CCCP said: Its just simple - if Prince owns the rights of his songs, anybody who wants 2 use them 4 whatever reason, has 2 pay a fee. If someone makes 5000 copies he pays 4 the rights 2 make 5000 copies and at a performance he would pay 4 the perfomance of a song. If they put it out as a free download, guess how many copies r that than. And it's not their song. Beside that they use it 2 promote themselves too.
I think it's not about doing covers. If Prince covers a song the artist who wrote the song gets a fee. As I understand, the problem is, that they covered his songs, but didn't pay 4 the duplication... Just because there's something everybody loves, not everybody has the right 2 take it. He does not own the rights to a lot of it, Warners do. Don't they? | |
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harveya said: Xemplify said: He’ll probably start suing people for listen to his music next! Watch out people... Nah, he won't do that... just don't sing along to it, OR ELSE Too funny! | |
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catwoman555 said: THEY HAVE THOUGHT THAT THEY SELL IT FOR FREE AND MAKE MONEY ON CONCERTS AND LIVE
PERFORMANCES. SO THEY DID NOT HAVE TO PAY THE FEE. WTF? Is that not what Prince does? What kind of argument is that... My god! [Edited 6/27/08 11:49am] | |
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viewaskew said: I would like to sue him for not making new music, let alone something decent.
I think we should all leave the little wierdo alone, are our lives that desperate for someone to disrupt it like he does now a days? I for one have not listened to his music for a while now and the Dublin disaster just about finished it for me, I have always loved the music and he used to be a bit mistikal but now he has ruined it for me, he is a complete twat and so rude and out of order to his 'fans', the people that made him what he is today and funded his life and dreams. Take the npgmc issue for one, we were promised and paid for life time music and now we cannot listen to any of it? but that is ok yes? He took the piss and took our money and then said f*** it you can't have what you paid for anymore. And we are to just accept this and put up with it. If he opened another site we would probably do the same and he would get away with it again! He is taking the piss out of us all and we just sit here and love him and put up with it. Who are we? Would we let people walk all over us and treat us this way and then just hand over all our money and love to them? We are so sad, I have so had enough of his crap, plenty of other music out there made by people that actually appreciate people liking them. [Edited 6/27/08 11:54am] | |
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Xemplify said: I think we should all leave the little wierdo alone, I for one have not listened to his music for a while now and the Dublin disaster just about finished it for me.
He is taking the piss out of us all and we just sit here and love him and put up with it. Who are we? Would we let people walk all over us and treat us this way and then just hand over all our money and love to them? We are so sad, I have so had enough of his crap, plenty of other music out there made by people that actually appreciate people liking them. ~Under lock and key* | |
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purplecam said: I gotta say this is just another mess in Purple World and frankly I'm getting sick of it. I'm with wonder505 in that I still don't know what Prince is suing these people for and what is the truth in the whole situation but from the surface, it appears that Prince and his team are once again barking up the wrong tree. I don't know about you but I'm sick of hearing about Prince fighting this one and Prince fighting that one. It's taking away from the reason why we're here in the first place. Top it off, it seems that he fights against the wrong people. I would understand if he sued someone like Alex Hahn for that Possessed book for defamation of character or something but he's suing groups and people who actually want to help promote the man and his music. This whole "control" thing is getting out of control. It's going to kill everything he's ever worked for if he doesn't get a handle on this and I don't want to see that. I'm just tired of all of this shit. I agree. | |
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wonder505 said: purplecam said: I gotta say this is just another mess in Purple World and frankly I'm getting sick of it. I'm with wonder505 in that I still don't know what Prince is suing these people for and what is the truth in the whole situation but from the surface, it appears that Prince and his team are once again barking up the wrong tree. I don't know about you but I'm sick of hearing about Prince fighting this one and Prince fighting that one. It's taking away from the reason why we're here in the first place. Top it off, it seems that he fights against the wrong people. I would understand if he sued someone like Alex Hahn for that Possessed book for defamation of character or something but he's suing groups and people who actually want to help promote the man and his music. This whole "control" thing is getting out of control. It's going to kill everything he's ever worked for if he doesn't get a handle on this and I don't want to see that. I'm just tired of all of this shit.
i agree 100%. i was just talking to someone about this. It's been 30 years and this should be a time of celebration and having fun. but its been nothing but news stories about copyright infringements, lawsuits. Prince has not done any interviews, when was the last time we even heard the man speak. Things are just not the same, no official website, no nothing. It's very frustrating and even with me, one of his biggest defenders, i'm becoming weary. then again,maybe i'm spending too much time on the Org. [Edited 6/27/08 9:56am]I agree with this, too. | |
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Xemplify said: viewaskew said: I would like to sue him for not making new music, let alone something decent.
