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Thread started 10/27/02 5:54pm

leibfrei

2 questions 2 the fam about Jehova

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Reply #1 posted 10/27/02 7:28pm

mzflash

i think that Prince is a Jehovah's witness because of the changes that have taken place. Someone who also attends the Kingdom Hall told me that Prince became a JW after his 'marriage' to Mani. He stopped cussing and now holds himself to a 'higher standard'. The late nite impromtu parties and performances stopped while the lyrical content of some of his most recent music speaks of spiritual beliefs found in the JW faith. And at the celebration we couldn't help notice that one of the regular Paisley security guards was not around. Later we heard that he had left because he wouldn't accept JW doctrine. It's a combination of all of these things that have convinced me. Meanwhile Prince seems happy and is still making music.
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Reply #2 posted 10/27/02 9:06pm

Natasha

I do Believe it,but I don't understand Why?
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Reply #3 posted 10/27/02 11:58pm

lovebird

I was just wondering, If prince and Mani are so 'saved' why are they so money crazy?
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Reply #4 posted 10/28/02 1:45am

Arcamar

What is to been a Jehova witness? -

I beliefe Prince beliefs in GOD, whitch name in the oldest Bibels Jehova is.

Witness... if you have ever felt or experienced YAH's power and Love you are a witness. I meant.

If the question is: Is Prince in the Jehova's Witness community? - So I just can say, I don't know, but it could be possible. If he is or was studing the Holy Scriptures with Larry Graham, doesn't have to mean Prince is in a religieus community, but it could been.
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Reply #5 posted 10/28/02 7:18am

leibfrei

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Reply #6 posted 10/28/02 8:50am

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I believe he's a Jehova's Witness because he told me to read the New World Translation of the Bible and visit a Kingdom Hall 3 times before I made up my mind not to believe. I believe it because he's standing up at concerts and saying that the true Bible is the one who names God as Jehova. I don't know what else you want!

I wish he WEREN'T a religious nut, but I appreciate his courage in standing up and saying what he thinks, knowing what people in this country think of JWs (somewhat unfairly, in my humble athiest opinion).

Doves,
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Reply #7 posted 10/28/02 9:08am

leibfrei

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Reply #8 posted 10/28/02 9:23am

Mr7

leibfrei said:

If you or anybody else really believe Prince is a JW, then why can't anybody simply call the US-JW press burreau? I am sorry, but my english is not good enough to ask them on the phone!

Questions from the media or researchers:
(718) 560-5600
Office of Public Information
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, New York 11201-2483
Fax: (718) 560-5619

Prince's Name is Prince Roger Nelson.

[link] http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm [/link]

Why should the NPG MC deny the JW-thing, if he actually is a Witness?

Why should he mention Aton on TRC, if he thinks that he was *wrong* with his previous incarnations? Because he should think that, beeing a Witness... Otherwise a new press note would sound like: "Prince excluded from Jehovah's Witness". wink



They will not provide confidential information regarding congregation members.
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Reply #9 posted 10/28/02 10:23am

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Why? He wouldn't even help MJ pass out their watchtowers. Mr. Dick Gregory a bishop in the JW's had pressured him to join ages ago. And he said no. All of a sudden I am to believe he would go door to door begging for change right. I bet every dime I have that ain't going to happen in this life time. Especially now they can go back to knocking on folks door. Hi my name is Prince and I am from the JW's and I like a moment of your... door slams. or worse he'd get held hostage by some fan. Just joking. You might have seen one of his brothers at a kingdom hall.
sorry if that was over your head...jump up and try to catch the point next time.
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Reply #10 posted 10/28/02 12:04pm

Mr7

leibfrei said:

If you or anybody else really believe Prince is a JW, then why can't anybody simply call the US-JW press burreau? I am sorry, but my english is not good enough to ask them on the phone!

Questions from the media or researchers:
(718) 560-5600
Office of Public Information
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, New York 11201-2483
Fax: (718) 560-5619

Prince's Name is Prince Roger Nelson.

[link] http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm [/link]

Why should the NPG MC deny the JW-thing, if he actually is a Witness?

