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Printablepplrain said: christerfalck said: Hi
I'm Christer Falck, the person behind this album. Let me comment some of your accusations: 1. Prince will have what is rightfully his when it comes to money. In Norway all cd's made have to be registered at TONO/NCB, and Prince will receive ca. 10% of all the money coming in automatically. 2. We have applied for using his covers. Our response from Universal Publishing was; As long as you're doing straight covers, no-one can stop you. We have done everything by the book. 3. We have had problems with disc 2, but we only sendt out 26 copies with error, and we sendt a new cd to everyone that ordered it. If there still is someone who haven't received the right disc2, please contact me at falck@ccrecords.com, and I'll send you a new one. 4. When it comes to profiting on this album it's absolutely impossible to earn anything. 180,- (NOK) is the PPD (Price per dealer) (ca. 30 dollars). Minus average 20% discount, 25% roylty to the artist, 20% distribution fee, expencive artwork, mastering-costs for 81 tracks AND having paid 20 of the recordings (including the national symphony orchestra, gospelchoirs etc) it's NOT the money that was my goal here. Do the maths. I'm just a big fan. Peace So...  let me get this straight.
A little known Norwegian company decided to do some covers by little known artists from worldly well known artist Prince. Said they were "fans of Prince" and the album was a 50 yrs tribute but obviously didn't know that Prince is viciously defensive of his own work? Hell, how can you be his fan and not know that releasing covers of his work will get him annoyed. He is Prince after all not MJ. 
Yeah right! Sounds like they just wanted to get into the spot light and share some of the glory that Prince took years to work hard for. oh, put your claws back in. there have been plenty of american tribute albums, most of which have suffered fair to dodgy quality and a few of which were just repackaged rehashes of previous tribute collections. at least the "shockadelica" tribute was all original and put together in a quality package. i really don't see how this is trying to "hog the spotlight" from prince...it's a tribute TO prince, for cryin out loud. it would be like criticizing the RNRHOF for inducting prince because you think they're only doing it to call attention to themselves (which is probably truer in their case than in christerfalck's case). some people around here need to take a class in perspective. | |
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Anxiety said: I just received my copy of Shockadelica in the mail a couple of days ago, and it's one of the best Prince tribute collections I've ever heard. I know that's not saying much because most Prince tribute albums are dodgy at best, but there's actually some really well thought out covers on Shockadelica. The whole project seems to have been put together with a lot of thought and care.
If Prince is bullying the people who put this collection together, shame on him. It was obviously created as a sincere tribute and it was done out of love and admiration. Maybe he should sit down and at least listen to the thing before he starts going into blast mode. He might be inspired by the sounds of his own songs through the imaginations of other artists. Again, I think it's a beautiful collection. Get it before the purple goon squad has it obliterated. The thing is regardless of artist you cant just "cover them" or "use their music in a film" whithout contacting them, getting it approved by whomever holds the rights and also paying for it. The creators of this set clearly said "they didnt feel they owed Prince anything but a free copy" well right there they are missing the point. Prince is not the first artist to block "covers", artists turn down requests 24/7. But of course it bothers us because we are fans and want an album like this, which is understandable, but you still have to play by the rules. Ive Done film projects and used music by artists all the time and always have to get the okay, in writing, and pay if need be, or work something out where any profit goes to them etc... Now some artists just say NO to everything. Bruce Springsteen and U2 are almost impossible to get a YES out of i have heard. The biggest "name wise" that have given me an OK and been really cool and fair are a-Ha and its members solo work, they havent ever turned down a request, depending on storyline. So it really depends on who it is, how you present it, and what the theme is. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Anxiety said: I just received my copy of Shockadelica in the mail a couple of days ago, and it's one of the best Prince tribute collections I've ever heard. I know that's not saying much because most Prince tribute albums are dodgy at best, but there's actually some really well thought out covers on Shockadelica. The whole project seems to have been put together with a lot of thought and care.