I think we should all leave the little wierdo alone, are our lives that desperate for someone to disrupt it like he does now a days? I for one have not listened to his music for a while now and the Dublin disaster just about finished it for me, I have always loved the music and he used to be a bit mistikal but now he has ruined it for me, he is a complete twat and so rude and out of order to his 'fans', the people that made him what he is today and funded his life and dreams. Take the npgmc issue for one, we were promised and paid for life time music and now we cannot listen to any of it? but that is ok yes? He took the piss and took our money and then said f*** it you can't have what you paid for anymore. And we are to just accept this and put up with it. If he opened another site we would probably do the same and he would get away with it again! He is taking the piss out of us all and we just sit here and love him and put up with it. Who are we? Would we let people walk all over us and treat us this way and then just hand over all our money and love to them? We are so sad, I have so had enough of his crap, plenty of other music out there made by people that actually appreciate people liking them. [Edited 6/27/08 11:54am] The shit Prince is pulling lately does NOT disrupt my life. When I logoff, I don't hear anything about him and the only thing that matters is the music. Prince is walking over people? No. at the end of the day, it's his music. People handing Prince love makes no sense when its someone they do not know. I doubt if people give a damn about other artists they listen to this much. | |
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As long as you don't change any lyrics you can release a cover song as long as you pay the publishing owner the mechanical rate of 9.1 cents per song per unit sold. The original artist can not stop a cover song. BTW - maybe Prince should stop playing those awful cover songs in his concerts. Seems like Prince's lawyers are just trying to find stuff to keep themselves busy so they can keep changing Prince their hourly fee. DJ Dave Paul
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Stymie said: Xemplify said: I think we should all leave the little wierdo alone, are our lives that desperate for someone to disrupt it like he does now a days? I for one have not listened to his music for a while now and the Dublin disaster just about finished it for me, I have always loved the music and he used to be a bit mistikal but now he has ruined it for me, he is a complete twat and so rude and out of order to his 'fans', the people that made him what he is today and funded his life and dreams. Take the npgmc issue for one, we were promised and paid for life time music and now we cannot listen to any of it? but that is ok yes? He took the piss and took our money and then said f*** it you can't have what you paid for anymore. And we are to just accept this and put up with it. If he opened another site we would probably do the same and he would get away with it again! He is taking the piss out of us all and we just sit here and love him and put up with it. Who are we? Would we let people walk all over us and treat us this way and then just hand over all our money and love to them? We are so sad, I have so had enough of his crap, plenty of other music out there made by people that actually appreciate people liking them. [Edited 6/27/08 11:54am] The shit Prince is pulling lately does NOT disrupt my life. When I logoff, I don't hear anything about him and the only thing that matters is the music. Prince is walking over people? No. at the end of the day, it's his music. People handing Prince love makes no sense when its someone they do not know. I doubt if people give a damn about other artists they listen to this much. you are entitled to your opinion. I did put up with a lot, but there is only so much. If the shit that Prince is pulling lately does not disrupt your life then you were perhaps not one of us that: Took the time off work and time out of our lives to go to Ireland, which in turn meant my partner taking time off work and also meant that we had to find a baby sitter for our child and also pay for flights and a hotel, only to have the concert cancelled days before without any reason. That to me is a disruption to my life, so sorry for that. And I for one can say that even though it is only music and only an artist, and with that said devoting to this music and this person for 24 years of your life comes with a certain amount of love, maybe a better word would be admiration, but maybe I have grown up recently and am not prepared to take this shit. Sorry but I am just being honest with how I feel if you do not like that then this is fine, but I am entitled to air my thoughts and views. This is a forum. | |
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This is ridiculous. Good luck Christer.
