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Reply #30 posted 08/01/08 11:57am

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Reply #31 posted 08/01/08 12:04pm

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filmnoirdame said:

So where did the idea come about that Prince's mom was Creole and his dad half-Italian come from?

Both of Prince's parents originated from Louisiana, each relocating independently to Minneapolis before meeting and marrying.

In his early years as a performer, Prince made inconsistent statements about his parents' racial background, including the claims to which you refer. They have persisted as ill-founded rumour, and crop up every now and again.

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It came out of Prince's own mouth but it's still regarded as "ill-founded rumour"? Now that's funny and says much about the man. Sad, but true.
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Reply #32 posted 08/01/08 12:05pm

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i think these are all the same reasons why he did "controversy"


he's definatly black
but i believe there's something else in the bloodline somewhere

has anyone ever tried to look-up his family tree like OPRAH?
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Reply #33 posted 08/01/08 12:20pm

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filmnoirdame said:

So where did the idea come about that Prince's mom was Creole and his dad half-Italian come from?

this was leaked out to the media back in the day to generate publicity.
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Reply #34 posted 08/01/08 12:35pm

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Reply #35 posted 08/01/08 12:37pm

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DesireeNevermind said:

blackguitaristz said:

Ya'll didn't know? Prince isn't black at all. His parents were black. But Prince somehow isn't. Prince just pretended to be black so he would come across "cooler". Andre and Morris, although Andre is the same complexion as P and Morris is naturally lighter than P is, both Andre and Morris are black. Funny how no one ever says Morris and Andre are "mixed. Or how no one "wishes" Andre and Morris were mixed. BUT Prince,...nah..he ISN'T black at all. . But I thought u all knew that?



What crazy shit is this NE way? eek Bottom line if you're a light skinned brotha/sistah with light eyes u gotta be mixed with something and there's nothing wrong with having something extra in your family tree. Same if your're a dark haired, dark eyed caucasion (brother/sister). Everybody does!
Hell, would NE body have though Halle Berry was mixed if they hadn't seen her mom? I she any less mixed than Mariah Carey or Jennifer Beals? Does Ne body ever guess about Cindy Crawford especially when u line her up against Christie Brinkley or Ana Kornukova? Bottom line, the world is made up of fruitcake, ambrosia, and gumbo with some fried rice thrown in!!

People on this site don't have a lick of sense of humour. Not a lick....Somebody tell this person that I was being sarcastic. That I was joking...Well hell, nevermind.
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Reply #36 posted 08/01/08 1:34pm

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Race in America, what a complicated concept. Both Prince's parents are light skinned African-Americans. Which means that they could still have Italian and Creole ancestors. Why is this so hard to understand? I know Purple Rain simplified the equation for a mainstream audience, but the geneological picture of blacks in America have a very complex ancestry. Creole by definition, are black/French/Native American.

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what uve said she be enough for people to understand,,dont see whats so hard to understand
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Reply #37 posted 08/01/08 1:53pm

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eye wish there was no black or white ... he sang 01.08.07 wink

eye guess, if U listen 2 "When Will We B Paid" or Black Sweat U know what he considers 2 b ... even if he said „I don’t consider myself part of any race” in 1980 (Los Angeles Times) ...

“My dad is black and italian. My mom is a mixture of a bunch of things”, he said in those days 2 ...

And why r U so interested in what race he is? Only he knews ...
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Reply #38 posted 08/01/08 3:01pm

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blackguitaristz said:

DesireeNevermind said:




What crazy shit is this NE way? eek Bottom line if you're a light skinned brotha/sistah with light eyes u gotta be mixed with something and there's nothing wrong with having something extra in your family tree. Same if your're a dark haired, dark eyed caucasion (brother/sister). Everybody does!
Hell, would NE body have though Halle Berry was mixed if they hadn't seen her mom? I she any less mixed than Mariah Carey or Jennifer Beals? Does Ne body ever guess about Cindy Crawford especially when u line her up against Christie Brinkley or Ana Kornukova? Bottom line, the world is made up of fruitcake, ambrosia, and gumbo with some fried rice thrown in!!

People on this site don't have a lick of sense of humour. Not a lick....Somebody tell this person that I was being sarcastic. That I was joking...Well hell, nevermind.


