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PrintableTibor said: Yes! Look here Prince make best funky soul! Nothing before him! Now we know Justin make funk music for future.
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NWF said: jnoel said: I hope not, RnB sucks, it's the death of the popular afro american music, imo.
HEY NOW!, Just hold on there one gosh darn minute! Yes, the state of R&B may be in terrible shape right now(excluding the Neo-soul artists, now they're serious about their sh**), but you cannot come to the conclusion that all Rhythm & Blues(in the 50+ years of it's existence) Sucks! That's just plain ignorance talking. :clapclapclapclapclap: | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Here's an opinion that some may or may not agree on. Prince DID help BRING DOWN R&B by pushing the "one man band" idea. This, from my observations, led to the "producer era" which has dominated since the late 80s to early 90s. Prior to Prince, I can't recall any other artist who was promoted to the extent that Prince was as a one man band. Some would say Stevie Wonder, but at the time of the Wonder era, R&B hadn't crossed over into mainstream, so no one has actually been PROMOTED with as much diligence as Prince in that way. So, he helped shape and destroy R&B siultaneously. Without one man bands (essentially keyboard players with sequencers and samplers), R&B probably wouldn't have taken a back seat to rap, which has been accepted as the dominant "black" music form (for now). So, Prince fucked it up for so many by selling a dream that promotes the ideas of the individual over the ideas of a group of musicians. After Purple Rain, I saw a change in the attitudes and workings of musicians overall. Of course technology had something to do with it as well, but how its used was at the time closely observed by watching the popular musicians. Remember Eddie Van Halen in '83-'84? I rest my case. Prince DEFINATELY DID NOT CREATE R&B. But let some of you nucking futs on here tell it, Prince created music itself. Some of you actually believe that Prince is the only artist who's ever written good music. To those who do, I pity you, for you know not what you miss.
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Tibor said: Yes! Look here Prince make best funky soul! Nothing before him! Now we know Justin make funk music for future.
Huhh? Justin who? did i miss something? free ur mind | |
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Neversin said: gubbins4ever said: I've heard it said many times on the palace of cool that is the 'Org that Prince is largely responsible for the existence of RnB as it is today. Indeed a lofty claim methinks!
But why? This has always troubled me since I really can't see how. I can hardly think of any of Prince's 80s material that could be seen as RnB and although he definately did it in the 90s, but his influence was long since diminshed by that stage. So, help me out and tell me exactly how Prince defined RnB, if indeed he did! The so called music that everyone refers to and labels as R&B nowadays has nothing to do with R&B...Listen for example to Chuck Berry for some REAL R&B... Prince didn't shape this "new R&B" this crap is just some pop blended together with that late '80's/early '90's Swingbeat shit... Blame Keith Sweat, Johnny Gill, Bobby Brown etc. etc. etc. for that crap... Neversin. uh NO. Chuck Berry is rock and roll. And I don't think Sweat, Gill, and Brown have much of an influence on r&b today since that's not what's going on. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Here's an opinion that some may or may not agree on. Prince DID help BRING DOWN R&B by pushing the "one man band" idea. This, from my observations, led to the "producer era" which has dominated since the late 80s to early 90s. Prior to Prince, I can't recall any other artist who was promoted to the extent that Prince was as a one man band. Some would say Stevie Wonder, but at the time of the Wonder era, R&B hadn't crossed over into mainstream, so no one has actually been PROMOTED with as much diligence as Prince in that way. So, he helped shape and destroy R&B siultaneously. Without one man bands (essentially keyboard players with sequencers and samplers), R&B probably wouldn't have taken a back seat to rap, which has been accepted as the dominant "black" music form (for now). So, Prince fucked it up for so many by selling a dream that promotes the ideas of the individual over the ideas of a group of musicians. After Purple Rain, I saw a change in the attitudes and workings of musicians overall. Of course technology had something to do with it as well, but how its used was at the time closely observed by watching the popular musicians. Remember Eddie Van Halen in '83-'84? I rest my case. Prince DEFINATELY DID NOT CREATE R&B. But let some of you nucking futs on here tell it, Prince created music itself. Some of you actually believe that Prince is the only artist who's ever written good music. To those who do, I pity you, for you know not what you miss.
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I would agree that much of the beginning of Prince's career coincided with an era of overly-produced albums, where the ideals of the producers were paramount to the ideals (and ideas) of the musicians. I think that probably Quincy Jones, Jellybean Benitez, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, (and a few others), had much to do with the "one man band" idea, and the evolution of R&B into what it is today.
