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Reply #90 posted 07/04/08 7:39am

jimmyrogertodd

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mirrorbestfriend said:

thepope2the9s said:




well i just listened to somewhere here on earth, 3121, the word, ....so I'd say Hell NO!

so your the one person who actually bought that sorry album!

And your the one on the site that is suppose to be a fansite to gentleman who made that album. One that many of us enjoyed but apparently you didn't so you have already formed your opinion and those jazz musicians that you said thought that Prince music is stale and whatnot. Where are their albums? I would like to hear what kind of music they made that could match up with or against Prince's.
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Reply #91 posted 07/04/08 7:40am

Graycap23

Aren't u the SAME people who claimed Prince's career was over 10 plus years ago?
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Reply #92 posted 07/04/08 7:40am

jimmyrogertodd

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skywalker said:

Here is the deal:

Prince is 50. In pop music that incredibly "past your prime".

Prince has been in the limelight for the better part of his life (30 years). That means we (fans and now even the mass audience) have grown incredibly comfortable Prince's greatness.

That does no mean that Prince's genius has dulled, it's just that we've had 30 years to become used to it. It is not as shockingly fresh as it was in 1980, 1984, 1987, etc.

That said, some 20 year old kid would come out now, putting out albums like Planet Earth or 3121, critics and fans would be heralding this 20 year old as new, refreshing, genius type talent. But, like I said, it's Prince and we are used to his greatness.
[Edited 7/3/08 8:16am]


Now this is the absolute truth!!!

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Reply #93 posted 07/04/08 8:18am

Empress

I don't agree at all.

I would absolutely hate to see Prince working with the likes of

Pharrel
Neo
Will i am
etc, etc

He does just fine on his own. I don't pine for the old days, so I thoroughly enjoy the music he still releases.
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Reply #94 posted 07/04/08 9:01am

iloveannie

Bewdy, interesting comments. It's funny, Mark Radcliffe and Stuart Maconie were discussing the other night how modern pop stars don't seem to care if they are famous for being in a band, on television or in modeling. As they said, "Led Zeppelin wouldn't have been happy, if they hadn't made it, becoming game show presenters."

Perhaps it's a new business. Then again that's pop. It's different from the rest of the music industry. It's all about appearance and little to do with substance or talent.
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Reply #95 posted 07/04/08 9:59am

DerekH

Empress said:

I don't agree at all.

I would absolutely hate to see Prince working with the likes of

Pharrel
Neo
Will i am
etc, etc

He does just fine on his own. I don't pine for the old days, so I thoroughly enjoy the music he still releases.


I know it would be an easier was to get on pop radio again, like Madonna did with Timbaland, but I don't think Prince would take orders from these younger producers (even if they ARE fans of his or have been influenced by him).

He didn't want Maurice White (EW&F) producing him years ago and he's always done his own thing since "For You".
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Reply #96 posted 07/04/08 11:04am

annastesia1

Prince is relaxing.
He can do whatever he wants.
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Reply #97 posted 07/04/08 11:08am

krayzie

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mirrorbestfriend said:

I was recently talking to a group of musicians at the Red Cat jazz bar in Houston and the subject of Prince came up..they say prince is a great live musician but his inability to work with a producer and open his mind to NEW sounds have made his music stale and uninspired.

basically they all agreed we have seen the best of prince in the 80's.....what we have now is just a shell of the blazing talent we saw 20 years ago?

Do u agree?.....

remember we were discussing studio work not live!


Yes...
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Reply #98 posted 07/04/08 11:45am

LondonStyle

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mirrorbestfriend said:

I was recently talking to a group of musicians at the Red Cat jazz bar in Houston and the subject of Prince came up..they say prince is a great live musician but his inability to work with a producer and open his mind to NEW sounds have made his music [b]stale and uninspired. [/b]
basically they all agreed we have seen the best of prince in the 80's.....what we have now is just a shell of the blazing talent we saw 20 years ago?

Do u agree?.....

remember we were discussing studio work not live!