If Prince is bullying the people who put this collection together, shame on him. It was obviously created as a sincere tribute and it was done out of love and admiration. Maybe he should sit down and at least listen to the thing before he starts going into blast mode. He might be inspired by the sounds of his own songs through the imaginations of other artists. Again, I think it's a beautiful collection. Get it before the purple goon squad has it obliterated. The thing is regardless of artist you cant just "cover them" or "use their music in a film" whithout contacting them, getting it approved by whomever holds the rights and also paying for it. The creators of this set clearly said "they didnt feel they owed Prince anything but a free copy" well right there they are missing the point. Prince is not the first artist to block "covers", artists turn down requests 24/7. But of course it bothers us because we are fans and want an album like this, which is understandable, but you still have to play by the rules. Ive Done film projects and used music by artists all the time and always have to get the okay, in writing, and pay if need be, or work something out where any profit goes to them etc... Now some artists just say NO to everything. Bruce Springsteen and U2 are almost impossible to get a YES out of i have heard. The biggest "name wise" that have given me an OK and been really cool and fair are a-Ha and its members solo work, they havent ever turned down a request, depending on storyline. So it really depends on who it is, how you present it, and what the theme is. what do you think about christerfalck's response in this thread? | |
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Anxiety said: lastdecember said: The thing is regardless of artist you cant just "cover them" or "use their music in a film" whithout contacting them, getting it approved by whomever holds the rights and also paying for it. The creators of this set clearly said "they didnt feel they owed Prince anything but a free copy" well right there they are missing the point. Prince is not the first artist to block "covers", artists turn down requests 24/7. But of course it bothers us because we are fans and want an album like this, which is understandable, but you still have to play by the rules. Ive Done film projects and used music by artists all the time and always have to get the okay, in writing, and pay if need be, or work something out where any profit goes to them etc... Now some artists just say NO to everything. Bruce Springsteen and U2 are almost impossible to get a YES out of i have heard. The biggest "name wise" that have given me an OK and been really cool and fair are a-Ha and its members solo work, they havent ever turned down a request, depending on storyline. So it really depends on who it is, how you present it, and what the theme is. what do you think about christerfalck's response in this thread? Its an interesting response and i think that % is also interesting. I think depending on the songs there are other people that are getting money from this, WB still does own Prince's catalog despite Universal having his publishing, its 2 different things and very complex, a song like "when doves cry" is still a WB product before a Universal product. My guess is that somewhere along the line someone didnt call someone up and tell them about this "covers" album. Hearing Universal say, "as long as its straight covers no one can touch you" doesnt sound right. I mean can i just go into a studio and cut a cover of "stairway to heaven" and Led Zeppelin gets their 10% and they have no right to say "i dont like you covering that song"? im not excusing Prince's actions per say im just seeing it from the other side too. Like i pointed out Springsteen and U2, just try using their music in something, they will always say no unless its some sort of charity thing where they can headline it. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Anxiety said: what do you think about christerfalck's response in this thread? Its an interesting response and i think that % is also interesting. I think depending on the songs there are other people that are getting money from this, WB still does own Prince's catalog despite Universal having his publishing, its 2 different things and very complex, a song like "when doves cry" is still a WB product before a Universal product. My guess is that somewhere along the line someone didnt call someone up and tell them about this "covers" album. Hearing Universal say, "as long as its straight covers no one can touch you" doesnt sound right. I mean can i just go into a studio and cut a cover of "stairway to heaven" and Led Zeppelin gets their 10% and they have no right to say "i dont like you covering that song"? im not excusing Prince's actions per say im just seeing it from the other side too. Like i pointed out Springsteen and U2, just try using their music in something, they will always say no unless its some sort of charity thing where they can headline it. that's certainly a fair and very balanced perspective.  | |
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Anxiety said: lastdecember said: Its an interesting response and i think that % is also interesting. I think depending on the songs there are other people that are getting money from this, WB still does own Prince's catalog despite Universal having his publishing, its 2 different things and very complex, a song like "when doves cry" is still a WB product before a Universal product. My guess is that somewhere along the line someone didnt call someone up and tell them about this "covers" album. Hearing Universal say, "as long as its straight covers no one can touch you" doesnt sound right. I mean can i just go into a studio and cut a cover of "stairway to heaven" and Led Zeppelin gets their 10% and they have no right to say "i dont like you covering that song"? im not excusing Prince's actions per say im just seeing it from the other side too. Like i pointed out Springsteen and U2, just try using their music in something, they will always say no unless its some sort of charity thing where they can headline it. that's certainly a fair and very balanced perspective. Well of coarse its fair and balanced, ……if Springsteen and U2 are also denying people covers, then it must be ok! Where did you take this perspective class again?  | |
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Maybe this is the first negativa comment i make about Prince in my life. The reason is that i always liked the MUSIC and its all that matters. But Prince seems to be more worried with lawsuits and money than with his artistic expression and music nowadays. It like he is with a law book in one hand, a bible on the other and his guitar on the ground. |
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violetblues said: Anxiety said: that's certainly a fair and very balanced perspective. Well of coarse its fair and balanced, ……if Springsteen and U2 are also denying people covers, then it must be ok! Where did you take this perspective class again? don't hate because i agreed with someone else's argument and not yours. 