Maybe the question is, did Prince actually conceptualize and push this ideal, or were the ideals of producers being pushed on him? I don't know the answer to this. ~In my opinion~ Prince did not help "bring down" R&B, but help keep it vital, despite the industry trends. | |
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james said: Will people please read the rest of the post, before ranting on about James Brown, etc !!
I think Prince has definately influenced modern R&B (80's-now). There are so many times I hear a song and think, "that sounds just like a Prince song" or "Prince production". lol. I think most of the ranting about R&B greats was spawned from the "R&B sucks and is the death of the popular afro american music" post. Prince has undoubtedly been a huge influence, which is fitting, because he was obviously influenced by so many. There seems to be a long thread running through an entire history of artists that (for now) is being kept alive. Hopefully, there will be more to step up in future generations. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Here's an opinion that some may or may not agree on. Prince DID help BRING DOWN R&B by pushing the "one man band" idea. This, from my observations, led to the "producer era" which has dominated since the late 80s to early 90s. Prior to Prince, I can't recall any other artist who was promoted to the extent that Prince was as a one man band. Some would say Stevie Wonder, but at the time of the Wonder era, R&B hadn't crossed over into mainstream, so no one has actually been PROMOTED with as much diligence as Prince in that way. So, he helped shape and destroy R&B siultaneously. Without one man bands (essentially keyboard players with sequencers and samplers), R&B probably wouldn't have taken a back seat to rap, which has been accepted as the dominant "black" music form (for now). So, Prince fucked it up for so many by selling a dream that promotes the ideas of the individual over the ideas of a group of musicians. After Purple Rain, I saw a change in the attitudes and workings of musicians overall. Of course technology had something to do with it as well, but how its used was at the time closely observed by watching the popular musicians. Remember Eddie Van Halen in '83-'84? I rest my case. Prince DEFINATELY DID NOT CREATE R&B. But let some of you nucking futs on here tell it, Prince created music itself. Some of you actually believe that Prince is the only artist who's ever written good music. To those who do, I pity you, for you know not what you miss.
--- Prince did not destroy RnB. RnB was destroyed by Rap artist and wack ass samples. I also do not think Prince pushed the one-man band thing. I think that was a marketing thing that Warner Brothers pushed. Technology was going to bring in the one-man band no matter what Prince did. I would take twenty one man bands who could come up with original music over wack-ass samples any day. Prince gave RnB the kick in the ass that it needed in the early 80's. The crossover success that Prince had is responsible for the wild popularity of rap today. I think a lot of people forget that no black artist videos were played on MTV back in the early 80's and black artist did not get their records played on pop stations. Prince did not create RnB. I do not think anyone on this site thinks that he did. He did make some create contributions and he definitly deserves credit for his accompolishments. | |
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PFunkjazz said: ya think with all those lackluster MINN synth-artists Prince made R&B as sad as it is today? HMMM?
Well he had a hand in it! --- Prince did not have anything to do with the crap RnB that is being put out today. Did Prince use a lot of wack-ass samples in his music when he first started out? Was Prince the guy that developed New Jack Swing. A genre that had all beats and nothing else. The "What Time is it", "1999" and "Prince" albums are RnB classics. With exception of some of the neo-soul artist who is making classic RnB music today? | |
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So, do y'all really believe that today most R&B is destroyed, brought down, fucked up, wack ass, crap, in terrible shape, and souless? Just wondering.
BTW, I think rap artists have beautifully and permanently added depth to our perception of music and what it can be, and the true poets will persevere in the face of this era of exploitation. I don't think anybody should be losing heart over the trends of the music industry today. Nevermind the industry. | |
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blacksatin515 said: So, do y'all really believe that today most R&B is destroyed, brought down, fucked up, wack ass, crap, in terrible shape, and souless? Just wondering.
