that Prince isn't black. Shit...my skin is white...but I don't just say "I'm white" that's it...no nationalities for me! NO...I'm French/Native American and a lil bit scottish too. So what's the big deal if people wonder about what his nationalities are? Oh and thanx to blackguitaristz and 2elijah for their helpful explainations of Creoles Oh okay, the way the post started I thought you were chewing me out, but then I read the last line. Thanks for thanking me, it's just that there are various groups of Creoles and I think many get confused about it, so the next best thing was to find the info on it and post it.  | |
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Shorty said: Tremolina said: Apparantly it IS wrong. I'm only guessing but I bet even if you're a dark skinned brotha/sistah with dark eyes you could STILL be mixed with something. Most definitely. Don Cheadle had his DNA tested on a special that aired on PBS during Black History month, hosted by Prof. Henry Gates, along with other celebrities and Don's test showed is 13% European, now one would never guess that, but he is still identified as African-American. Tina Turner also had hers tested and she is 33% European and the other 67% is African and Native American. [Edited 8/5/08 17:48pm] | |
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blackguitaristz said: Ya'll didn't know? Prince isn't black at all. His parents were black. But Prince somehow isn't. Prince just pretended to be black so he would come across "cooler". Andre and Morris, although Andre is the same complexion as P and Morris is naturally lighter than P is, both Andre and Morris are black. Funny how no one ever says Morris and Andre are "mixed. Or how no one "wishes" Andre and Morris were mixed. BUT Prince,...nah..he ISN'T black at all. . But I thought u all knew that?
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