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can i add Tom Waits(70's), joni mitchell (70's) and Beastie Boys (since 1984)
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violetblues said: Not many pop/rock artists are able to follow their early seminal works when they were young,
Some of the greatest of all time, that had long successful careers past their prime, were coasting along on their earlier work and the public’s good will, but certainly had their creativity extinguished by the time they were in their early 30's Some of my personal favorites, for example…… I love 70's Stevie wonder, but nothing much after I love 60's/70's James Brown. But not much after I love Paul McCartney but no much since the late 70's I love early 80's MJ but nothing much after I love early 60's-early 80's rolling stones, but not much after I love 80's Prince, but not much after. There are some exceptions, of artist’s that still make quality music, “as good” now in their older years, as when they were young. Sting, U2, Bruce Springsteen, the Chili Peppers, Aerosmith, Radiohead, Bjork, but Prince is certainly not one of them,...a greater performer than all of them combined, but his music of the past 20 years is a pale and cheesy version of is younger self. [Edited 6/11/08 21:36pm] how ever u will notite that most of the artists u have named (sting and U2 most definitley) still release music thats in the same style as there old. U2 4 instance just keep re - doing the 4 same types of songs again  at least with prince he's far more varied in styles and cant be kept in a box(or 4) and i think thats were the problem lies. i dont really respect "commercial" artists like that cuz they just do what people expect them to do and play it safe they dont have the balls 2 try anything exciting, even tho I love U2s old stuff and joshua tree is 1 of my all-time fave albums. Its just with there later material its like there stuck in an 80's timewarp  [Edited 6/12/08 4:58am] Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
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mesmerized said: optimus said: i didnt say there were no new sounds, i said its harder now cuz theres much more artists than there was in the 80's all after the same thing! anyway hes already made plenty of "new sound" and proved very influential, yes i cant see why P cant be apart of it either...but i cant see him trying hard cuz hes a musical genuis and has nothing else to prove  fair enough.. plus it would suck to have to make music this way... forever trying to do something different and new instead of just something that you liked doing exactly plus i really dont think his later stuffs been that bad of course personally i would say Planet Earth was the weaker album of the last 3 even if it does contain a great P Ballad Somewere Here On Earth....but that in my eyes dosent make it a bad album its better than 70% of the shit we get now[Edited 6/12/08 4:44am] Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
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optimus said: violetblues said: Not many pop/rock artists are able to follow their early seminal works when they were young,
Some of the greatest of all time, that had long successful careers past their prime, were coasting along on their earlier work and the public’s good will, but certainly had their creativity extinguished by the time they were in their early 30's Some of my personal favorites, for example…… I love 70's Stevie wonder, but nothing much after I love 60's/70's James Brown. But not much after I love Paul McCartney but no much since the late 70's I love early 80's MJ but nothing much after I love early 60's-early 80's rolling stones, but not much after I love 80's Prince, but not much after. There are some exceptions, of artist’s that still make quality music, “as good” now in their older years, as when they were young. Sting, U2, Bruce Springsteen, the Chili Peppers, Aerosmith, Radiohead, Bjork, but Prince is certainly not one of them,...a greater performer than all of them combined, but his music of the past 20 years is a pale and cheesy version of is younger self. [Edited 6/11/08 21:36pm] how ever u will notite that most of the artists u have named (sting and U2 most definitley) still release music thats in the same style as there old. U2 4 instance just keep re - doing the 4 same types of songs again at least with prince he's far more varied in styles and cant be kept in a box(or 4) and i think thats were the problem lies. i dont really respect "commercial" artists like that cuz they just do what people expect them to do and play it safe they dont have the balls 2 try anything exciting, even tho I love U2s old stuff and joshua tree is 1 of my all-time fave albums. Its just with there later material its like there stuck in an 80's timewarp
[Edited 6/12/08 4:58am] Are you kidding me? Sting was rock, ska and punk with The Police, what he's is doing now is almost the complete opposite! U2 is not the same either, the went electronic, they tried all kinds of different stuff, but nothing like their first albums. And the people mentioned that are still successful are anything but safe and commercial artists, lol. They are successful in spite of the fact they are not! Prince in the 90's seemed like he was desperate to fit in the contemporary music scene, with this dumbed down, pedestrian instantly dated material. Really cringe-worthy because he was an artist known for his edge, and now he was pandering to the lowest common denominator, like he thought he could be the next milli vanilli or something, milli vanilli smothered in cheese! [Edited 6/12/08 7:06am] | |
