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Thread started 06/19/08 6:52pm

1nonly

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Old Friends For Sale Lyrics breakdown request

Topic says it all I think.

Can someone take a stab at decyphering the original lyrics to Old Friends For Sale. Not just summarizing what the first verse means and so on, but actually breaking the song down line by line.

First Verse:

The sun set in the west this mornin'
4 I know, I know L.A. is callin'
Bad news, Steve said, and people are talkin'
They say your kingdom is fallin', yeah
They say U lost your fire
When another musician U hired
Little do they know, U wouldn't have passed go
Unless they could take U higher, yeah


So, let's start with the first line: "The sun set in the west this mornin'"
interesting, since suns set in the evening...any thoughts?
Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
I can be in a park, or flying in the…in the deep sea
I wish u’d hold my hand; then everything could b
There’s nothing strange, we’re not deranged
We only want everyday 2 b a Cosmic Day
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Reply #1 posted 06/19/08 6:55pm

RenHoek

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I don't know which original version you're talking about... all I could find was this:

The sun set in my heart this evenin'
Cuz an old friend of mine got lost in the jive
Little did she know, when U're stuck in the snow
Nobody gets out alive

Tears fall gently in my garden
As I wait in vain 4 my sweet baby 2 call
I guess what my own brother told me was true
He had been with my sweet baby and she never really loved me at all

Night fell so dark this evenin'
The moon wasn't shinin' nowhere
Sometimes that old light in the alley would light up this old heart of mine
But now I'm wonderin' if there's someone up there who really cares

The night fell darkest in Persia
What used 2 flow blue is now flowin' black
Many a doctor can try, but only heaven knows why
When it comes 2 love
Why do some men, why do some men turn their backs?

Can't somebody please tell me?

Maybe the morning air will make me feel better
Oh, I hope better than I feel right now
Last night a stranger took my picture and then he, uh..
He asked if I'd buy it, huh
I said I guess I don't know how

Old, old friends 4 sale
Get'em while the gettin' is hot
But U better watch out, they'll kiss U until they get what U got
And they'll show U the friends that they're not
Old friends 4 sale

©Controversy Music - ASCAP


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A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon
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Reply #2 posted 06/19/08 7:59pm

1nonly

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I believe you quoted the revised 1991 lyrics. the lyrics i posted are from 1985 and are the original ones, apparently.

Still, is there anyone who can shed light on the lyrics of the original line for line?


Boris!?
Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
I can be in a park, or flying in the…in the deep sea
I wish u’d hold my hand; then everything could b
There’s nothing strange, we’re not deranged
We only want everyday 2 b a Cosmic Day
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Reply #3 posted 06/19/08 8:47pm

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The sun set in the west this mornin'
4 I know, I know L.A. is callin'
Bad news, Steve said, and people are talkin'
They say your kingdom is fallin', yeah
They say U lost your fire
When another musician U hired
Little do they know, U wouldn't have passed go
Unless they could take U higher, yeah

The sun set in my heart this afternoon
4 2 friends of mine got stuck in the snow
In Uptown when winter's alarmin', oh
Cocaine becomes charmin'
But U talk about things U don't know 'bout
I know, no matter how pleasant your past was
Green and white return 2 blue
U're happy as long as your last buzz
And then U think U want something new, yeah

The sun, the sun set in my mind this evening
4 someone who said they would die 4 me
Sold some, they sold some more pictures and all my little memories
Chump change is 2 unravel the mystery, ah ha
But life is no fun, life ain't no fun without fantasy
Some things are better left unsaid
And some people are better left untrusted
Maybe, maybe, maybe it'll all make sense when I'm dead
When I'm dead

Old friends 4 sale
Get'em while the gettin' is hot
Watch out, they'll kiss U until they get what U got
And they'll show U the friends that they're not
Old friends 4 sale


http://www.dtt-lyrics.com...5.html#old

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Reply #4 posted 06/19/08 8:54pm

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1nonly said:

Topic says it all I think.

Can someone take a stab at decyphering the original lyrics to Old Friends For Sale. Not just summarizing what the first verse means and so on, but actually breaking the song down line by line.