and my respect for lastdecember's response has nothing to do with springsteen or U2. lastdecember clearly has some industry experience and is offering a rational scenario for a good argument against the compilation. LD even goes so far as to say "i'm not defending prince's actions per se, i'm just seeing it from the other side". some people would defend prince if even if he went on a tri-state killing spree. i don't get the impression lastdecember is one of those people. furthermore, LD seems to have some practical, real world knowledge of how these things work. my perspective class teacher says these are good things to look out for.  | |
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violetblues said: Anxiety said: that's certainly a fair and very balanced perspective. Well of coarse its fair and balanced, ……if Springsteen and U2 are also denying people covers, then it must be ok! Where did you take this perspective class again? The point is some artists are in more of a position to deny things than others, also some are more open to covers and some just arent. To say that everyone under the sun has a right to cover your song and put it out and you have no say, is that fair? I know in my work of film and theater if someone took one of my scripts and wanted to do their version of it and they got shitty actors who basically ruined my story, i would at least want the RIGHT of saying, "sorry but im not giving the pass to this". Not saying that the people on the Prince covers suck or anything like that, im just saying we know the way Prince is, if there was going to be a COVERS record he wants to pick what gets covered and who covers them. I mean when he gets an award HE tells the show who he wants to present him with it, or did we think it was a coincidence that Beyonce and Alicia Keys just happend to give him awards at shows? "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Anxiety said: violetblues said: Well of coarse its fair and balanced, ……if Springsteen and U2 are also denying people covers, then it must be ok! Where did you take this perspective class again? don't hate because i agreed with someone else's argument and not yours.
and my respect for lastdecember's response has nothing to do with springsteen or U2. lastdecember clearly has some industry experience and is offering a rational scenario for a good argument against the compilation. LD even goes so far as to say "i'm not defending prince's actions per se, i'm just seeing it from the other side". some people would defend prince if even if he went on a tri-state killing spree. i don't get the impression lastdecember is one of those people. furthermore, LD seems to have some practical, real world knowledge of how these things work. my perspective class teacher says these are good things to look out for. If he went on a killing spree im sure it would be for a very good reason 
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Anxiety said: violetblues said: Well of coarse its fair and balanced, ……if Springsteen and U2 are also denying people covers, then it must be ok! Where did you take this perspective class again? don't hate because i agreed with someone else's argument and not yours.