BTW, I think rap artists have beautifully and permanently added depth to our perception of music and what it can be, and the true poets will persevere in the face of this era of exploitation. I don't think anybody should be losing heart over the trends of the music industry today. Nevermind the industry. --- The only poet I can think of would be Chuck D. The era of exploitation is here to stay. As soon as major record labels got involved with rap anything poetic was doomed. How can you add depth to anything when you cannot come up with anything orignal or creative? | |
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Pops is gone like hope and dreams
He jokingly admits he drinks Controls his bitch not his temper As he leaks into the kitchen sink He thinks before he's white and figures it's niggers and 'spics He dates your brother and his bible not the liquor he sips See I'm gone like apathy after he drinks his own convictions Holds opinions over wisdom with close fisted ass whipping Ask his children if they're fucked up If their mothers feathers soft Calloused to death by your mallet They're probably better off Home is where the heart is huh? I'm hoping dad dies Love can leave a woman blind mom But so can black eyes Home is where the heart is huh? I'm hoping dad dies Love can leave a woman blind mom But so can black eyes Sitting on this soapbox with nothing much to say Praying' for night the speed of light died yesterday By Qwel | |
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Going back in some time Like when you used to cut and had to go to the back of the line Look back and you find Tracks that make you relax and recline Now cats rap about packing a nine When they lacking divine Inspiration Running out of topics of conversation Well I drop it in the pocket because rocking's my occupation I do it remarkably, spark up a leaf And possibly you could follow me Tap into your chi Utilize your memory To help you see clearly, then get back to me Actually, nothing's new under the sun So when life be stressing me My remedy is 'bringing back sweet memories' Like the faces that are woven in the fabric of my consciousness >From cities where making 21's a big accomplishment Like when my people understood their prominence And my past life visions of the continent Like the first time I saw KRS live, rockin' it I heard Resurrection by Common Sense Dominant in my psyche I chose my direction like Spike Lee To speak my life through mics, and I never take it lightly It might be something you did to bring you down when you were high But that karma's a bitch, you steady asking God why Like when my parents first split up Yo, I was illin' Seems like some years they was together for the sake of the children And I love them for that I don't know if they saw that So I'ma say it, and convey it when the world play it By Talib Kweli and Hi-Tek | |
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I only posted these to show that today, just like any other day, you don't have to look too hard to find something good, no matter what the genre. You won't hear it on the radio though. | |
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4LOVE said: He created R&B,a cure for cancer,the first automobile to run on water and the salt vaccine.
You forgot; he also introduced electronic voting after the Florida debacle 2 years ago, helped Al Gore with his internet invention, built the pyramids, and brought down the Berlin Wall. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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laurarichardson said: Prince did not destroy RnB. RnB was destroyed by Rap artist and wack ass samples. I also do not think Prince pushed the one-man band thing. I think that was a marketing thing that Warner Brothers pushed. Technology was going to bring in the one-man band no matter what Prince did. I would take twenty one man bands who could come up with original music over wack-ass samples any day. Prince gave RnB the kick in the ass that it needed in the early 80's. The crossover success that Prince had is responsible for the wild popularity of rap today. I think a lot of people forget that no black artist videos were played on MTV back in the early 80's and black artist did not get their records played on pop stations.
Prince did not create RnB. I do not think anyone on this site thinks that he did. He did make some create contributions and he definitly deserves credit for his accompolishments. I don't know about you, but I blame... Metal hair bands of the 1980s like Poison, Quiet Riot and Warrant on Led Zeppelin; "Boy 'Bands'" of today on The Jackson 5, The Sylvers, The 5 Stairsteps, Boys II Men and Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers; Alicia Keys on Roberta Flack and Patrice Rushen; Kenny G on John Coltrane... 
Cut moi... [This message was edited Fri Nov 8 9:49:48 PST 2002 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Prince didn't create RnB? So what was the music he wrote for The Time? Classical?? Even if he didn't create RnB music for himself, he damn sure created it for them...so this argument that he ruined RnB in the 80s is moot, IMO... ***************************************************
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Janeau said: Tibor said: Yes! Look here Prince make best funky soul! Nothing before him! Now we know Justin make funk music for future.
Huhh? Justin who? did i miss something? Justin Timberlake! Best funky since Prince. My name is Tibor and I am funky! | |
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Tibor said: Janeau said: Tibor said: Yes! Look here Prince make best funky soul! Nothing before him! Now we know Justin make funk music for future.
Huhh? Justin who? did i miss something? Justin Timberlake! Best funky since Prince.  blasphemy!!! | |
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Tibor said: Janeau said: Tibor said: Yes! Look here Prince make best funky soul! Nothing before him! Now we know Justin make funk music for future.
Huhh? Justin who? did i miss something? Justin Timberlake! Best funky since Prince. I can not be a hundred percent accurate but i predict that Justin Timberlake is going to invent RnB in about 11 months from now according to a very reliable source, it's going to be the next big thing to hit our eardrums! I feel pretty, that's enough | |
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blacksatin515 said: I only posted these to show that today, just like any other day, you don't have to look too hard to find something good, no matter what the genre. You won't hear it on the radio though.