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He's got millions left in him | |
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The man still has it in him. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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optimus said: violetblues said: Not many pop/rock artists are able to follow their early seminal works when they were young,
Some of the greatest of all time, that had long successful careers past their prime, were coasting along on their earlier work and the public’s good will, but certainly had their creativity extinguished by the time they were in their early 30's Some of my personal favorites, for example…… I love 70's Stevie wonder, but nothing much after I love 60's/70's James Brown. But not much after I love Paul McCartney but no much since the late 70's I love early 80's MJ but nothing much after I love early 60's-early 80's rolling stones, but not much after I love 80's Prince, but not much after. There are some exceptions, of artist’s that still make quality music, “as good” now in their older years, as when they were young. Sting, U2, Bruce Springsteen, the Chili Peppers, Aerosmith, Radiohead, Bjork, but Prince is certainly not one of them,...a greater performer than all of them combined, but his music of the past 20 years is a pale and cheesy version of is younger self. [Edited 6/11/08 21:36pm] how ever u will notite that most of the artists u have named (sting and U2 most definitley) still release music thats in the same style as there old. U2 4 instance just keep re - doing the 4 same types of songs again at least with prince he's far more varied in styles and cant be kept in a box(or 4) and i think thats were the problem lies. i dont really respect "commercial" artists like that cuz they just do what people expect them to do and play it safe they dont have the balls 2 try anything exciting, even tho I love U2s old stuff and joshua tree is 1 of my all-time fave albums. Its just with there later material its like there stuck in an 80's timewarp
[Edited 6/12/08 4:58am] OK sorry but u are SOOOO fucking wrong!!!! Back in the mid 80's my best friend was a U2 fanatic - I always used to laugh cos prince was a thousand time more innovative and adventurous musically than U2 ever was back then - but seriously, since then, time have CHANGED! Since the early 90's Prince has FOLLOWED trends - NO exception.... When he's not following the latest trends he has a mis-fortunate style of going "old-school" 70's style tired ass funk- absolutely NOTHING exciting about that unless your 50 years old and that era stands as something cool to you and your distant long-lost childhood memories... To everybody else alive its just sad as fuck nothing crap!! Yeah he's great live (maybe even the best), but creatively, musically album-wise he hasn't moved an inch forward in over a decade - and at this age it's just fucking SAD!!!! (musicology, 3121, planet earth- same shit regurgitated...) As a 4 person group, each time out U2 challenge each other to come up with a new sound and new style that they can take to the world musically and explore and perfect.... I can't in all honestly say i love or desire every phase/sound they adopt (live and "save the planet" style i fucking hate them!), but AT LEAST they challenge themselves musically and approach music differently with every 2-4 year phase!... And that is HONEST ADVANCEMENT! And when it come to Prince, apart from an occasional inspired cover, i've heard NOTHING for at least 10 years, that sounds like a truly inspired musical genius giving a fuck! (The One was the last great track...) It's just tired old-school 70's jam after tired old-school 70's jam... With some easy (for him) Hendrix/Santana guitar sounds thrown in... Seriously, what the fuck happened???? When did my favorite, adventurous musical artist become William Shatner as Danny Crane - tired sold-out sad old pathetic mutha-fucker!!!! Optimus, seriously, GROW THE FUCK UP!!!! Yeah, Prince is varied, in the same exact way he's been for 20 years (and he was SO MUCH more inspired in years gone by!) (and yea, he is in the same fucking BOX he was in 15 years ago.... - tired - wake up - grow up - grow some balls!!! - if anyones stuck in a fucking 80's timewarp - its PRINCE!!!,.....) | |
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violetblues said: optimus said: how ever u will notite that most of the artists u have named (sting and U2 most definitley) still release music thats in the same style as there old. U2 4 instance just keep re - doing the 4 same types of songs again at least with prince he's far more varied in styles and cant be kept in a box(or 4) and i think thats were the problem lies. i dont really respect "commercial" artists like that cuz they just do what people expect them to do and play it safe they dont have the balls 2 try anything exciting, even tho I love U2s old stuff and joshua tree is 1 of my all-time fave albums. Its just with there later material its like there stuck in an 80's timewarp