and my respect for lastdecember's response has nothing to do with springsteen or U2. lastdecember clearly has some industry experience and is offering a rational scenario for a good argument against the compilation. LD even goes so far as to say "i'm not defending prince's actions per se, i'm just seeing it from the other side". some people would defend prince if even if he went on a tri-state killing spree. i don't get the impression lastdecember is one of those people. furthermore, LD seems to have some practical, real world knowledge of how these things work. my perspective class teacher says these are good things to look out for. Thank You, its just another view and like i said not a defense of his actions because as someone that does film work i tend to need music artists to be "open" to using their work to fit into my storylines, but i do understand their apprehensions depending on who gets paid when all is said and done. Prince still has some very open wounds with WB and i think back to a response he had back in 1998 when he spoke on how when Hammer sampled "when doves cry" people who WERE NOT even part of that song crawled out of the woodwork for their cut, and i doubt things have changed. Lets not forget PRINCE bought his way out of his WB deal he wasnt let go, he gave up alot of his rights to just get away. But once again i would want Prince to be open to letting me use a song in a film but would understand if he said no. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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First of all, I'd like to correct a couple of things:
1. As I have said before, if you make a coversong (in the sivilized part of the world) all the moneybusiness are already taken care of. Either you pay the copyrightfee up front (if your distributors don't have a producer-deal), but in my case, I distribute my cd's through a distributioncenter, which reports every sale to Tono/NCB (the Norwegian answer to americas Harry Fox etc). That means that for every sold cd, Prince receives 100% of ca. 10% of the PPD - price pr. dealer, which in this case is 180 Norwegian kroner (ca. 32 dollars) for the sales via third part dealers, and 10% of 300 Norwegian kroner (54,5 dollars) for the ones we sell directly from our webpage. Norway has on of the worlds best systems when it comes to copyright-services, so the economical part is definitely taken care of. 2. Why making a coverversion: In my world one of the most respectful things an artist can do to salute an other artist is to make an own interpretation of his/her song. By that, the artist performing on my tribute-cd, tells Prince that they recognize his music, the same way that Prince gives a nod to Hendrix, Sly or Radiohead when he makes a coverversion of their music. Shockadelica has gathered 81 of Norways finest musicians, artists and Prince-fans. Their only goal was to tell him (and their fans) that Prince has been an important source of inspiration. Some of the artists even gives Prince the "blame" that they even work with music today. I have handpicked artists in all categories, Prince-fans from most of the musical corners of Norway. Many of the artists have sold 10 times as much records in Norway as Prince. Artists who have spent weeks and months in studio, recording their favourite Prince-song...most of them have rented studios, hired musicians and producers, spent their precious time trying to make a version that may inspire new fans, young people who don't have a clue who Prince is and giving the song new life...and of course hoping Prince would hear their song and mabye think for a second; "That was a nice twist on my song" I can't tell how many artists I have been introduced to by hearing a coverversion. You can have an opinion on the concept "coverversion" as much as you want, but it's silly to doubt that coverversions have been important of the evolving of musical history. Weather any of our coversongs will have the same impact as Hendrix version of Dylans "All along the watchtower", I don't know, but so far the response on "Shockadelica" in Norway, and the overwhelming Prince-hype because of the release of it, MUST have recruited some new Prince-fans out there. The fact that a 81 track/5CD-box enters #8 on the Norwegian official charts, tells a lot about the position Prince has in this country. I have talked to a lot of people who had never heard "Joy In Repetition", but after hearing the version on Shockadelica, having bought Graffiti Bridge. Personally I have bought more than 60 Charlie Mingus-cd's after I discovered Joni Mitchell's "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat". Noone can take away the power of a really good cover, and there are a lot of them on Shockadelica. I'm sure there are a lot of uninteresting stuff there too, but it's all done with the best intentions. 