U just told me. Ok funny. hehehehe hahahaha hardy har har.
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Reply #39 posted 08/01/08 4:07pm

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If his dad came from New Orleans it is very possible that his dad is half italian. My grandmother was half italian and hailed from that area.
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Reply #40 posted 08/01/08 8:46pm

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i found an old magazine clip i cut out maybe in 87' i must have been maybe 13yrs old anyways it says Princes dad is half italina and his mom was a twin hummm i wonder?

if i can get my scanner to work ill put it up
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Reply #41 posted 08/01/08 10:29pm

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Reply #42 posted 08/01/08 10:33pm

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He can't be part Italian as the names Nelson and Shaw are clearly Anglo Saxon like the majority of black names, mostly arising from names given to their ancestors by slave owners, or when they were emancipated. If their name was Nelsoni or Shawangelo maybe.
If Prince is anything its creole or a mulatto some where back on the line. It goes back to the racist notion that all black people have to look like Roger Troutman or Rick James, jet black, bushy hair 5cm thick lips and wide noses, very stupid stereotypes. You can tell by the shape of his head, his features, mannerisms and choice of self identity Prince is a negro, and definetly not white
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Reply #43 posted 08/01/08 11:17pm

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That was a publicity stunt, like when bowie said he was gay.
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Reply #44 posted 08/02/08 1:05am

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DesireeNevermind said:

blackguitaristz said:


People on this site don't have a lick of sense of humour. Not a lick....Somebody tell this person that I was being sarcastic. That I was joking...Well hell, nevermind.


U just told me. Ok funny. hehehehe hahahaha hardy har har.


????? confused What a strange response! Weird...

I can't imagine that ANYONE wouldn't realise BGZ was being sarcastic, and joking, it was totally obvious! And it was funny too - I thought, and I'm sure MOST other people did too! eek
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Reply #45 posted 08/04/08 9:02am

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Jeffiner said:

DesireeNevermind said:



U just told me. Ok funny. hehehehe hahahaha hardy har har.


????? confused What a strange response! Weird...

I can't imagine that ANYONE wouldn't realise BGZ was being sarcastic, and joking, it was totally obvious! And it was funny too - I thought, and I'm sure MOST other people did too! eek


Alright Already. SHEESH! And No, it was not totally obvious that BGZ was joking but what is totally OBVIOUS is that you are a BGZ fan. good 4 U and maybe I will come around after I've been on this site a few YEARS!

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Reply #46 posted 08/04/08 9:35am

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DesireeNevermind said:

Jeffiner said:

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????? confused What a strange response! Weird...

I can't imagine that ANYONE wouldn't realise BGZ was being sarcastic, and joking, it was totally obvious! And it was funny too - I thought, and I'm sure MOST other people did too! eek


Alright Already. SHEESH! And No, it was not totally obvious that BGZ was joking but what is totally OBVIOUS is that you are a BGZ fan. good 4 U and maybe I will come around after I've been on this site a few YEARS!

~open your heart open your mind, a train is leaving all day.

Nah, just because someone spoke up on my behalf hardly makes them a "fan". I speak up for people on here all the time, have their backs so to speak. Doesn't make me their "fan". Jennifer isn't a "fan" of mine...she was just saying to give me the benifit of a doubt. And as far as you becoming a "fan" of mine, that's not necessary... (See, in case u missed that, I was joking on that last part right there.)
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Reply #47 posted 08/04/08 9:42am

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sheesh this old topic AGAIN!!!!!

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Reply #48 posted 08/04/08 10:18am

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tane1976 said:

He can't be part Italian as the names Nelson and Shaw are clearly Anglo Saxon like the majority of black names, mostly arising from names given to their ancestors by slave owners, or when they were emancipated. If their name was Nelsoni or Shawangelo maybe.
If Prince is anything its creole or a mulatto some where back on the line. It goes back to the racist notion that all black people have to look like Roger Troutman or Rick James, jet black, bushy hair 5cm thick lips and wide noses, very stupid stereotypes. You can tell by the shape of his head, his features, mannerisms and choice of self identity Prince is a negro, and definetly not white

My grandmother on my mother side, her maiden name is Nelson. She and all of my mother side of the family is from Louisiana... Alexandria, Louisiana to be precise. So on my mother's side of the family, is Creole. My father's mother was half Cherokee Indian. And my grandfather on my dad's side was also Creole. So yeah, I'm Creole with Cherokee Indian thrown in, but I'm black. Just like Prince.
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Reply #49 posted 08/04/08 11:05am

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DesireeNevermind said:

Jeffiner said:

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????? confused What a strange response! Weird...