Why should he mention Aton on TRC, if he thinks that he was *wrong* with his previous incarnations? Because he should think that, beeing a Witness... Otherwise a new press note would sound like: "Prince excluded from Jehovah's Witness". wink


He DOES NOT mention Aten, he sings 'OTAN'. Read the lyric book.

I saw Prince live in concert only 3 weeks ago and he was advocating The NWT and stating that he read that version because he wanted to know God's name (i.e Jehovah).

The lyrics on 'The Rainbow Children' can be interpreted in many ways, but they are undoubtbly influenced by the Jehovah's Witness faith. Many of the spiritual statements Prince makes on the album are exclusive to the religion. (eg- The Devil on earth in 1914 (Family Name), living forever on a paradise earth (Everywhere), the Theocratic order (1+1+1+3) etc).

Whether Prince is a baptised member of the faith is unconfirmed, but he is clearly associated. To deny this is to deny the obvious.
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Reply #11 posted 10/28/02 12:06pm

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queen627 said:[quote]Why? He wouldn't even help MJ pass out their watchtowers. Mr. Dick Gregory a bishop in the JW's had pressured him to join ages ago. And he said no

There are no 'bishops' in the Jehovah's Witness religion. Such a hierachy does not exist in their arrangements for worship.
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Reply #12 posted 10/28/02 12:35pm

mzflash

Everything concerning this issue is 'hearsay' so i'll just add that i shouldn't have made any statement regarding this subject. After a comment i made on another thread someone who claimed to know the 'facts' tried setting the record straight with me thru org notes. i took this information as the truth since this lady portrayed herself as someone knowing the couple thru the Kingdom Hall. Now i am confused as to why this person is not responding to this thread. If her statements are true and she knows that the source of her information is correct, she could easily post the 'facts' here. Again i admit that what i've written is just 'hearsay' and i do not have any information or real proof to back up my statements.
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Reply #13 posted 10/28/02 12:50pm

leibfrei

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Reply #14 posted 10/28/02 1:08pm

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queen627 said:

Why? He wouldn't even help MJ pass out their watchtowers. Mr. Dick Gregory a bishop in the JW's had pressured him to join ages ago. And he said no. All of a sudden I am to believe he would go door to door begging for change right. I bet every dime I have that ain't going to happen in this life time. Especially now they can go back to knocking on folks door. Hi my name is Prince and I am from the JW's and I like a moment of your... door slams. or worse he'd get held hostage by some fan. Just joking. You might have seen one of his brothers at a kingdom hall.



There is no begging from door to door. Jehovah's
Witnesses accept voluntary donations for the world wide preaching work, BUT all provide for their own expenses through secular employment, even the elders. Also,there are no "bishops" or priests.
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The truth sounds like a memory.
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Reply #15 posted 10/28/02 1:42pm

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Reply #16 posted 10/28/02 2:05pm

TheEnglishGent

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Mr7 said:

leibfrei said:

If you or anybody else really believe Prince is a JW, then why can't anybody simply call the US-JW press burreau? I am sorry, but my english is not good enough to ask them on the phone!

Questions from the media or researchers:
(718) 560-5600
Office of Public Information
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, New York 11201-2483
Fax: (718) 560-5619

Prince's Name is Prince Roger Nelson.

[link] http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm [/link]

Why should the NPG MC deny the JW-thing, if he actually is a Witness?

Why should he mention Aton on TRC, if he thinks that he was *wrong* with his previous incarnations? Because he should think that, beeing a Witness... Otherwise a new press note would sound like: "Prince excluded from Jehovah's Witness". wink


He DOES NOT mention Aten, he sings 'OTAN'. Read the lyric book.

I saw Prince live in concert only 3 weeks ago and he was advocating The NWT and stating that he read that version because he wanted to know God's name (i.e Jehovah).

The lyrics on 'The Rainbow Children' can be interpreted in many ways, but they are undoubtbly influenced by the Jehovah's Witness faith. Many of the spiritual statements Prince makes on the album are exclusive to the religion. (eg- The Devil on earth in 1914 (Family Name), living forever on a paradise earth (Everywhere), the Theocratic order (1+1+1+3) etc).