3. When it comes to the process of making a cover, it's a lot of different meanings and rules... The thing is that if you're making a straight cover, you don't have to apply. But if you're doing significant changes (lyrics, removing part of the arrangement, add elements from other songs to it etc) you have to apply to the Publishers. We did that in october 2007. We asked Universal Publishing, Sweden (a sub-publisher of Universal Publishing, USA), and our response was that "as long as you make a straight cover, no-one can stop it". To me that was a "GO", and I asked the artists that they should not make any lyrical changes, and told them to make "straight covers". As far as I'm concerned, we have done everything by the book, and even TONO (the copyright-agency in Norway) were surprised when they heard about this "claim" from Universal Publishing USA. As they said "I've never experienced anything like this". Therefore we keep on selling it, until we know what the reason for stopping it would be. 4. I can understand that Prince wants to have control over his own material. And I can understand his "war" against YouTube, piracy and everyone that steals his music in any way. But I dont understand how this can be worth stopping. One of the artists from the album has a sister who is a friend of Prince. She gave me these answers to why he doesn't like the compilation (I'm not sure if it's his words, or just guessing, but here goes: a. He likes to remain in control of his material whenever possible - I totally respect that (Christer's comment) b. He doesn't feel that his older material represents his spiritual journey NOW and personally either changes them to fit or doesn't perform them. - as long as there are songs registered and published, the songs CAN be covered. All artists go through stages and phases of their lives, but the fact is that the songs are released, and it's allowed to make coverversions of any song ever made, as long as you don't do significant changes. c. He doesn't like the way some of his material was covered in the past, so tries to stop covers when at all possible, except when he has given his permission before hand. - I totally agree. But that's sort of saying that "all country & western is crap". I think all music is good music until proven otherwise. d. He doesn't celebrate birthdays. - me neither, but I won't get angry if someones gives me a present or sings me a birthdaysong. I hope everything will turn out fine. I still haven't heard anything from the publishers since June 10th. And I still haven't heard anything from Prince or his management. I'm quite sure that when (of if) he hears the cd's, or know what kind of people and artists who's behind this, we'll have a peaceful end to this.. I'm quite irritated because of the way media twists this case into a personal issue, where Prince AGAIN has to take the blame. So far I've heard from the publishers and no-one else. I assume they have been told to stop all unauthorized Prince-related material, and I'm quite sure that Prince, himself, has not been involved. It's not a crime trying to protect the songs he has written. We should give him some respect for trying to stand up against something that will certainly be the death of commercial music. Piracy kills music, and that's where the war has to be fought, and Prince does a brilliant job there. But attacking your own fans and fellow musical colleagues will only destroy more. What would Prince fell if Sly, Hendrix, Thom Yorke, Norman Whitfield or Brian Burton would ask him to stop performing his songs? He or she would be embarrased. And I'm afraid that some of the 81 artists, showing their respect with trying to do the impossible: making an interpretation of something they consider A PERFECT SONG to salute their musical hero, are starting to feel a little bit embarrased. It's sort of like giving a very personal gift to someone you love, ant the receiver laughs and takes a good long piss at you. And for those of you who havnt heard it, you can buy or pre-listen to the songs here: www.ccrecords.com, or buy it here (if you're a paypal-user): http://www.thegarden.no/?...5080&gid=0 The cd costs 299 NOK (60 dollars) + shipping | |
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Well, it seems like you really tried to do things in the right manner, and I personally think its, a very nice gesture, and nobody is cheating anybody out of their fair cut (maybe other than the band offering free downloads of "sex shooter"
I once asked my lawyer "what can I do to protect myself someone from suing me?" His answer was “you can’t; anybody can sue you for whatever reason they want. You just have to defend yourself!" It's sad but true here in the United States, good luck, I’m on your side on this one. Everybody has to defend their rights, you yours and Prince his. | |
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christerfalck said: And for those of you who havnt heard it, you can buy or pre-listen to the songs here: www.ccrecords.com,
or buy it here (if you're a paypal-user): http://www.thegarden.no/?...5080&gid=0 The cd costs 299 NOK (60 dollars) + shipping I'd like 2 buy this but can't understand the language 2 place an order..
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I'd like 2 buy this but can't understand the language 2 place an order..
Help?[/quote] If you use this link http://www.thegarden.no/?...5080&gid=0 just press the american flag on top to the left... | |
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christerfalck said: I'd like 2 buy this but can't understand the language 2 place an order..