[Edited 6/12/08 4:58am] Are you kidding me? Sting was rock, ska and punk with The Police, what he's is doing now is almost the complete opposite! U2 is not the same either, the went electronic, they tried all kinds of different stuff, but nothing like their first albums. And the people mentioned that are still successful are anything but safe and commercial artists, lol. They are successful in spite of the fact they are not! Prince in the 90's seemed like he was desperate to fit in the contemporary music scene, with this dumbed down, pedestrian instantly dated material. Really cringe-worthy because he was an artist known for his edge, and now he was pandering to the lowest common denominator, like he thought he could be the next milli vanilli or something, milli vanilli smothered in cheese! [Edited 6/12/08 7:06am]  Perfect! | |
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I don't think there is an end to what Prince can do creatively. Does he WANT to? that is the question. | |
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FlamingRaindrop said: optimus said: how ever u will notite that most of the artists u have named (sting and U2 most definitley) still release music thats in the same style as there old. U2 4 instance just keep re - doing the 4 same types of songs again at least with prince he's far more varied in styles and cant be kept in a box(or 4) and i think thats were the problem lies. i dont really respect "commercial" artists like that cuz they just do what people expect them to do and play it safe they dont have the balls 2 try anything exciting, even tho I love U2s old stuff and joshua tree is 1 of my all-time fave albums. Its just with there later material its like there stuck in an 80's timewarp
[Edited 6/12/08 4:58am] OK sorry but u are SOOOO fucking wrong!!!! Back in the mid 80's my best friend was a U2 fanatic - I always used to laugh cos prince was a thousand time more innovative and adventurous musically than U2 ever was back then - but seriously, since then, time have CHANGED! Since the early 90's Prince has FOLLOWED trends - NO exception.... When he's not following the latest trends he has a mis-fortunate style of going "old-school" 70's style tired ass funk- absolutely NOTHING exciting about that unless your 50 years old and that era stands as something cool to you and your distant long-lost childhood memories... To everybody else alive its just sad as fuck nothing crap!! Yeah he's great live (maybe even the best), but creatively, musically album-wise he hasn't moved an inch forward in over a decade - and at this age it's just fucking SAD!!!! (musicology, 3121, planet earth- same shit regurgitated...) As a 4 person group, each time out U2 challenge each other to come up with a new sound and new style that they can take to the world musically and explore and perfect.... I can't in all honestly say i love or desire every phase/sound they adopt (live and "save the planet" style i fucking hate them!), but AT LEAST they challenge themselves musically and approach music differently with every 2-4 year phase!... And that is HONEST ADVANCEMENT! And when it come to Prince, apart from an occasional inspired cover, i've heard NOTHING for at least 10 years, that sounds like a truly inspired musical genius giving a fuck! (The One was the last great track...) It's just tired old-school 70's jam after tired old-school 70's jam... With some easy (for him) Hendrix/Santana guitar sounds thrown in... Seriously, what the fuck happened???? When did my favorite, adventurous musical artist become William Shatner as Danny Crane - tired sold-out sad old pathetic mutha-fucker!!!! Optimus, seriously, GROW THE FUCK UP!!!! Yeah, Prince is varied, in the same exact way he's been for 20 years (and he was SO MUCH more inspired in years gone by!) (and yea, he is in the same fucking BOX he was in 15 years ago.... - tired - wake up - grow up - grow some balls!!! - if anyones stuck in a fucking 80's timewarp - its PRINCE!!!,.....) 70's music was comprised more of musicians than anything else and it came from the soul. when u listen 2 these songs out 2day, they sound DEAD not alive so if prince wants 2 reach within himself 2 bring back the feeling u got when u heard earth wind and fire, james brown and sly, i can't fault him 4 that. 4 prince 2 go all electronical is something he could easily do, but when other threads suggest he get a current producer 2 help in the studio, then u r taking the artist out of the equation and hyping up the producer instead. credit prince 4 sticking 2 that 4 himself and how he was brought up as a musician. man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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jdcxc said: I just hope he returns to personal and introspective songwriting. I don't want more grand world causes. I want "If I Was Your Girlfriend". I know he can do it. He has taken some interesting musical routes over the last ten years but his lyrical songwriting has gotten so simplistic. It's as if he is denying the fact that he is aging or he just doesn't want to explore or go deep anymore. A complex, interesting and challenging woman in his life would do him wonders!