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psychodelicide said: purplecam said: I gotta say this is just another mess in Purple World and frankly I'm getting sick of it. I'm with wonder505 in that I still don't know what Prince is suing these people for and what is the truth in the whole situation but from the surface, it appears that Prince and his team are once again barking up the wrong tree. I don't know about you but I'm sick of hearing about Prince fighting this one and Prince fighting that one. It's taking away from the reason why we're here in the first place. Top it off, it seems that he fights against the wrong people. I would understand if he sued someone like Alex Hahn for that Possessed book for defamation of character or something but he's suing groups and people who actually want to help promote the man and his music. This whole "control" thing is getting out of control. It's going to kill everything he's ever worked for if he doesn't get a handle on this and I don't want to see that. I'm just tired of all of this shit.
I agree with you; you hit the nail right on the head. I Co-sign Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song
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Xemplify said: Stymie said: I think this post is bullshit honestly. You don't put up his mess and yet you lower yourself to calling him a name and giving a damn enough to post about it.
The shit Prince is pulling lately does NOT disrupt my life. When I logoff, I don't hear anything about him and the only thing that matters is the music. Prince is walking over people? No. at the end of the day, it's his music. People handing Prince love makes no sense when its someone they do not know. I doubt if people give a damn about other artists they listen to this much. you are entitled to your opinion. I did put up with a lot, but there is only so much. If the shit that Prince is pulling lately does not disrupt your life then you were perhaps not one of us that: Took the time off work and time out of our lives to go to Ireland, which in turn meant my partner taking time off work and also meant that we had to find a baby sitter for our child and also pay for flights and a hotel, only to have the concert cancelled days before without any reason. That to me is a disruption to my life, so sorry for that. And I for one can say that even though it is only music and only an artist, and with that said devoting to this music and this person for 24 years of your life comes with a certain amount of love, maybe a better word would be admiration, but maybe I have grown up recently and am not prepared to take this shit. Sorry but I am just being honest with how I feel if you do not like that then this is fine, but I am entitled to air my thoughts and views. This is a forum. I am sorry people made plans to go to Dublin and I do feel he owes you guys an explanation but the things people here applaud Prince for (oh that's just Prince) are the same things some of you guys get mad at him for. Unfortunately Prince did not make you guys spend the money to go. He cannot be blamed for that. housequake even was telling people that the show probably would not be happening. The things said about Prince after this happened were really unfortunate. as long as he does what fans want, he's the best. The moment he disappoints, he's everything but a child of God. The music and the person have to be separate. I've been a fan for 30 years now and I will never understand BPFS. | |
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you are entitled to your opinion. I did put up with a lot, but there is only so much. If the shit that Prince is pulling lately does not disrupt your life then you were perhaps not one of us that: Took the time off work and time out of our lives to go to Ireland, which in turn meant my partner taking time off work and also meant that we had to find a baby sitter for our child and also pay for flights and a hotel, only to have the concert cancelled days before without any reason. That to me is a disruption to my life, so sorry for that. And I for one can say that even though it is only music and only an artist, and with that said devoting to this music and this person for 24 years of your life comes with a certain amount of love, maybe a better word would be admiration, but maybe I have grown up recently and am not prepared to take this shit. Sorry but I am just being honest with how I feel if you do not like that then this is fine, but I am entitled to air my thoughts and views. This is a forum. That’s so lame, what are you, in a binding relationship with Prince? You do what you want, and feel like you want to feel, but Puh-lease, nobody is forcing Prince on you, C h i l l [Edited 6/27/08 13:55pm] | |
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Xemplify said: viewaskew said: I would like to sue him for not making new music, let alone something decent.
I think we should all leave the little wierdo alone, are our lives that desperate for someone to disrupt it like he does now a days? I for one have not listened to his music for a while now and the Dublin disaster just about finished it for me, I have always loved the music and he used to be a bit mistikal but now he has ruined it for me, he is a complete twat and so rude and out of order to his 'fans', the people that made him what he is today and funded his life and dreams. Take the npgmc issue for one, we were promised and paid for life time music and now we cannot listen to any of it? but that is ok yes? He took the piss and took our money and then said f*** it you can't have what you paid for anymore. And we are to just accept this and put up with it. If he opened another site we would probably do the same and he would get away with it again! He is taking the piss out of us all and we just sit here and love him and put up with it. Who are we? Would we let people walk all over us and treat us this way and then just hand over all our money and love to them? We are so sad, I have so had enough of his crap, plenty of other music out there made by people that actually appreciate people liking them. [Edited 6/27/08 11:54am] What is this "we" talk? Speak for yourself. Primce is a musician nothing more. , he's not a government official or president of the united states that we have to put up with. not sure what you mean by our lives being disrupted. never thought any musician had that power over me. i think you are a little overboard. If he turns you off so much, stop listening to his music and stop supporting him. there is too much good music out there.move on and forget about Prince. not sure what else to tell you. | |
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Like I said, Prince is an asshole.
