He shouldn't do anything 4 that reason.

If he went by what folks write here, he'd stop recording.

Just look at the recent reactions 2 his releases...

He releases 'The Rainbow Children', and people here slam it.

He releases 'N.E.W.S.', and it also gets slammed.

He releases 'Planet Earth', which truly should have pleased long-time Prince fans. It gets torn apart from more than 80% of the ORG.

A true Artist really shouldn't do anything 2 "win back their fans". They should simply record and release whatever they want 2.

It worries me that he does check the ORG.

Giovanni777 said:

I'm with you 100% and it is scary to know he reads the stuff here on the org. Now he knows firsthand that he won't win with the fans. Do U Prince!!!!!

lol, yes it would worry me if he did check the org, but more if took it seriously
[Edited 6/12/08 14:48pm]

Giovanni777 said:

ive been saying this since last summer.. i dont believe he posts here, but i DO believe brother reads this place... more often than we think..

Flowerz said:

I've never understood this argument. It presumes that Prince is a child and his fans should censor things so he doesn't get his feelings hurt. Or worse, that he's not smart enough to read this site and find comments that are worthwhile, whether they are positive or negative. If I were Prince, I would find this far more insulting than any criticism of my music.

He's been a public figure for 30 years. He can withstand the criticism.

And sorry, Giovanni777, but I also don't get the Rainbow Children comment. That album gets discussed so much because it is a challenging piece of work, as Prince intended. I think Prince would love that, seven years after its release, it is by far the most analyzed, discussed, and debated of all his albums on this site. To me, that's a really good thing, not at all a negative.

Efan said:

VERY well said.

Twinkly1 said:

THANK U

some people just dont get it!
and no thanks i don't need to ask anyone from this websitecuz most ,people are just here to sabotage Prince anyway(if it fits,..)

toots said:

nurseV said:

when i read that i heard it in a PR pouty voice- with puppet

metallicjigolo said:

Where are you getting that we are sabataging Prince? SPEAK FOR YOURSELF AND NOT OTHERS ESPECIALLY ME!Whatever you are smoking put it down im sure the older ones like me know where to get the good stuff? And here you are defending Prince like you know him personally PUH-LEASE!!

I really do think you should read up a bit on a few things about Prince. He isnt a angel like your portraying him to be
[Edited 6/13/08 5:38am]

Efan said:

It presumes nothing of the sort. The best art an artist can create comes from inside or elsewhere, and reading others opinions can inhibit the creativity. Also, the fans here R largely unqualified 2 critique Prince's music, so it is all subjective opinion. It's not "withstanding criticism", as U say, because there is hardly any constructive "criticism" on this site. How can U even be saying any of this, when most folks here will simply say something like, "'Planet Earth' sucks", or "why can't he return 2 the music he did 20 years ago?", etc.

Do U really think that he should take ORGers' comments seriously?

Yes, some here do appreciate 'The Rainbow Children', but it is a distinctive minority. What most people discussed, was that they couldn't take the lowered voice, which is stunning, since Prince has used that throughout his career. They also couldn't take the lyrical content being of a driven spiritual nature.

Meanwhile, 'The Rainbow Children' will withstand time, and remain timeless as a brilliant piece of work.

Ultimately, it's all good, because everyone has differing musical tastes, and with Prince fans, anything and everything goes, so 2 speak. I just don't think that an artist that creates that quickly and freely should constrain themselves by reading all of that negativity.
[Edited 6/13/08 6:54am]

There are at least a million people out there who would love nothing more than to walk into a store and confidently buy a new Prince album, but the music just isn't as good anymore, so we don't.

If he hired a producer who challenged him then his music would be fresher and we might have a reason to get back on board, but I can't see that happening.

midnightmover said:

But what would make you think a producer would do the trick for Prince? What if he/she makes Prince sound worse?

Giovanni777 said:

See, I think there's a big mix of things on this site. I defy anyone, regardless of how they feel about Prince, to read the opening page of Music & More and not get bothered by something. I mean, come on, it's a melting pot of annoyances. But it's also got some interesting, valuable things in there.

I'm not sure how to respond to everything in your paragraph above, though. Opinions are, by definition, subjective, so I'm not sure why you're qualifying that. I also don't see what qualifies someone to critique Prince's music. If you don't believe people here are qualified to say Planet Earth sucks, what qualifies them to say Lovesexy is great?


That's not up to me. I believe there are worthwhile and worthless posts here all mixed together. He can make up his own mind.



Agreed about the low voice; the other thing that gets criticized (stupidly, in my opinion) is Wedding Feast. Oh, well. The bottom line is that TRC does what great art is supposed to do: challenge the listener/reader/observer. And let's not forget, it posits the beliefs that there is no Trinity and that children should be subservient to women, who should be subservient to men, who should be subservient to God. There are a couple lines that cause people to pause, too, wondering if the lyrics are anti-Semetic. Those things open up discussion and debate and even make people mad. I just can't see that open discussion as a bad thing.