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I am not sure, but I would never say no. Back in '03 I thought he wouldnt have another great one, and then came Musicology, which has been in my top 5 ever since it came out. I abdicated the throne in Ithaca, but now I am...
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FlamingRaindrop said: optimus said: how ever u will notite that most of the artists u have named (sting and U2 most definitley) still release music thats in the same style as there old. U2 4 instance just keep re - doing the 4 same types of songs again at least with prince he's far more varied in styles and cant be kept in a box(or 4) and i think thats were the problem lies. i dont really respect "commercial" artists like that cuz they just do what people expect them to do and play it safe they dont have the balls 2 try anything exciting, even tho I love U2s old stuff and joshua tree is 1 of my all-time fave albums. Its just with there later material its like there stuck in an 80's timewarp
[Edited 6/12/08 4:58am] OK sorry but u are SOOOO fucking wrong!!!! Back in the mid 80's my best friend was a U2 fanatic - I always used to laugh cos prince was a thousand time more innovative and adventurous musically than U2 ever was back then - but seriously, since then, time have CHANGED! Since the early 90's Prince has FOLLOWED trends - NO exception.... When he's not following the latest trends he has a mis-fortunate style of going "old-school" 70's style tired ass funk- absolutely NOTHING exciting about that unless your 50 years old and that era stands as something cool to you and your distant long-lost childhood memories... To everybody else alive its just sad as fuck nothing crap!! Yeah he's great live (maybe even the best), but creatively, musically album-wise he hasn't moved an inch forward in over a decade - and at this age it's just fucking SAD!!!! (musicology, 3121, planet earth- same shit regurgitated...) As a 4 person group, each time out U2 challenge each other to come up with a new sound and new style that they can take to the world musically and explore and perfect.... I can't in all honestly say i love or desire every phase/sound they adopt (live and "save the planet" style i fucking hate them!), but AT LEAST they challenge themselves musically and approach music differently with every 2-4 year phase!... And that is HONEST ADVANCEMENT! And when it come to Prince, apart from an occasional inspired cover, i've heard NOTHING for at least 10 years, that sounds like a truly inspired musical genius giving a fuck! (The One was the last great track...) It's just tired old-school 70's jam after tired old-school 70's jam... With some easy (for him) Hendrix/Santana guitar sounds thrown in... Seriously, what the fuck happened???? When did my favorite, adventurous musical artist become William Shatner as Danny Crane - tired sold-out sad old pathetic mutha-fucker!!!! Optimus, seriously, GROW THE FUCK UP!!!! Yeah, Prince is varied, in the same exact way he's been for 20 years (and he was SO MUCH more inspired in years gone by!) (and yea, he is in the same fucking BOX he was in 15 years ago.... - tired - wake up - grow up - grow some balls!!! - if anyones stuck in a fucking 80's timewarp - its PRINCE!!!,.....) no im sorry but my mum brought me how 2 defuse an atomic bomb u2s last album i think and im sorry but with songs like miracle drug and vertigo and city of hiding lights or watever the fuck its called im sorry i dont c much "sound" advancement there or as you say "Honest Advancment" and i was just vocing my opinion no need 2 be so aggresive and thats ur opinion and i respect it just chill a bit have a spliff ir sumthin [Edited 6/12/08 17:35pm] Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
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Prince is riding the Jehovah train now, why don't people understand he's not gonna go with that other music ever again. It's like he keeps telling you but you won't believe it. [Edited 6/12/08 17:39pm] | |
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Dayclear said: Prince is riding the Jehovah train now, why don't people understand he's not gonna go with that other music ever again. It's like he keeps telling you but you won't believe it.