Whether Prince is a baptised member of the faith is unconfirmed, but he is clearly associated. To deny this is to deny the obvious.


Mr 7, what you say is absolutely correct and to think otherwise is, as you say, denying the obvious. One thing puzzles me though.

At the recents gig in London on the Friday night, he did say that we should study the new world translation, in order to know God's name. The strange thing I thought and a point which I believe may indicate that he is not a fully baptised witnes, was that he himself does not mention the word Jehovah. I know many witnesses and their beliefs are absolute, there is no way I can see a fully baptised witness, who belives with his whole soul, that he is following 'the truth', not preach the name of God. The only reason to avoid this point, would be to fear the response. A fully signed up member would not do this, in my opinion.
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Reply #17 posted 10/28/02 2:56pm

leibfrei

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Reply #18 posted 10/28/02 3:21pm

Alice7

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Pues claro que es Testigo de Gehová!!Esto es un complot universal para que mi familia se ría de mi a la cara!!!No tenía ya suficiente con que se rieran porque me gustase un tipo de lo más raro y extravagante y que se parece, según ellos a Cantinflas!!!(es un actor mexicano muy conocido por sus películas cómicas) y ahora el tío va y se me vuelve Testigo de Gehová!!!, yo que soy atea desde que tenía 8 años!!! Dios Mío (sólo es una expresión)Lo mato!!!
Ayy que se le va a hacer..nadie es perfecto no?(ya lo dijo Wilder en "Con Faldas y a lo loco") razz
Un beso desde la Spain
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Reply #19 posted 10/28/02 9:13pm

Spirit

I think it's rummors started by reporters looking for something to print about Prince.
If Prince is a JW.
I wish he would come 2 my door.
That is one time I would let a JW in my house.
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Reply #20 posted 10/29/02 2:13am

leibfrei

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Reply #21 posted 10/29/02 2:58am

Arcamar

Alice7 said:

(If you want a traslation send me a mail)

Pues claro que es Testigo de Gehová!!Esto es un complot universal para que mi familia se ría de mi a la cara!!!No tenía ya suficiente con que se rieran porque me gustase un tipo de lo más raro y extravagante y que se parece, según ellos a Cantinflas!!!(es un actor mexicano muy conocido por sus películas cómicas) y ahora el tío va y se me vuelve Testigo de Gehová!!!, yo que soy atea desde que tenía 8 años!!! Dios Mío (sólo es una expresión)Lo mato!!!
Ayy que se le va a hacer..nadie es perfecto no?(ya lo dijo Wilder en "Con Faldas y a lo loco") razz
Un beso desde la Spain
Alice7


JEHOVA, se llama JEHOVA y no Gehova. Yo le llamo Yah o Jah, que es el corto. smile
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Reply #22 posted 10/29/02 3:03am

Arcamar

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Reply #23 posted 10/29/02 3:06am

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at some of the recent shows prince says during Muse; the opposite of Nato is MONOTHEISM!

I don't think he's a full JW he just likes their presence, they don't act like obsessed prince fans wink
"Time is a train, makes the future the past"
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Reply #24 posted 10/29/02 4:50am

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Jajajja ya sabía que iba a haber alguien que me corrigiese (después de mi amiga Delores)...pero no esperaba que fuera en público! Ahora quedaré como una paleta total...pero bueno no pasa nasa...Yo es que a Jehová le nombro poco la verdad...
Y, Arcamar, le llamas Yah o Jah? Me suena a risas jajajajajah...
y Yah me suena más a "Vale ya!"
Bueno..vale ya de risas no vaya a ser que un día venga de verdad...y me castigue razz
Besos desde España
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Reply #25 posted 10/30/02 1:22am

Arcamar

Alice7 said:

Jajajja ya sabía que iba a haber alguien que me corrigiese (después de mi amiga Delores)...pero no esperaba que fuera en público! Ahora quedaré como una paleta total...pero bueno no pasa nasa...Yo es que a Jehová le nombro poco la verdad...
Y, Arcamar, le llamas Yah o Jah? Me suena a risas jajajajajah...
y Yah me suena más a "Vale ya!"
Bueno..vale ya de risas no vaya a ser que un día venga de verdad...y me castigue razz
Besos desde España
Alice7


la paleta soy yo cariño, que ni escribo bien el español ni el ingles jijiji

Pues mira yo le llamo como me sale, avecez amor mio, Jah, cariño, precioso tesoro, Allah, lo mas querido y anhelado que tengo en la vida... bueno, ya ves de muchos modos. biggrin
Si teda ganas de reirte hazlo y no te cortes, que la risa es muy sana! biggrin Ojala pudiese reirme yo tambien tan a gusto!wink
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Reply #26 posted 10/30/02 3:23am

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Arcamar:
Escribes muy bien español!!!smile))A veces siento que abuso un poco de las risas pero mi risa es siempre sana y con mucho amor.
Un beso desde España
Alice7
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Reply #27 posted 10/30/02 11:38am

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Spirit said:
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I think it's rummors started by reporters looking for something to print about Prince.

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That is exactly what I believe.
And now look, what his so-called fams have done with this!
Rumors, lies, prejudice...

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What people dont realize is in the jw religion u are not considered a jw until you are baptized. You can study the religion until your ready to commit.
At the rainbow children celebration one of princes ladies who was running a discussion admitted he was (studying) the jw religion. Folks its so noticable that he now believes in the jw religion.
And i do beleive thats why him and Mayte didnt stay together. He gave her religion a chance, and it didnt fly with him, And she sure wasnt down to be a jw.
Anyway who gives a shit what he is. hes still jamming, and know fans are able to get close to him like never before.
I am the Dog Outside Yo Door,

You Are The Cat Looking Intense,

I Bite Yo Leg In Self Defence.
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Reply #28 posted 10/30/02 12:40pm

childofthedawn

Fascinating topic and something which is up 4 a lot of healthy debate. My thoughts on the matter are that Prince is definetly influenced by the JW belief system but also that Prince was brought up Christian. I think Prince went through a very tough time with the whole "mayte" thing including the traumatic experience of losing a child. I think this probably shattered him more than any1 will ever kno. The conflict which i think Prince has is that he questioned his christian values after that whole terrible experince and JW gave him an answer 2 it in part. I know it was many years after the event that he has become very vocal in his beliefs ie TRC, but i think he has always had that notion about God and spirituality. I beleive he has a conflict of beliefs, in one hand he values the JW teaching but on the other he knows that the basic doctrine is inncorrect ie that Jesus is not God. I think that Prince struggles with that because he knows himself who Jesus is but the JW teaches different, so i think he is kinda of picking out certain parts of JW he believes in and mixes them with Christian beliefs he also has, that y i think he wont (or cant) commit fully 2 the JW religion. I have always thought that Prince has been searching 4 Gods plan 4 his life through his music ie the cross, Annastesia, God etc etc and the countless lyrics he weaves into certain songs. Thats y i think he has taken 2 studying the Bible now so deeply, hes 44 hes seen it all and still wasnt satisfied with it all. Im sure many people have influenced Prince 2 study JW and commit 2 it but i just feel that he knows its basic doctrine in wrong, i mean even elvis dabbled with eastern religions but never commited fully in2 them bacuase he always had his strong Christian routes. Im probably making no sense so 4give me. I saw Prince live 3 weeks ago and what i saw was a gift from God who has found inner peace with him, but i dont beleive he is fully convinced of the JW doctrine but hes convinced that the Bible is Gods word 4 him (and us all). I see this latests dilemma 4 him being no different than the 1 he has battled with his basic Christian belief and his sexual overtones he is so famous 4! But i think he is definetly a whole lot happier within himself and he sure as heck is making some divine spiritual funky shake yo pants music!
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Reply #29 posted 10/30/02 2:04pm

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Childof the dawn said,

I beleive he has a conflict of beliefs, in one hand he values the JW teaching but on the other he knows that the basic doctrine is inncorrect ie that Jesus is not God. I think that Prince struggles with that because he knows himself who Jesus is but the JW teaches different,
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Jesus is Gods son. so how do the jw,s teach it?

you confused me on this one !!!
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You Are The Cat Looking Intense,

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