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Novabreaker, if you orginally said "Prince", an individual, instead of "black americans", a whole race of people, you probably wouldn't be posting all these responses.
You may not have meant your remark to be racist, but it kinda sounds that way. At least to some of us. | |
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If I went to School with Prince I would have had sex with him in the school bathroom for sure in between classes or even after school. Or at one of the clubs. | |
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shygirl said: You may not have meant your remark to be racist, but it kinda sounds that way. At least to some of us.
Understandable, but I'm not sure if I should apologize for that. It's not like it's my fault that your culture has turned into something so flammable, is it? -> that of course on the other hand doesn't prevent me from being a bit more cautious in the future. So there. Yet, I still don't fully get it: "People of African origin have facial hair at an earlier age than Scandinavians." "Racist pig!" Ridiculous. | |
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Novabreaker said: shygirl said: You may not have meant your remark to be racist, but it kinda sounds that way. At least to some of us.
Understandable, but I'm not sure if I should apologize for that. It's not like it's my fault that your culture has turned into something so flammable, is it? -> that of course on the other hand doesn't prevent me from being a bit more cautious in the future. So there. You're doing it again. Are you really so unaware??? 
So you weren't originally trying to be inflamatory, so you were poking fun at yourself. The point is you made a BLANKET STATEMENT about a group of people. Pointing out an entire race MAKES YOUR STATEMENT RACIAL. If race is unimportant to the statement, why put it in there at all? You could have said, "those 2 had way more facial hair than me & I'm 23!" It's a pretty simple concept actually. The fact that people are wondering about your logic should be a sign. You should think about the validity of your statement - how many Black Americans do you know? Is what you're spouting even true? Hmmm...   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Who's arm is that on the right? Andre? All in their cute lil matching jackets. hehehe | |
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Essence said: Who's arm is that on the right? Andre? All in their cute lil matching jackets. hehehe
Yeah! I noticed that too. 
I remember those days of adding studs to dress up a jacket  | |
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CalhounSq said: You're doing it again. Are you really so unaware???
No, I am not responsible for said groups problems with any other group and furthermore as European (and someone who obviously has some common sense left in his head) I refuse to be criticized without rationale on some common ground on human behaviour for something that is a sore subject maybe in your own culture but not in ours. Of course I can be more cautious, and maybe that's what I should have done, but you're crossing the line on nitpicking that it's starting to disturb me. If I point out something that is characteristic for anyone's appearance and it's relevant to their genetics you must be insane (or just utterly bored with life) to claim that its not something that is OK to talk about.All of this has hardly anything to do with "making a racial statement". First of all, it is NOT a statement. A statement would require far much more than a few lines on a public internet discussion forum concerning a funny picture of a famous musician and his friend as teenagers. Race and ethnic origin is NOT however unimportant to the "original statement" it is a very relevant part of it (Lord Christ, get over with this "original statement"!). It's like watching the telly and saying: "Ooh, golly... Afghans have some funny hats don't they?". Well they do. But only from our perspective - that certainly doesn't mean they should stop wearing their hats. Really racial or what? Such an over-generalization on a specific group of people. I should be really ashamed. For the last time: "Black people start getting beards at an earlier age than white people in general" is not a racist comment. It might be "racial" in terms of grammar or whatnot, but if that is all it takes for anyone to get pissed off I really don't know what to think of your collective mental state. There are far bigger problems in the world than someone having more facial hair as teenagers as others. | |
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Two Soul Brothers with Fros makes me think of Dewaynne from "What's happening""Boom,Boom Washington from "Welcome Back Kotter. mistermaxxx | |
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Novabreaker said: CalhounSq said: You're doing it again. Are you really so unaware???