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Dayclear said: Prince is riding the Jehovah train now, why don't people understand he's not gonna go with that other music ever again. It's like he keeps telling you but you won't believe it.
[Edited 6/12/08 17:39pm] i thought the question was "can prince make a great album" and not "can prince go back to his old music"  HE'S COMING AGAIN | |
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But they're comparing his recent/new stuff to his old albums. | |
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Dayclear said: But they're comparing his recent/new stuff to his old albums.
yeah but the question is can he make another great album. unless you can't read the topic title of course. | |
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not sure he has it in him
its like he doesn't know how to put together a great record let alone album...its a challenge Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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rolling said: Has prince still got a great album left in him or has the well run dry?
I personally think he has but only if he works with new people and stops surrounding himself with professional arse lickers to scared to voice their own opinions. I would like to hear him do a jazz album without all the weirdness...but I'm thinking in the studio he would mess that up to. I have no questions regarding his live music abilities...I mean a song like Guitar comes to life played live...but his studio work is so tired. He believes hes so good he just throws shit out. I also hate the fact that Prince refuses to sing! The falsetto singing is fine but dude has chops and frankly I'm tired of his vocal styling or more bluntly always singing like hes a woman. Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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With the exception of Planet Earth, IMO Prince has been on a roll creatively.
I thing The Rainbow Children is a classic!!! I also thought that Musicology and 3121 were really good, to great albums. Prince was absolutely correct when he said that his only competition was his past!!! When I listen to Prince's albums, I'm not looking to compare them to his past work. All of his albums are different anyway, so it's no use trying to compare them. The only thing I care is if it sounds good to my ears. Honestly, after Planet Earth I think that Prince has hit a creative wall. After 30 years of consistently putting out material, it's hard to blame him!!! I'm glad he's taking time off to travel, study the Bible, or whatever he's doing. I think playing all of these one-off shows is good for his creativity, however. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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I'm not so sure that Prince has the same desire to record a great studio album that he used to. For years now, his focus has shifted away from the studio to his live performances. That's where he sounds the most inspired these days; lively performances of rather dull studio recordings can attest to that. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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I wonder if at one point [maybe earlier than the 1990s?] Prince wasn't trying to 'fit in' and produce more mainstream sounds so as to attract a white audience - which for a black musician at that time was in itself revolutionary.
I'm not sure I got this correctly, but I remember reading something along those lines in his biographies. violetblues said: optimus said: how ever u will notite that most of the artists u have named (sting and U2 most definitley) still release music thats in the same style as there old. U2 4 instance just keep re - doing the 4 same types of songs again at least with prince he's far more varied in styles and cant be kept in a box(or 4) and i think thats were the problem lies. i dont really respect "commercial" artists like that cuz they just do what people expect them to do and play it safe they dont have the balls 2 try anything exciting, even tho I love U2s old stuff and joshua tree is 1 of my all-time fave albums. Its just with there later material its like there stuck in an 80's timewarp
[Edited 6/12/08 4:58am] Are you kidding me? Sting was rock, ska and punk with The Police, what he's is doing now is almost the complete opposite! U2 is not the same either, the went electronic, they tried all kinds of different stuff, but nothing like their first albums. And the people mentioned that are still successful are anything but safe and commercial artists, lol. They are successful in spite of the fact they are not! Prince in the 90's seemed like he was desperate to fit in the contemporary music scene, with this dumbed down, pedestrian instantly dated material. Really cringe-worthy because he was an artist known for his edge, and now he was pandering to the lowest common denominator, like he thought he could be the next milli vanilli or something, milli vanilli smothered in cheese! [Edited 6/12/08 7:06am] | |
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With regards to claims of lack of innovation and adventurous moves in his later output, I would have thought that NEWS and The Rainbow Children were pretty bold experiments, artistically and commercially speaking...