But if he keeps this shit up, he's going to wind up back in that weird cultural wasteland he was in during the 90's when no one wanted anything to do with him, unless he was the gag for a late night talk show joke. Prince is squandering all the goodwill and love he received after Musicology, and whether he believes it or not, sooner or later it will bite him in the ass. That said, he's at the point in his career now where a good chunk of the public and even people within the business are going to give him a pass for this kind of behaviour. Because he's essentially a living legend, all kinds of people have been and will continue to turn the other cheek when Prince acts like a spoiled brat. It doesn't help either that he's always kind of been a dick, and that a lot of people suspect he's got a few screws loose. On top of his legend status, I think people are willing to accept his behaviour because these temper tantrums aren't exactly fresh news, and no one wants to upset a nutbar. What Prince needs is someone he respects to knock him down a few pegs. Not the fans, because clearly we don't warrant all that much respect from the little guy. One of his heroes, maybe? I get the feeling he'd listen to Stevie or Joni or someone if they told him what a knob he was acting. Hell, maybe I just found something useful for Big Brother Larry to do..... "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Xemplify said: viewaskew said: I would like to sue him for not making new music, let alone something decent.
I think we should all leave the little wierdo alone, are our lives that desperate for someone to disrupt it like he does now a days? I for one have not listened to his music for a while now and the Dublin disaster just about finished it for me, I have always loved the music and he used to be a bit mistikal but now he has ruined it for me, he is a complete twat and so rude and out of order to his 'fans', the people that made him what he is today and funded his life and dreams. Take the npgmc issue for one, we were promised and paid for life time music and now we cannot listen to any of it? but that is ok yes? He took the piss and took our money and then said f*** it you can't have what you paid for anymore. And we are to just accept this and put up with it. If he opened another site we would probably do the same and he would get away with it again! He is taking the piss out of us all and we just sit here and love him and put up with it. Who are we? Would we let people walk all over us and treat us this way and then just hand over all our money and love to them? We are so sad, I have so had enough of his crap, plenty of other music out there made by people that actually appreciate people liking them. [Edited 6/27/08 11:54am] I am not a part of the "we" that you talk about. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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viewaskew said: I would like to sue him for not making new music, let alone something decent.
we know you would. | |
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wonder505 said: Xemplify said: I think we should all leave the little wierdo alone, are our lives that desperate for someone to disrupt it like he does now a days? I for one have not listened to his music for a while now and the Dublin disaster just about finished it for me, I have always loved the music and he used to be a bit mistikal but now he has ruined it for me, he is a complete twat and so rude and out of order to his 'fans', the people that made him what he is today and funded his life and dreams. Take the npgmc issue for one, we were promised and paid for life time music and now we cannot listen to any of it? but that is ok yes? He took the piss and took our money and then said f*** it you can't have what you paid for anymore. And we are to just accept this and put up with it. If he opened another site we would probably do the same and he would get away with it again! He is taking the piss out of us all and we just sit here and love him and put up with it. Who are we? Would we let people walk all over us and treat us this way and then just hand over all our money and love to them? We are so sad, I have so had enough of his crap, plenty of other music out there made by people that actually appreciate people liking them. [Edited 6/27/08 11:54am] What is this "we" talk? Speak for yourself. Primce is a musician nothing more. , he's not a government official or president of the united states that we have to put up with. not sure what you mean by our lives being disrupted. never thought any musician had that power over me. i think you are a little overboard. If he turns you off so much, stop listening to his music and stop supporting him. there is too much good music out there.move on and forget about Prince. not sure what else to tell you. I think that is what I have said? I have stopped listening to his music and supporting him, your last sentance is exactly what i said previously, maybe you should have read that before posting. | |
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purplecam said: Xemplify said: I think we should all leave the little wierdo alone, are our lives that desperate for someone to disrupt it like he does now a days? I for one have not listened to his music for a while now and the Dublin disaster just about finished it for me, I have always loved the music and he used to be a bit mistikal but now he has ruined it for me, he is a complete twat and so rude and out of order to his 'fans', the people that made him what he is today and funded his life and dreams. Take the npgmc issue for one, we were promised and paid for life time music and now we cannot listen to any of it? but that is ok yes? He took the piss and took our money and then said f*** it you can't have what you paid for anymore. And we are to just accept this and put up with it. If he opened another site we would probably do the same and he would get away with it again! He is taking the piss out of us all and we just sit here and love him and put up with it. Who are we? Would we let people walk all over us and treat us this way and then just hand over all our money and love to them? We are so sad, I have so had enough of his crap, plenty of other music out there made by people that actually appreciate people liking them. [Edited 6/27/08 11:54am] I am not a part of the "we" that you talk about. you may not be but I am sure that so many others are that come to this 'forum' everyting is not just directed at you... Please! | |
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psychodelicide said: Okay . . . HYSTERICAL. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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meow85 said: Like I said, Prince is an asshole.