No, I am not responsible for said groups problems with any other group and furthermore as European (and someone who obviously has some common sense left in his head) I refuse to be criticized without rationale on some common ground on human behaviour for something that is a sore subject maybe in your own culture but not in ours. Of course I can be more cautious, and maybe that's what I should have done, but you're crossing the line on nitpicking that it's starting to disturb me. If I point out something that is characteristic for anyone's appearance and it's relevant to their genetics you must be insane (or just utterly bored with life) to claim that its not something that is OK to talk about.All of this has hardly anything to do with "making a racial statement". First of all, it is NOT a statement. A statement would require far much more than a few lines on a public internet discussion forum concerning a funny picture of a famous musician and his friend as teenagers. Race and ethnic origin is NOT however unimportant to the "original statement" it is a very relevant part of it (Lord Christ, get over with this "original statement"!). It's like watching the telly and saying: "Ooh, golly... Afghans have some funny hats don't they?". Well they do. But only from our perspective - that certainly doesn't mean they should stop wearing their hats. Really racial or what? Such an over-generalization on a specific group of people. I should be really ashamed. For the last time: "Black people start getting beards at an earlier age than white people in general" is not a racist comment. It might be "racial" in terms of grammar or whatnot, but if that is all it takes for anyone to get pissed off I really don't know what to think of your collective mental state. There are far bigger problems in the world than someone having more facial hair as teenagers as others. ...Yes, and those problems have often started as a result of comparisons between races and ethnicities, lol...! But seriously, yes there are indeed far bigger problems in the world than worrying about the degree of facial hair on a man, but my friend, you really seem to be missing the point. In your facial hair scenario you were making a blanket generalization about one race of people compared to another (which is not based on any scientific information that I'm aware of). Your statement, whether you realize it or not, became racial/racist in that it was in direct regard to a physical characteristic of someone's RACE and ethnic lineage, and unfortunately, it did seem a bit in the context of a put-down rather than a simple illustration of fact or thought. The analogy/comparison between your description of these young black men and the funny hats of the Afghans simply dosen't wash, because the former statement is in reference to a persons race and genetic make up (an inherent characteristic), whereas the latter statement is about a style of dress (which is tangible, changable, etc.,). Although I wasn't too put off by your initial staement, I must admit that I was insulted by the comment above. It may be easy for you cop out of your responsibility for the feelings of others by insinuating that we're hyper-sensitive or even crazy, and that's okay if that's how you choose to live. However, please understand that non-factual generalizations about groups of people have a tendency to ignite response. World history and current events have shown VERY CLEARY that the greatest crimes against human kind have started with a single idea comparing the difference between sexes or ethnic groups to assert one's inherent right to dominate the other; from raping, robbing and pillaging the people and treasures of whole continents to the subjectgation of entire races. From the African slave trade to the concentration of the Native American Indian; from the genocide of European Jews to the Kurds; from the 6-10 yr. old Pakistani prostitute/carpet weavers to the underage sexually trafficked girls of Thailand and Bosnia...you must realize that these crimes, and countless others, all start with a single, derogatory idea expressed to others, friend... Sorry if that rant was too heavy, but baby love TOOK ME THERE! Now, back to that afro...I dig that picture, it's old school and makes me feel nostalgic, kinda like Spike Lee's Crooklyn... | |
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Novabreaker said: CalhounSq said: You're doing it again. Are you really so unaware???
No, I am not responsible for said groups problems with any other group and furthermore as European (and someone who obviously has some common sense left in his head) I refuse to be criticized without rationale on some common ground on human behaviour for something that is a sore subject maybe in your own culture but not in ours. Of course I can be more cautious, and maybe that's what I should have done, but you're crossing the line on nitpicking that it's starting to disturb me. There is no nit-picking when you say things like, "It's not like it's my fault that your culture has turned into something so flammable, is it?" Personally, I thought that statement was much more silly than what kicked this whole thing off. I get the feeling you're smart enough to see the downright insulting nature of that sentence, but I sure as hell don't know why you would say such a stupid thing. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: Novabreaker said: CalhounSq said: You're doing it again. Are you really so unaware???