Help? If you use this link http://www.thegarden.no/?...5080&gid=0 just press the american flag on top to the left...[/quote] Right u r...my apologies. English will do. Thanks  | |
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christerfalck said: 3. When it comes to the process of making a cover, it's a lot of different meanings and rules... The thing is that if you're making a straight cover, you don't have to apply. But if you're doing significant changes (lyrics, removing part of the arrangement, add elements from other songs to it etc) you have to apply to the Publishers. We did that in october 2007. We asked Universal Publishing, Sweden (a sub-publisher of Universal Publishing, USA), and our response was that "as long as you make a straight cover, no-one can stop it". To me that was a "GO", and I asked the artists that they should not make any lyrical changes, and told them to make "straight covers". As far as I'm concerned, we have done everything by the book, and even TONO (the copyright-agency in Norway) were surprised when they heard about this "claim" from Universal Publishing USA. As they said "I've never experienced anything like this". Therefore we keep on selling it, until we know what the reason for stopping it would be. Thanks so much for sharing this information. I'm still foggy on this part. If you got the go ahead from Universal, Sweden and everything was done by the book then what was the claim the Universal USA made. What is it that they state was the problem? | |
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violetblues said: Well, it seems like you really tried to do things in the right manner, and I personally think its, a very nice gesture, and nobody is cheating anybody out of their fair cut (maybe other than the band offering free downloads of "sex shooter"
I once asked my lawyer "what can I do to protect myself someone from suing me?" His answer was “you can’t; anybody can sue you for whatever reason they want. You just have to defend yourself!" It's sad but true here in the United States, good luck, I’m on your side on this one. Everybody has to defend their rights, you yours and Prince his. I don't think its a money issue since it appears that all the correct licensing were filed and all parties would have been paid. It may be a control issue, but from what I'm reading Prince cannot stop covers, so I'm confused as to what Universal had to say when they know they can't do anything about it. | |
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lottielooloo1968 said: gyro34 said: Defend your rights Prince.
 yay! i wanna watch him get macho | |
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I don't get offended.
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christerfalck said: First of all, I'd like to correct a couple of things:
1. As I have said before, if you make a coversong (in the sivilized part of the world) all the moneybusiness are already taken care of. Either you pay the copyrightfee up front (if your distributors don't have a producer-deal), but in my case, I distribute my cd's through a distributioncenter, which reports every sale to Tono/NCB (the Norwegian answer to americas Harry Fox etc). That means that for every sold cd, Prince receives 100% of ca. 10% of the PPD - price pr. dealer, which in this case is 180 Norwegian kroner (ca. 32 dollars) for the sales via third part dealers, and 10% of 300 Norwegian kroner (54,5 dollars) for the ones we sell directly from our webpage. Norway has on of the worlds best systems when it comes to copyright-services, so the economical part is definitely taken care of. 2. Why making a coverversion: In my world one of the most respectful things an artist can do to salute an other artist is to make an own interpretation of his/her song. By that, the artist performing on my tribute-cd, tells Prince that they recognize his music, the same way that Prince gives a nod to Hendrix, Sly or Radiohead when he makes a coverversion of their music. Shockadelica has gathered 81 of Norways finest musicians, artists and Prince-fans. Their only goal was to tell him (and their fans) that Prince has been an important source of inspiration. Some of the artists even gives Prince the "blame" that they even work with music today. I have handpicked artists in all categories, Prince-fans from most of the musical corners of Norway. Many of the artists have sold 10 times as much records in Norway as Prince. Artists who have spent weeks and months in studio, recording their favourite Prince-song...most of them have rented studios, hired musicians and producers, spent their precious time trying to make a version that may inspire new fans, young people who don't have a clue who Prince is and giving the song new life...and of course hoping Prince would hear their song and mabye think for a second; "That was a nice twist on my song" I can't tell how many artists I have been introduced to by hearing a coverversion. You can have an opinion on the concept "coverversion" as much as you want, but it's silly to doubt that coverversions have been important of the evolving of musical history. Weather any of our coversongs will have the same impact as Hendrix version of Dylans "All along the watchtower", I don't know, but so far the response on "Shockadelica" in Norway, and the overwhelming Prince-hype because of the release of it, MUST have recruited some new Prince-fans out there. The fact that a 81 track/5CD-box enters #8 on the Norwegian official charts, tells a lot about the position Prince has in this country. I have talked to a lot of people who had never heard "Joy In Repetition", but after hearing the version on Shockadelica, having bought Graffiti Bridge. Personally I have bought more than 60 Charlie Mingus-cd's after I discovered Joni Mitchell's "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat". Noone can take away the power of a really good cover, and there are a lot of them on Shockadelica. I'm sure there are a lot of uninteresting stuff there too, but it's all done with the best intentions. 