--- Talib Kweli is one artist that is decent out 50 other rappers who suck. I will not even go into sampling and horrible music they all use Rap doesn't even function as good dance music because the beats are so wack. | |
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But does it matter if it's just 1 out of 50, 2 out of 100, or 20 out of 1000? If in fact there is only 1 gifted individual in an entire generation, shouldn't we cherish their work even more? If this were a discussion of literary work from a generation of 1000 poets, where 20 were considered truly gifted, then that would be considered a blessed generation.
It just appears that people are making blanket statements to rationalize the simple fact that they don't care for, appreciate, or understand, a certain form of art, or expression. There's no crime in that, if you don't like it, then you don't, but the blanket statements should be argued, in my opinion. I don't believe r&b is destroyed, it's alive and well down the block 7 nights a week. I don't believe 99.9% of rap sucks, because I've seen too many people find their voice by writing it down and stepping up to tell it. | |
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Tibor said: Janeau said: Tibor said: Yes! Look here Prince make best funky soul! Nothing before him! Now we know Justin make funk music for future.
Huhh? Justin who? did i miss something? Justin Timberlake! Best funky since Prince. Tibor you are anything but funky  | |
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PFunkjazz said: ya think with all those lackluster MINN synth-artists Prince made R&B as sad as it is today? HMMM?
from a Technilogy Spin Yeah Prince is linked too what we have now.Prince&the Synths ran the Big Bands out&a Cat like Puffy runs Prince&the Synths out with Sample&D.A.T's,etc..it's all Connected&the Technilogy forever changed the Game.depending on who you ask for Better or for worse.for me personally it's worse.Well he had a hand in it! mistermaxxx | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Here's an opinion that some may or may not agree on. Prince DID help BRING DOWN R&B by pushing the "one man band" idea. This, from my observations, led to the "producer era" which has dominated since the late 80s to early 90s. Prior to Prince, I can't recall any other artist who was promoted to the extent that Prince was as a one man band. Some would say Stevie Wonder, but at the time of the Wonder era, R&B hadn't crossed over into mainstream, so no one has actually been PROMOTED with as much diligence as Prince in that way. So, he helped shape and destroy R&B siultaneously. Without one man bands (essentially keyboard players with sequencers and samplers), R&B probably wouldn't have taken a back seat to rap, which has been accepted as the dominant "black" music form (for now). So, Prince fucked it up for so many by selling a dream that promotes the ideas of the individual over the ideas of a group of musicians. After Purple Rain, I saw a change in the attitudes and workings of musicians overall. Of course technology had something to do with it as well, but how its used was at the time closely observed by watching the popular musicians. Remember Eddie Van Halen in '83-'84? I rest my case. Prince DEFINATELY DID NOT CREATE R&B. But let some of you nucking futs on here tell it, Prince created music itself. Some of you actually believe that Prince is the only artist who's ever written good music. To those who do, I pity you, for you know not what you miss. No Matter what Forum or Place we are In you are Still the Baddest Cat&Your Post Gets Much Hand Slaps&^5's from me Brother.Prince did alot for R&B&Music in General but I also Link Him too Puffy,Dr.Dre.TImberland,etc.. for Watering down the vibe&Manipualting the Technilogy.SLy Stone was a One Man Band but it didn't fly.Shuggie Ottis,Junie Morrison,Bootsy,&a Whole ton of others didn't get the push for it.mistermaxxx | |
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Oh please. What he is is full of it. If anything Prince set a higher standard when he was at the top of his creativity. Just because those that came after him can't keep up isn't Prince's fault, he's not the one that signs these musical deficients to recording contracts. Anyone who puts that type of blame on him is stupid and can't see the forest for the trees. Put the blame where its supposed to be: on record labels who sign those performers. The question to start this thread was stupid anyways, anybody more than 5 years old knows that Prince didn't create any style of music. It's funny, I don't see those on this thread with their noses in the air as blaming Stevie Wonder for his use of technology, synthesizers included. And his overuse of technology in general late in his career. Stevie pushed the technology to the forefront sooner than Prince because his career started before Prince. Nobody blames Stevie because it would be extremely STUPID. But since according to some of the people on this site Prince has not had a good record in 15 years he will be to blame for R&B's lack of creativity. While we're at it let's blame James Brown and PFunk for the sampling bastardizing of hip hop with that "gangsta" hip hop shit. | |
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I don't know about Prince creating RnB, but according to Whitney Houston, Bobby Brown is the King of RnB.  | |
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CocoSweet said: I don't know about Prince creating RnB, but according to Whitney Houston, Bobby Brown is the King of RnB.
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paisleypark4 said: Prince cre8ted R&B...ha ha, not 2 be racist, but u KNOW that had 2 have been said by some white guy in the suburbs!
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