FlamingRaindrop said: optimus said: how ever u will notite that most of the artists u have named (sting and U2 most definitley) still release music thats in the same style as there old. U2 4 instance just keep re - doing the 4 same types of songs again at least with prince he's far more varied in styles and cant be kept in a box(or 4) and i think thats were the problem lies. i dont really respect "commercial" artists like that cuz they just do what people expect them to do and play it safe they dont have the balls 2 try anything exciting, even tho I love U2s old stuff and joshua tree is 1 of my all-time fave albums. Its just with there later material its like there stuck in an 80's timewarp
[Edited 6/12/08 4:58am] OK sorry but u are SOOOO fucking wrong!!!! Back in the mid 80's my best friend was a U2 fanatic - I always used to laugh cos prince was a thousand time more innovative and adventurous musically than U2 ever was back then - but seriously, since then, time have CHANGED! Since the early 90's Prince has FOLLOWED trends - NO exception.... When he's not following the latest trends he has a mis-fortunate style of going "old-school" 70's style tired ass funk- absolutely NOTHING exciting about that unless your 50 years old and that era stands as something cool to you and your distant long-lost childhood memories... To everybody else alive its just sad as fuck nothing crap!! Yeah he's great live (maybe even the best), but creatively, musically album-wise he hasn't moved an inch forward in over a decade - and at this age it's just fucking SAD!!!! (musicology, 3121, planet earth- same shit regurgitated...) As a 4 person group, each time out U2 challenge each other to come up with a new sound and new style that they can take to the world musically and explore and perfect.... I can't in all honestly say i love or desire every phase/sound they adopt (live and "save the planet" style i fucking hate them!), but AT LEAST they challenge themselves musically and approach music differently with every 2-4 year phase!... And that is HONEST ADVANCEMENT! And when it come to Prince, apart from an occasional inspired cover, i've heard NOTHING for at least 10 years, that sounds like a truly inspired musical genius giving a fuck! (The One was the last great track...) It's just tired old-school 70's jam after tired old-school 70's jam... With some easy (for him) Hendrix/Santana guitar sounds thrown in... Seriously, what the fuck happened???? When did my favorite, adventurous musical artist become William Shatner as Danny Crane - tired sold-out sad old pathetic mutha-fucker!!!! Optimus, seriously, GROW THE FUCK UP!!!! Yeah, Prince is varied, in the same exact way he's been for 20 years (and he was SO MUCH more inspired in years gone by!) (and yea, he is in the same fucking BOX he was in 15 years ago.... - tired - wake up - grow up - grow some balls!!! - if anyones stuck in a fucking 80's timewarp - its PRINCE!!!,.....) | |
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Paris9748430 said: Prince was absolutely correct when he said that his only competition was his past!!! That's an interesting point. I've been wondering whether he needs someone else who can CHALLENGE his creative skills, to compete with him, that pushes him to make sure his work is the best. Looking at pop music these days, I suppose he's still waiting for such a challenger to come along so he can whip out something that will wow all of us. |
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I feel like all I want to say here is, ofcourse. Ofcourse, Ofcourse. WTF? OFCOURSE HE HAS IT IN HIM!!!!! This is Prince! | |
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InsatiableCream said: Dayclear said: But they're comparing his recent/new stuff to his old albums.
yeah but the question is can he make another great album. unless you can't read the topic title of course. THANK YOU!!! | |
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