I can't imagine that ANYONE wouldn't realise BGZ was being sarcastic, and joking, it was totally obvious! And it was funny too - I thought, and I'm sure MOST other people did too! eek


Alright Already. SHEESH! And No, it was not totally obvious that BGZ was joking but what is totally OBVIOUS is that you are a BGZ fan. good 4 U and maybe I will come around after I've been on this site a few YEARS!

~open your heart open your mind, a train is leaving all day.


falloff Yeah, and what's also TOTALLY obvious, is that you haven't been around the org. very long, and you're making yourself look pretty stupid to everyone that has! Maybe you should read, observe and absorb a few things before you start shouting your mouth off so loudly and making comments on things you've no clue about - oh and I'm not normally so blunt, as everyone else will KNOW, but you really kind of deserve it...
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Reply #50 posted 08/04/08 11:10am

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^^^ Just off to start the new Blackguitaristz Fansite .....coming soon..... lol lol lol
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Reply #51 posted 08/04/08 11:17am

Jeffiner

blackguitaristz said:

tane1976 said:

He can't be part Italian as the names Nelson and Shaw are clearly Anglo Saxon like the majority of black names, mostly arising from names given to their ancestors by slave owners, or when they were emancipated. If their name was Nelsoni or Shawangelo maybe.
If Prince is anything its creole or a mulatto some where back on the line. It goes back to the racist notion that all black people have to look like Roger Troutman or Rick James, jet black, bushy hair 5cm thick lips and wide noses, very stupid stereotypes. You can tell by the shape of his head, his features, mannerisms and choice of self identity Prince is a negro, and definetly not white

My grandmother on my mother side, her maiden name is Nelson. She and all of my mother side of the family is from Louisiana... Alexandria, Louisiana to be precise. So on my mother's side of the family, is Creole. My father's mother was half Cherokee Indian. And my grandfather on my dad's side was also Creole. So yeah, I'm Creole with Cherokee Indian thrown in, but I'm black. Just like Prince.


That's REALLY interesting I think.... is Nelson a common name then, or not?

Oops, there I go, getting all 'fammy' again wink
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Reply #52 posted 08/04/08 11:28am

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Race in America, what a complicated concept. Both Prince's parents are light skinned African-Americans. Which means that they could still have Italian and Creole ancestors. Why is this so hard to understand? I know Purple Rain simplified the equation for a mainstream audience, but the geneological picture of blacks in America have a very complex ancestry. Creole by definition, are black/French/Native American.



Yes, the whole African-American race is mixed, but many of us identify as --African-American because of all the race mixing that went on in America's past and in other countries. We basically carry in our bloodline the blood of many races. but the majority of us identify as African-American or Black, and yes we vary in complexion from extremely light to very dark. The Creole culture basically originated in the Caribbean, because of all the race-mixing, expecially during the slave trade, due to many rapings of the African and Native American women.

Here's a little summary of the New Orleans Creoles:

"History of Les Gens De Couleur Libres...The Free People of Color in New Orleans....
From the colonial days of New Orleans to the present time, a unique group of people has contributed to the most European city in America. They were the "Gens de Couleur Libres", the Free People of Color. Today, commonly known as "Creoles" or "Creoles of Color", their descendants live in all parts of the country. Some have kept the language and culture bestowed upon them by their ancestors, some have lost this heritage to a more "American" way of life. The purpose of this web site is to educate others about the Creoles of the 19th century and to help present day Creoles learn more of their wonderfully rich heritage.


From the earliest days of New Orleans history, free persons of color have coexisted with those of European extraction. Some were former slaves who were able to buy their freedom. City dwelling slave masters would often "lease out" slaves for manual labor along the docks and to other businesses in need of labor. Slaves would be allowed to keep a portion of fees charged to "lessors" for themselves, eventually allowing them to buy their freedom. Children of slave women and white owners were often given their freedom either upon the death of the father or while still young. Thousands of free people of color arrived in New Orleans from Saint-Domingue (now Haiti) after the Slave revolts in the late 1700's and early 1800's. Many also came to New Orleans by way of Cuba after 1809. Although they did not have all of the rights of their white counterparts, many free people of color prospered in 19th century New Orleans As of the 1850's, The Free People of Color owned over 2 million dollars worth of properity...."[/
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Reply #53 posted 08/04/08 11:40am

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2elijah said:[/quote]


Yes, the whole African-American race is mixed;but many of us identify as --African-American because of all the race mixing that went on in America's past and in other countries. Too much in the bloodlines for us to define. We basically carry in our bloodline the blood of many. .