But if he keeps this shit up, he's going to wind up back in that weird cultural wasteland he was in during the 90's when no one wanted anything to do with him, unless he was the gag for a late night talk show joke. Prince is squandering all the goodwill and love he received after Musicology, and whether he believes it or not, sooner or later it will bite him in the ass. That said, he's at the point in his career now where a good chunk of the public and even people within the business are going to give him a pass for this kind of behaviour. Because he's essentially a living legend, all kinds of people have been and will continue to turn the other cheek when Prince acts like a spoiled brat. It doesn't help either that he's always kind of been a dick, and that a lot of people suspect he's got a few screws loose. On top of his legend status, I think people are willing to accept his behaviour because these temper tantrums aren't exactly fresh news, and no one wants to upset a nutbar. What Prince needs is someone he respects to knock him down a few pegs. Not the fans, because clearly we don't warrant all that much respect from the little guy. One of his heroes, maybe? I get the feeling he'd listen to Stevie or Joni or someone if they told him what a knob he was acting. Hell, maybe I just found something useful for Big Brother Larry to do..... So true | |
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namepeace said: psychodelicide said: Okay . . . HYSTERICAL. | |
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namepeace said: psychodelicide said: Okay . . . HYSTERICAL. Thanks. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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Xemplify said: namepeace said: Okay . . . HYSTERICAL. I'll bet Prince doesn't find that picture hysterical. I can picture him looking at it and rolling his eyes. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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He has every right to do so. Even if one thinks it's a punk move, it's his life and his music. WE make the choice to patronize HIM. At the end of the day, he doesn't really owe us anything, no matter how emotionally connected some of us may be to his music. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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look, at the end of the day it comes down to this for me:
prince creates and sells a product for a living: his music. you can add in his films, his perfumes, his tamboroccas, whatever - but if we pare it down to the bare essentials, his speciality is music. i am a consumer of prince's product, nothing more and nothing less. because i like whatever formula makes prince's music unique, i am a follower of whatever music he releases. i guess this makes me a "fan", but again, bare essentials: i am a consumer of a particular product, and i continue to purchase the product because i enjoy it. because i enjoy all this music, it doesn't mean there's any "personal relationship" or "moral obligation" or anything else. prince makes something. i like it. i buy it. i own it and i enjoy it. that's how it works for me. now: if prince somehow throws a wrench in his own machine and his product ain't what it used to be, or if he just up and quits producing his product, then i as a consumer may be enticed by other fans who have the ability to cash in on his market by way of tributes or other memorabilia. if the quality of those products are satisfactory to me and they seem to be created in celebration of prince's legacy, i'm not going to have a problem giving my money and owning these products. prince has to understand that just because he's packed up his toys and left the playground, he built most of the swings and slides and guess what? we're not about to leave the park yet. if other people wanna pick up the jump rope and push the merry go round, more power to 'em. he's stuck with a legacy that tons of less successful people would kill for. he could either enjoy what he's created or be a sourpuss about it. i don't feel a bit sorry for him that other people want to celebrate his wonderful music. it would be absurd of anyone to feel pity for such nonsense. | |
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