No, I am not responsible for said groups problems with any other group and furthermore as European (and someone who obviously has some common sense left in his head) I refuse to be criticized without rationale on some common ground on human behaviour for something that is a sore subject maybe in your own culture but not in ours. Of course I can be more cautious, and maybe that's what I should have done, but you're crossing the line on nitpicking that it's starting to disturb me. There is no nit-picking when you say things like, "It's not like it's my fault that your culture has turned into something so flammable, is it?" Personally, I thought that statement was much more silly than what kicked this whole thing off. I get the feeling you're smart enough to see the downright insulting nature of that sentence, but I sure as hell don't know why you would say such a stupid thing. How did a thread about a picture of Prince and Morris trun into whatever the hell is going on now? ~KiKi | |
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ReeseStrongnight said: However, please understand that non-factual generalizations about groups of people have a tendency to ignite response.
That's really all I was trying to say. Why he can't understand that VERY simple point is mindboggling...  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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This topic would make a very interesting anthropological study.
I have to say that I am against racism in every form, but I have to side with Novabreaker on this one. The absolute lack of tolerance that the Americans (shit, can I use that word?) on the org demonstrate to even the most minimal reference to race is astounding. It is political correctness to an extreme, and IMO a far more negative force than Novabreaker's initial and further statements. His statement was objective, it had not an ounce of condemnation and to top it all off, by reference to his own facial growth, Novabreaker only deprecated himself. [assuming more facial growth makes a better man]. I feel sorry for a culture enslaved in political correctness to the point of suffocation. I also feel sorry for people so willing to misconstrue and lash out at an innocent comment. I am willing to give Novabreaker the benefit of the doubt on this one, that he had not a single racist intention and that his original comment was not at all in error. Life it ain't real funky unless you got that orgPop. | |
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sabaisabai said: This topic would make a very interesting anthropological study.
I have to say that I am against racism in every form, but I have to side with Novabreaker on this one. The absolute lack of tolerance that the Americans (shit, can I use that word?) on the org demonstrate to even the most minimal reference to race is astounding. It is political correctness to an extreme, and IMO a far more negative force than Novabreaker's initial and further statements. His statement was objective, it had not an ounce of condemnation and to top it all off, by reference to his own facial growth, Novabreaker only deprecated himself. [assuming more facial growth makes a better man]. I feel sorry for a culture enslaved in political correctness to the point of suffocation. I also feel sorry for people so willing to misconstrue and lash out at an innocent comment. I am willing to give Novabreaker the benefit of the doubt on this one, that he had not a single racist intention and that his original comment was not at all in error.  | |
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sabaisabai said: I have to say that I am against racism in every form, but I have to side with Novabreaker on this one.
Of course. The absolute lack of tolerance that the Americans (shit, can I use that word?) on the org demonstrate to even the most minimal reference to race is astounding. It is political correctness to an extreme, and IMO a far more negative force than Novabreaker's initial and further statements.
Many people do have a tendency to cry "political correctness" when racial ignorance and stupidity is displayed and someone is taken to task for it. It's a good shut them up sort of tactic. And it helps to preface it that way before agreeing.  [This message was edited Mon Nov 11 0:49:38 PST 2002 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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The facial hair comment was more stupid than racist. But it was racist. Bottom line, hes too stupid to get mad at. The only politicaly correct term is politicaly correct. White people have the planet fucked up behind their insecurity.Theres right, and wrong period. They say money don't buy you luv. But it'll help w/ the search. | |
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ReeseStrongnight said:
But seriously, yes there are indeed far bigger problems in the world than worrying about the degree of facial hair on a man, but my friend, you really seem to be missing the point. In your facial hair scenario you were making a blanket generalization about one race of people compared to another (which is not based on any scientific information that I'm aware of). Your statement, whether you realize it or not, became racial/racist in that it was in direct regard to a physical characteristic of someone's RACE and ethnic lineage, and unfortunately, it did seem a bit in the context of a put-down rather than a simple illustration of fact or thought. The analogy/comparison between your description of these young black men and the funny hats of the Afghans simply dosen't wash, because the former statement is in reference to a persons race and genetic make up (an inherent characteristic), whereas the latter statement is about a style of dress (which is tangible, changable, etc.,). Although I wasn't too put off by your initial staement, I must admit that I was insulted by the comment above. It may be easy for you cop out of your responsibility for the feelings of others by insinuating that we're hyper-sensitive or even crazy, and that's okay if that's how you choose to live. However, please understand that non-factual generalizations about groups of people have a tendency to ignite response. I thought Calhoun Square was pretty clear. But, the above post breaks it down in to the simplest terms. Anyone who misses the point after reading Calhouns' and ResesStrong posts is blind. As for the pic... LOL! at the studded jackets with turtle neck sweaters. Stylin' and profilin' . [This message was edited Mon Nov 11 6:06:52 PST 2002 by Ifsixwuz9] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Thank you ReeseStrongnig for writing your response - I do agree with everything you said. Especially with the whole irrelevance of the Afghan hats and the facial hair. Yet by simply saying that over-generalizations ignite further problems aren't you making a rash over-generalization yourself? And for the last time: I short post at a public discussion forum is not quaklified as A STATEMENT. Please do not refer to it as such.