You will find African Creoles (Krios or Kryos)) Brazilian Creoles, and a multitude of Caribbean Creoles which is basically where they originated because of all the race mixing with the French/Spanish/Africans/Native Americans, especially during the slave trade that went on all over the Caribbean. .[/quote]
Exactly...But the assumption of all Creole's are light skinned is ridiculous. I'm Creole and I'm not hardly light. Sure, I have light-skinned people in my family. My mother is much lighter than I am. You'll have in black families, a brother could be very dark skinned and his sister is very light skinned. Both have the same parents.
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Reply #54 posted 08/04/08 11:44am

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2elijah said:



Yes, the whole African-American race is mixed;but many of us identify as --African-American because of all the race mixing that went on in America's past and in other countries. Too much in the bloodlines for us to define. We basically carry in our bloodline the blood of many. .

You will find African Creoles (Krios or Kryos)) Brazilian Creoles, and a multitude of Caribbean Creoles which is basically where they originated because of all the race mixing with the French/Spanish/Africans/Native Americans, especially during the slave trade that went on all over the Caribbean. .[/quote]
Exactly...But the assumption of all Creole's are light skinned is ridiculous. I'm Creole and I'm not hardly light. Sure, I have light-skinned people in my family. My mother is much lighter than I am. You'll have in black families, a brother could be very dark skinned and his sister is very light skinned. Both have the same parents.[/quote]

The Creole culture basically originated in the Caribbean...Haiti if you will. You have African Creoles (aka Krios) and Brazilian Creoles. All Creole is really definining is someone of mixed ancestry from African/French/Spanish/Native American...same as the descendants living in the Caribbean.
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Reply #55 posted 08/04/08 11:44am

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2elijah said:



Yes, the whole African-American race is mixed;but many of us identify as --African-American because of all the race mixing that went on in America's past and in other countries. Too much in the bloodlines for us to define. We basically carry in our bloodline the blood of many. .

You will find African Creoles (Krios or Kryos)) Brazilian Creoles, and a multitude of Caribbean Creoles which is basically where they originated because of all the race mixing with the French/Spanish/Africans/Native Americans, especially during the slave trade that went on all over the Caribbean. If you look at the Cajun food in New Orleans with all the spices, in the Caribbean. the culture is well known for very spicy foods as well.
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blackguitaristz said:

2elijah said:



Yes, the whole African-American race is mixed;but many of us identify as --African-American because of all the race mixing that went on in America's past and in other countries. Too much in the bloodlines for us to define. We basically carry in our bloodline the blood of many. .

You will find African Creoles (Krios or Kryos)) Brazilian Creoles, and a multitude of Caribbean Creoles which is basically where they originated because of all the race mixing with the French/Spanish/Africans/Native Americans, especially during the slave trade that went on all over the Caribbean. .[/quote]


Exactly...But the assumption of all Creole's are light skinned is ridiculous. I'm Creole and I'm not hardly light. Sure, I have light-skinned people in my family. My mother is much lighter than I am. You'll have in black families, a brother could be very dark skinned and his sister is very light skinned. Both have the same parents.[/quote]
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Reply #57 posted 08/04/08 11:48am

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jdcxc said:

Race in America, what a complicated concept. Both Prince's parents are light skinned African-Americans. Which means that they could still have Italian and Creole ancestors. Why is this so hard to understand? I know Purple Rain simplified the equation for a mainstream audience, but the geneological picture of blacks in America have a very complex ancestry. Creole by definition, are black/French/Native American.


Creoles in Louisiana also include Spanish ancestry in addition to Black/French/Native American.
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Reply #58 posted 08/04/08 11:50am

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^^^True, and there's various groups of Creoles all over the world.
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Reply #59 posted 08/04/08 11:51am

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2elijah said:

blackguitaristz said:

2elijah said:



Yes, the whole African-American race is mixed;but many of us identify as --African-American because of all the race mixing that went on in America's past and in other countries. Too much in the bloodlines for us to define. We basically carry in our bloodline the blood of many. .

You will find African Creoles (Krios or Kryos)) Brazilian Creoles, and a multitude of Caribbean Creoles which is basically where they originated because of all the race mixing with the French/Spanish/Africans/Native Americans, especially during the slave trade that went on all over the Caribbean. .

Exactly...But the assumption of all Creole's are light skinned is ridiculous. I'm Creole and I'm not hardly light. Sure, I have light-skinned people in my family. My mother is much lighter than I am. You'll have in black families, a brother could be very dark skinned and his sister is very light skinned. Both have the same parents.[/quote][/quote]

great explanation. most folks creole, and/or african american culture.
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