3. When it comes to the process of making a cover, it's a lot of different meanings and rules... The thing is that if you're making a straight cover, you don't have to apply. But if you're doing significant changes (lyrics, removing part of the arrangement, add elements from other songs to it etc) you have to apply to the Publishers. We did that in october 2007. We asked Universal Publishing, Sweden (a sub-publisher of Universal Publishing, USA), and our response was that "as long as you make a straight cover, no-one can stop it". To me that was a "GO", and I asked the artists that they should not make any lyrical changes, and told them to make "straight covers". As far as I'm concerned, we have done everything by the book, and even TONO (the copyright-agency in Norway) were surprised when they heard about this "claim" from Universal Publishing USA. As they said "I've never experienced anything like this". Therefore we keep on selling it, until we know what the reason for stopping it would be. 4. I can understand that Prince wants to have control over his own material. And I can understand his "war" against YouTube, piracy and everyone that steals his music in any way. But I dont understand how this can be worth stopping. One of the artists from the album has a sister who is a friend of Prince. She gave me these answers to why he doesn't like the compilation (I'm not sure if it's his words, or just guessing, but here goes: a. He likes to remain in control of his material whenever possible - I totally respect that (Christer's comment) b. He doesn't feel that his older material represents his spiritual journey NOW and personally either changes them to fit or doesn't perform them. - as long as there are songs registered and published, the songs CAN be covered. All artists go through stages and phases of their lives, but the fact is that the songs are released, and it's allowed to make coverversions of any song ever made, as long as you don't do significant changes. c. He doesn't like the way some of his material was covered in the past, so tries to stop covers when at all possible, except when he has given his permission before hand. - I totally agree. But that's sort of saying that "all country & western is crap". I think all music is good music until proven otherwise. d. He doesn't celebrate birthdays. - me neither, but I won't get angry if someones gives me a present or sings me a birthdaysong. I hope everything will turn out fine. I still haven't heard anything from the publishers since June 10th. And I still haven't heard anything from Prince or his management. I'm quite sure that when (of if) he hears the cd's, or know what kind of people and artists who's behind this, we'll have a peaceful end to this.. I'm quite irritated because of the way media twists this case into a personal issue, where Prince AGAIN has to take the blame. So far I've heard from the publishers and no-one else. I assume they have been told to stop all unauthorized Prince-related material, and I'm quite sure that Prince, himself, has not been involved. It's not a crime trying to protect the songs he has written. We should give him some respect for trying to stand up against something that will certainly be the death of commercial music. Piracy kills music, and that's where the war has to be fought, and Prince does a brilliant job there. But attacking your own fans and fellow musical colleagues will only destroy more. What would Prince fell if Sly, Hendrix, Thom Yorke, Norman Whitfield or Brian Burton would ask him to stop performing his songs? He or she would be embarrased. And I'm afraid that some of the 81 artists, showing their respect with trying to do the impossible: making an interpretation of something they consider A PERFECT SONG to salute their musical hero, are starting to feel a little bit embarrased. It's sort of like giving a very personal gift to someone you love, ant the receiver laughs and takes a good long piss at you. And for those of you who havnt heard it, you can buy or pre-listen to the songs here: www.ccrecords.com, or buy it here (if you're a paypal-user): http://www.thegarden.no/?...5080&gid=0 The cd costs 299 NOK (60 dollars) + shipping I received my copy here in New Zealand last week and I'd like to say thank you for what has obviously been a labour of love. The set is beautifully put together both in terms of packaging and thought into thematic tracklisting by cd . Needless to say over so many tracks , it's not all to my taste but then neither was Crystal ball. There are some real gems there and some real funny moments (even if they wer not intended that way) The Nothing Compares 2 u in the style of Elvis springs to mind. I managed to negotiate the ordering process in Norwegian without understanding a word of it so that was fun. Good luck with the lagal stuff. If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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Copycat said: I look forward to downloading Prince's next album off torrent sites because he had the audacity to threatened his own fans with legal action last November.
I hear ya! Not just the next album, I'll also be awaiting the torrent pdf of his new ego photo book too... | |
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meow85 said: Like I said, Prince is an asshole.