--- However, please understand that non-factual generalizations about groups of people have a tendency to ignite response. --- I'm sorry. I forgot for a minute that the world wasn't perfect. Altough I do not need a cop out, like you would suggest. I would never call a black man a gorilla - it oviously didn't even enter my mind. Otherwise I wouldn't have written all that. So why am I to blame on that? Aren't those thoughts in your head and not in mine? Aren't you more likely the racist then? Why is that so hard to understand by Calhoun Square and others? But in case you just couldn't stand the fact that I dared to criticize the American society once more, well I'm sorry, those sentiments are very prevailing everywhere across your borders (and inside them too). By the fact that you are demanding me and other people to behave by your own codes of courtesy - no matter how unbelievable they might seem or how unaware we might be of them are an ideology of racial supremacy to its fullest. Can't you just understand that if you have a problem inside your system and we do not it hardly can be blamed on us? Why am I expected to behave a certain way that I am hardly aware of? I do know you have serious problems concerining racial matters but I didn't really think that even today by mentioning the words "black" and "facial hair" would lead into a situation where a bunch of people with too much time in their hands would automatically make the deduction of black man + facial hair -> an underdeveloped unintelligent gorilla. So I should be aware how your society works exactly but you do not have to bother to understand anything about other cultures? Because that is what you all are saying, it seems. What kind of hypocrites are you anyway? "He's an idiot. He should have known how our society works." And yes. I won't apologize, it is indeed not my or my ancestors' fault that your society behaves the way it does. If I say something that is perfectly okay within European boundaries - within the codes I've been living all through my life and thinking they are all I need - and there was not a hint of disgrace included into it (at least intentionally) - please tell me what was it that I actually did wrong? Criticize the American society? Well, you deserved that. Obviously. And excuse me, but wasn't the original intention of the post to make people laught at the picture? Calhoun Square was the first one to do it herself, wasn't she? My sin was just that I made "a racial statement" by including the word "black" in it. Oh, and I did criticize America. Well wouldn't it be a good time for all of you to wake up? ___ ... but in case you want to laugh at us Finns and the funnier aspects of our genetical and cultural characteristics please do click the link below. Have your revenge, I'm asking you to: http://www.studiopoint.fi...amieto.jpg He's the most beloved cross-country skiing hero of all time in our caountry. Check out the facial hair! You can't deny it wouldn't be funny. And it's all in the genetics. [This message was edited Tue Nov 12 6:58:48 PST 2002 by Novabreaker] | |
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Supernova said: Personally, I thought that statement was much more silly than what kicked this whole thing off. I get the feeling you're smart enough to see the downright insulting nature of that sentence, but I sure as hell don't know why you would say such a stupid thing. Oh the second statement wasn't unintentionally insulting. I never claimed that - for it was in every word intentional... I'll admit to that. It had nothing to do with blacks or facial hair, but it had everything to do with my disdain towards the more perverted aspects of American culture that you are trying to force feed us. Can I just ask why are you doing that? . Jagjams said: The facial hair comment was more stupid than racist. But it was racist. Bottom line, hes too stupid to get mad at. The only politicaly correct term is politicaly correct. White people have the planet fucked up behind their insecurity.Theres right, and wrong period.