First Verse:

The sun set in the west this mornin'
4 I know, I know L.A. is callin'
Bad news, Steve said, and people are talkin'
They say your kingdom is fallin', yeah
They say U lost your fire
When another musician U hired
Little do they know, U wouldn't have passed go
Unless they could take U higher, yeah


So, let's start with the first line: "The sun set in the west this mornin'"
interesting, since suns set in the evening...any thoughts?


Steve was Prince's former manager.

"Bad news, Steve said, and people are talkin'
They say your kingdom is fallin', yeah
They say U lost your fire
When another musician U hired"

He was talkin' about Wendy there. The other musician hired.
Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U.
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Reply #5 posted 06/19/08 9:07pm

NouveauDance

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The part about cocaine is Vanity and Morris. And the friend who sold pics was Chick Huntsberry.
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Reply #6 posted 06/20/08 12:24am

emesem

"two friends of mine who got stuck in the snow"

Always thought this was about firing Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis for some reason.
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Reply #7 posted 06/20/08 12:56am

wildgoldenhone
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Interesting.
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Reply #8 posted 06/20/08 1:03am

Tame

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Whatever, the meaning, it is a song I have always loved, and how bittersweet it is to say goodbye to certain portions of friendships, although friends may still hang around in your heart.
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #9 posted 06/20/08 6:45pm

1nonly

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thank you for clearing up the Wendy connection to this song. Never quite got that one.

However, on the cocaine lyrics...what is the general consensus...is Prince talking bout Morris and Vanity, or Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis?
Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
I can be in a park, or flying in the…in the deep sea
I wish u’d hold my hand; then everything could b
There’s nothing strange, we’re not deranged
We only want everyday 2 b a Cosmic Day
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Reply #10 posted 06/20/08 10:32pm

Dayclear

Sad song. sad
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Reply #11 posted 06/20/08 10:54pm

Rinluv

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1nonly said:

thank you for clearing up the Wendy connection to this song. Never quite got that one.

However, on the cocaine lyrics...what is the general consensus...is Prince talking bout Morris and Vanity, or Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis?

"Two friends of mine got stuck in the snow(cocaine)" I beleive it's Morris and Vainty.
Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U.
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Reply #12 posted 06/21/08 1:35am

rusty1

THIS version blows away the vault version. this is one of prince's best unreleased songs of all time!!!
BOB4theFUNK
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Reply #13 posted 06/21/08 1:40am

rusty1

2 friends of mine got stuck in the snow. i think jimmy jam and terry lewis were working on the s.o.s bands first album. they couldn't catch the plane back on the 1999 concert tour. there was a bad snow storm and prince was angry that they didn't make it back.
BOB4theFUNK
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Reply #14 posted 06/21/08 6:56am

berniejobs

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I've never heard the original, but I would kill to hear it!

I heard somewhere that the line "stuck in the snow" was about Morris Day doing cocaine. Could there be truth to that?
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Reply #15 posted 06/21/08 9:00am

NouveauDance

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1nonly said:

However, on the cocaine lyrics...what is the general consensus...is Prince talking bout Morris and Vanity, or Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis?

Well, if it stopped at just getting stuck in the snow, we could take it literally to mean Jam & Lewis, but the rest of the verse makes the snow line to mean cocaine, so it's def. Morris/Vanity. IMO. smile
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Reply #16 posted 06/21/08 2:09pm

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NouveauDance said:

1nonly said:

However, on the cocaine lyrics...what is the general consensus...is Prince talking bout Morris and Vanity, or Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis?

Well, if it stopped at just getting stuck in the snow, we could take it literally to mean Jam & Lewis, but the rest of the verse makes the snow line to mean cocaine, so it's def. Morris/Vanity. IMO. smile


I think the whole stanza talks about the demise of The Time.
"Two friends of mine got stuck in the snow"
Is definitely a reference to Jam and Lewis as their missing the gig due to the storm ended the original Time line-up.

The second verse I think is a reference to what happened with Morris:
In Uptown when winter's alarmin', oh
Cocaine becomes charmin'
But U talk about things U don't know

Morris had a coke habit and left MPLS for LA (in winter) right after filming Purple Rain. He then went on to speak negatively about Prince to the media.

Three very powerful things happened to Prince that year:
1. Dez left and Wendy joined the band
2.The Time broke up
3. Chic, his most trusted bodyguard and by all accounts good friend, betrayed him.
The song addresses each of these issues in that order.
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