But if he keeps this shit up, he's going to wind up back in that weird cultural wasteland he was in during the 90's when no one wanted anything to do with him, unless he was the gag for a late night talk show joke. Prince is squandering all the goodwill and love he received after Musicology, and whether he believes it or not, sooner or later it will bite him in the ass. That said, he's at the point in his career now where a good chunk of the public and even people within the business are going to give him a pass for this kind of behaviour. Because he's essentially a living legend, all kinds of people have been and will continue to turn the other cheek when Prince acts like a spoiled brat. It doesn't help either that he's always kind of been a dick, and that a lot of people suspect he's got a few screws loose. On top of his legend status, I think people are willing to accept his behaviour because these temper tantrums aren't exactly fresh news, and no one wants to upset a nutbar. What Prince needs is someone he respects to knock him down a few pegs. Not the fans, because clearly we don't warrant all that much respect from the little guy. One of his heroes, maybe? I get the feeling he'd listen to Stevie or Joni or someone if they told him what a knob he was acting. Hell, maybe I just found something useful for Big Brother Larry to do..... Big Brother Larry may well want to tell little brother some home truths but he's onto too much of a good thing to really speak his mind - I mean, think of all the money Larry's saved in the last 10 years by substituting Prince's tongue for costly toilet paper with which to clean his ass...  | |
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Looks like Prince was missing his headlines.
Here's a tip Purple One : STOP COVERING OTHER PEOPLE'S SONGS, MAKE YOUR OWN DECENT MUSIC AGAIN AND PEOPLE WON'T HAVE TO BUY YOUR TRIBUTE ALBUMS. Moron. | |
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purplesweat said: Looks like Prince was missing his headlines.
Here's a tip Purple One : STOP COVERING OTHER PEOPLE'S SONGS, MAKE YOUR OWN DECENT MUSIC AGAIN AND PEOPLE WON'T HAVE TO BUY YOUR TRIBUTE ALBUMS. Moron. Good call. But since his music is no longer relevant or engaging, maybe he figures being a dick to his fans is the best way to get press. | |
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viewaskew said: purplesweat said: Looks like Prince was missing his headlines.
Here's a tip Purple One : STOP COVERING OTHER PEOPLE'S SONGS, MAKE YOUR OWN DECENT MUSIC AGAIN AND PEOPLE WON'T HAVE TO BUY YOUR TRIBUTE ALBUMS. Moron. Good call. But since his music is no longer relevant or engaging, maybe he figures being a dick to his fans is the best way to get press. ahhh come on..... Prince is allright  | |
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purplesweat said: Looks like Prince was missing his headlines.
Here's a tip Purple One : STOP COVERING OTHER PEOPLE'S SONGS, MAKE YOUR OWN DECENT MUSIC AGAIN AND PEOPLE WON'T HAVE TO BUY YOUR TRIBUTE ALBUMS. Moron. I actually agree with you on this statement!  Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song 
Proud Wendy and Lisa Fancy Lesbian asskisser  | |
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myloveis4ever said: viewaskew said: Good call. But since his music is no longer relevant or engaging, maybe he figures being a dick to his fans is the best way to get press. ahhh come on..... Prince is allright Puff... puff.... Pass it around!  Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song
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viewaskew said: purplesweat said: Looks like Prince was missing his headlines.
Here's a tip Purple One : STOP COVERING OTHER PEOPLE'S SONGS, MAKE YOUR OWN DECENT MUSIC AGAIN AND PEOPLE WON'T HAVE TO BUY YOUR TRIBUTE ALBUMS. Moron. Good call. But since his music is no longer relevant or engaging, maybe he figures being a dick to his fans is the best way to get press. Awww, did he hurt your wittle feelings??? People here need to get over themselves!!! Prince doesn't owe anybody anything, and if the people behind this Tribute Album didn't follow the guidelines that his record company gave them. He's within his rights to take legal action. It's his right as an American citizen. If you don't like what he's doing, sue him!!! I can already see the replies, "You're a Prince sycophant, who would defend him if he went on a multi-state killing spree"!!! Some of you people need to stop acting like he actually DID go on a killing spree!!! This isn't that serious. It's called the music business for a reason. Musicians sue, and get sued all the time!!! That's what happens when you're in the public eye. People are always trying to take advantage of you. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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