Ha Ha Ha that's so funny, I Bet none of them could name a artist now thats in their Prime that's creating anything near the sort of music output of Prince? lol so the answer is NO ...Prince wins again
Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
James Brown & Michael Jackson RIP, your music still lives with us!
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Reply #99 posted 07/04/08 4:09pm

wildgoldenhone
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Did someone say Prime rib?
Oh, I'm getting hungry now....drool

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Reply #100 posted 07/04/08 6:55pm

Flowerz

wildgoldenhoney said:

Did someone say Prime rib?
Oh, I'm getting hungry now....drool





.. i'll take a plate of that too, please .. w/ some pepsi
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Reply #101 posted 07/07/08 6:44am

L4OATheOrigina
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Flowerz said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Did someone say Prime rib?
Oh, I'm getting hungry now....drool





.. i'll take a plate of that too, please .. w/ some pepsi


naw put that back on the skillet and COOK IT!!! big grin
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #102 posted 07/07/08 7:32am

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L4OATheOriginal said:

Flowerz said:





.. i'll take a plate of that too, please .. w/ some pepsi


naw put that back on the skillet and COOK IT!!! big grin

falloff I know right! And cut the fat while you're at it too.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #103 posted 07/07/08 8:51am

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purplecam said:

L4OATheOriginal said:



naw put that back on the skillet and COOK IT!!! big grin

falloff I know right! And cut the fat while you're at it too.


highfive that 2!!!
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #104 posted 07/07/08 9:09am

Dayclear

I was wondering why this thread was still alive, now I see it's gone WAY off topic. disbelief
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Reply #105 posted 07/07/08 9:26am

beatz01

Problem with the music of nowadays Prince is he doesn't seem to be willing to take musical risks anymore.But which is something that made him famous in the first place - mixing rock and funk, black/white, explicit lyrics, being on the edge.Show me a Prince album from the past decade or just a single song for that matter that was on (any) edge ? That tried something really new, that took a risk, that didn't try to go the safe route ?

See, the funny thing is the situation has twisted nowadays - back then when Prince started most black artists were playing safe but he was willing to take risks while today many artists have no problem making their music sound edgy while Prince is playing safe.What i'm saying is if Prince still had the musical spirit from back then, he'd try out new (for him) things like make an indie guitar album or an edgy electro-punk one or whatever.Instead, his nowadays music doesn't even try to go somewhere, it stays within the safe and tested waters of "real music with real instruments" (as if that was an indication of quality per se which it isn't) which in return partially is a reason why Prince's latest albums aren't bought by the masses.He's simply becoming too safe.He's still a good composer and of course stunning in live performance, but in terms of production and discovering new musical landscapes he's way behind his own self.I just don't see he's interested to challenge himself in musical terms in any way anymore.

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Reply #106 posted 07/07/08 9:45am

midnightmover

Prince is not the first great artist to lose his edge and he won't be the last. I accepted that years ago.

Is there anything he could do to make his music sound fresh? Yes, he could collaborate more, but that would require a complete personality change on his part and that ain't gonna happen. Accept it and move on.
“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #107 posted 07/07/08 10:23am

purplecam

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I have a question for those who think he's lost his "edge". If you believe this is true, does this stop you from enjoying his music or do you need that "edge" to keep you going with Prince? This is a serious question and I figured it would be best to add it to the discussion.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #108 posted 07/07/08 10:36am

Graycap23

U guys just don't get IT.

Prince's light comes from within. Do u think he cares if u think he is past his prime or not? Prince is a lot like Bruce Lee was. Forever changing, moving, and experimenting with the next thing on his mind. He can't be boxed in or labeled as a lot of people try and do here on the org every other hour. Either accept him as he is.....or HE moves on.
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Reply #109 posted 07/07/08 10:57am

colorblu

midnightmover said:

Is there anything he could do to make his music sound fresh? Yes, he could collaborate more,


cool Prince can collaborate with himself and there'd be an invasion of new sounds in an instant headbang guitar
He's probably just waiting for when we least expect it chair jedi
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Reply #110 posted 07/07/08 12:01pm

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beatz01 said:

Problem with the music of nowadays Prince is he doesn't seem to be willing to take musical risks anymore.But which is something that made him famous in the first place - mixing rock and funk, black/white, explicit lyrics, being on the edge.Show me a Prince album from the past decade or just a single song for that matter that was on (any) edge ? That tried something really new, that took a risk, that didn't try to go the safe route ?

See, the funny thing is the situation has twisted nowadays - back then when Prince started most black artists were playing safe but he was willing to take risks while today many artists have no problem making their music sound edgy while Prince is playing safe.What i'm saying is if Prince still had the musical spirit from back then, he'd try out new (for him) things like make an indie guitar album or an edgy electro-punk one or whatever.Instead, his nowadays music doesn't even try to go somewhere, it stays within the safe and tested waters of "real music with real instruments" (as if that was an indication of quality per se which it isn't) which in return partially is a reason why Prince's latest albums aren't bought by the masses.He's simply becoming too safe.He's still a good composer and of course stunning in live performance, but in terms of production and discovering new musical landscapes he's way behind his own self.I just don't see he's interested to challenge himself in musical terms in any way anymore.