This seems contradictory to me. On the one hand, you're saying that if Prince visits this site, his art will suffer. Yet on the other hand, you're saying that Prince does indeed visit this site and his art hasn't suffered.
Whatever the case, though, if Prince shouldn't read the things posted here, it's Prince's responsibility to avoid coming here. No one else should have to worry about it. And if he's not coming here, then it doesn't matter what people post here at all.

Efan said:

It seems as though we actually agree on more than what we disagree on.

It can be frustrating in the "Prince: Music & More" section, and I have suggested that the ORG separate the music related matter from the gossip, whom he should marry and/or hook up with, etc. The ORG could then include all of Prince's productions (Shiela E, The Time, Mavis Staples, etc.) in with the music section.

Yes, U R correct, and on point with the comment about opinions being subjective by nature, and the inherent difficulty in qualifying others' opinions. I just think that if one is going 2 be critical of something, then THEY should be able 2 be at least somewhat articulate about what it is they don't like. A professional critic might not "get" what the artist was doing, or may not be able 2 hear the intricacy of an interesting background vocal arrangement and execution, but at least they have 2 articulate their opinion.

An opinion that simply says, "'Planet Earth' sucks" is NOT a valid opinion. It isn't saying anything at all. Conversely, if one really digs something, they should be able 2 write something more than, "This is great."

As far as the discussion about 'The Rainbow Children',with regards 2 the "challenging" lyrics, yes... this is good, and 2 be expected. But not 2 the point where nothing is discussed about the flow of the songs, the musical and lyrical thematic cohesiveness, and the refreshing musical adventurousness. Not 2 mention that the album was recorded and mixed PERFECTLY.... warm and rich, as if it were recorded on 2" tape.

As 4 your last point, I don't feel as though I'm contradicting myself at all, but I do understand your point.

Prince surely creates music from more than one type of inspiration, as do most of us. Some music comes from within, and some comes from other sources in which we R simply channeling it, because we R open 2 it. Sometimes we R influenced by what we think others want 2 hear, which generally leads 2 less challenging music, with less depth, so 2 speak. When we R being influenced by what we think others want 2 hear, we R being less open 2 the "channeling", therefore less creative.

~G
[Edited 6/13/08 8:35am]

Change his name again but this time to a pronounceable symbol.

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[Edited 6/15/08 23:03pm]

Not sure what "ex-fans" are, as fans critical of Prince's music often get that label.

I think Prince should do the unthinkable for a change:

1) Collaborate with other artists, without running everything and/or burying their vocals and playing.

2) Be produced by someone else.

3) Let a seasoned record executive go through the Vault (if it still exists) and compile a box set of unreleased material... (like Roadhouse Garden) and release it.

4) Stop trashing his fans. We've made you rich, Prince. Show some humility and gratitude, for cryin' out loud...

purplecam said:

I'm not talking about the kind of producers MJ and Madonna hire, who are basically just track makers. I'm talking about real producers who can bring out the best in a musician, and record them in new ways. You listen to Springsteen's newer songs like "Radio Nowhere" and they sound totally fresh, largely because Bruce is using newer producers who are recording him in a different way. It's still him, but just with a new edge.

Rick Rubin is someone who's famous for bringing out new aspects of what someone does. There are dozens of other producers who could perform a similar role for Prince. He needs that input BADLY! But of course he's way too proud to ever ask for it.

midnightmover said:

I would love for Marcus Miller to produce a Prince album. But, I think it would never happen because MM could match Prince note-for-note on certain instruments and ideas, has an unbelievable track record as a film scorer, session musician and producer and because Marcus doesn't need to produce Prince.

Quit the JW's, release the vault, make decent music, lower concert tickets, bring back the celebration, give us money..lol

2freaky4church1 said:

.....massage our feet, take the kids to soccer practice, rub our shoulders, buy us chocolates, wash our dishes, mow the lawn, work your ass off on a new music and tour but make it all free of course and if wouldn’t be too much trouble would you please never use U and the eyes symbol instead of you and I.

Thank you,
Your Loyal Fans

violetblues said:

OMG you have made my sides hurt from laughing and that is really so true.

2freaky4church1 said:

That would make me very happy.

Dance said:

LOL thanx Dance.

So must be the new video? (Nas, I haven't seen it.)

wildgoldenhoney said:

Aint that the truth






Hi you guys

sro100 said:

let george clinton produce his record.

jackson35 said:

My guess is they tried that and it didn't work. I did think they would but the few years they were hanging together I was hoping a Clinton produced album would emerge.

Be himself.....

it depends on what made them an ex-fan. If its over the Internet hoopla that's a lost cause.

however, I became an ex-fan for a long time due to simple loss of interest, and what got me back was missing his music and the need to see him live.