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[Edited 7/7/08 9:28am]


the rainbow children wasn't challenging 4 ur tastes?
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #111 posted 07/07/08 2:51pm

rusty1

TRC was his last challenging album. his last 3 albums i haven't played more than a few times each. PRINCE has lost his edge.
BOB4theFUNK
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Reply #112 posted 07/07/08 2:59pm

RedKite

No.

Prince is not past his prime. Prince is in his prime.

Prince does not need another producer. Unless for fun he uses all his old producer names on an album: Jamie Starr, prince, etc. Like "Rave."

Why would I want to hear Prince songs forced thru a Timbland filter?
The music would be unlistenable, like Madonna's new CD.

So many people would love to produce Prince, control Prince, try to claim credit for something then get rich from it, and then in the process kill the music.

Prince has done it right from the beginning, no need to change it.
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Reply #113 posted 07/07/08 6:12pm

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Graycap23 said:

Aren't u the SAME people who claimed Prince's career was over 10 plus years ago?

it was till beyonce saved him!
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Reply #114 posted 07/07/08 6:54pm

rusty1

LOVE4ONE ANOTHER THE ORINGINATOR... everything Prince does is great. Prince hardly had any fillers from his own works from 1979 to 88. the facts are the facts !! PRINCE has put out entire albums of crap since 1989. chaos and disorder, come, the vault, rave, 3121, planet earth, nps. Prince is still a great live performer who will always get cheered live the most for his 80s genious. I would rather here the deeper cuts such as lady cab driver, strange relationship, condition of the heart oVER ANY of his 90's material. I could listen to those classic albums without hitting the skip buttom at all. the 90s works were inconsistent overall. I'd rather blast 17days than listen to let it go. Prince's great works were kickass from the first beats to the arrangements overall.The begining of let's go crazy kills anything from his 90's era. Those opening keyboard riffs go right through you. According to love prince hasn't lost any of his edginess at all.
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Reply #115 posted 07/07/08 7:03pm

rusty1

I'll say it again. Prince's worst albums and cringing songs come from his 90's period. jughead, now!(is horrible), acknowledge me(flat), anything that tony m. raped on was embarassing, a lot of halfbaked ideas has come from his 90s & on period. When you see a top100 album list of all time from your major critics.... what Prince albums remain a constant making any list... purple rain, 1999, dirty mind, and Sign o' the times are his landmark works. Prince wouldn't be a legend without those albums. prince was an innovator who set the trends back in a day. Prince is past his prime musically like stevie wonder, paul mccartney, and so on..... Prince had a 7year period where his image and music connected with his fans. Prince has lost that musical connection with is fans. Let me guess... Love will answer saying that some of his fans like his 90's work more than sign o' the times. Those wouldn't be his real fans from back in the day who would say that at all.
BOB4theFUNK
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Reply #116 posted 07/07/08 7:05pm

rusty1

rapped on wink
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Reply #117 posted 07/07/08 7:07pm

rusty1

Prince is still a genious as a live performer and all. i liked the gold experience, the symbol album, d&p was alright, emancipation, and TRC. i'm just saying there are a lot of throw away works surrounding those few good albums
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Reply #118 posted 07/07/08 7:09pm

rusty1

How many throw away albums did he record between the prince album and lovesexy... NONE!!.PEACE!!
BOB4theFUNK
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Reply #119 posted 07/07/08 8:54pm

usamud

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mirrorbestfriend said:

I was recently talking to a group of musicians at the Red Cat jazz bar in Houston and the subject of Prince came up..they say prince is a great live musician but his inability to work with a producer and open his mind to NEW sounds have made his music stale and uninspired.

basically they all agreed we have seen the best of prince in the 80's.....what we have now is just a shell of the blazing talent we saw 20 years ago?

Do u agree?.....

remember we were discussing studio work not live!


If you give me the choice to either listen to

1) Prince produced by Timbaland with his prototype beat version No. 485, feat. Justin Timberlake plus 3 guest rappers, and singing nonsense like "tick tack tick tack" over some shitty hookline sounding like my 1986 Casio keyboard

or

2) the "stale and uninspired" Musicology, 3121 and Planet Earth

I will vote for 2) anytime and any day, that's for sure!!!


I so agree with you. I have no idea why Timbaland is considered so great. That crap is not real music!
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