Oh, perfect. You are giving me crap for talking about facial hair on another race than mine, but you are willing to let off this plain racist to speak whatever he wants? "White people have the planet fucked up behind their insecurity" Really racially tolerant or what? I'm challengin all of you to respond to this person. Or is your perception of racism just one-sided? Calhoun Square, it's your turn. | |
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CalhounSq said: ReeseStrongnight said: However, please understand that non-factual generalizations about groups of people have a tendency to ignite response.
That's really all I was trying to say. Why he can't understand that VERY simple point is mindboggling... Because I have understood your point long ago. Who wouldn't? No doubt these things seem to occur, but you just can't blame me for not being aware of those racist thoughts within your OWN head. What I personally find mind-boggling is that people bother to respond to this thread without reading at all what I've written. I am talking about cultural differencies now and YOUR intolerance towards them. | |
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That pic is a keeper! Thanks for sharing. Now, why is it that I feel that was the last time we'll ever see either of them natural again.  | |
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Novabreaker said: Supernova said: Personally, I thought that statement was much more silly than what kicked this whole thing off. I get the feeling you're smart enough to see the downright insulting nature of that sentence, but I sure as hell don't know why you would say such a stupid thing. Oh the second statement wasn't unintentionally insulting. I never claimed that - for it was in every word intentional... I'll admit to that. It had nothing to do with blacks or facial hair, but it had everything to do with my disdain towards the more perverted aspects of American culture that you are trying to force feed us. Can I just ask why are you doing that? Uh huh. Your stupidity in this thread is duly noted, as is your utter, steadfast, arrogance afterwards. You should have quit when you were miles behind. And since you have no idea what the word "statement" means: Main Entry: state·ment
Pronunciation: 'stAt-m&nt Function: noun Date: circa 1775 1 : something stated: as a : a single declaration or remark : ASSERTION b : a report of facts or opinions 2 : the act or process of stating or presenting orally or on paper Ugh [This message was edited Tue Nov 12 19:52:19 PST 2002 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: Uh huh. Your stupidity in this thread is duly noted, as is your utter, steadfast, arrogance afterwards.
As is yours. | |
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Good 'i know you are but what am I' comeback, dude! | |
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Novabreaker said: Supernova said: Uh huh. Your stupidity in this thread is duly noted, as is your utter, steadfast, arrogance afterwards.
As is yours. Is it possible, even for a SECOND, that you're letting your obvious disdain for Americans cloud your ability to see simple LOGIC???
It's not even your disdain that bugs me, it's that you refuse to admit your statement (as innocent as it was) didn't HAVE to be racial, but you CHOSE to make it that way. It's very simple: when you add race to the equation, race becomes part of that equation. Hence, this whole "racial" discussion. If you can't figure that out (no matter what country you live in), how the heck did you manage learning to type??? Dude, just own up to it already... I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Wolf said: Good 'i know you are but what am I' comeback, dude!
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CalhounSq said: It's not even your disdain that bugs me, it's that you refuse to admit your statement (as innocent as it was) didn't HAVE to be racial, but you CHOSE to make it that way. It's very simple: when you add race to the equation, race becomes part of that equation. Hence, this whole "racial" discussion. You know what? Crap, you're right. I'll admit that it most certainly didn't have to be racial or that race wouldn't have to mentioned. If it apparently has hurt your feelings then I'm sorry. No, really I will apologize for that, now that I've calmed down a bit these past few days. Of course the bottom line is that if someone gets offended -even if it happened unintentionally - one should seek ways to cure the situation not just idiotically build up the fire. Especially if the subject is so sore - and I'm not THAT stupid to realize it's not essentially one of the safest subjects to rant about. Of course, I'll admit it was very stupid of me to continue all this, but afterall that I've been personally through I just can't stand anybody calling ME a racist upfront. I guess that's why the strong reaction, I hope you can understand that at least to a degree. Let me breathe a moment and re-evaluate the situation and find a way to make up for the damage that I've caused. If that is possible. I've always hated these racial discussions at the .org all through its history and I'm VERY surprised that I somehow actually ended up as an instigator for this all. 7 years behind in the Prince internet community and now this. I know that even Prince himself wouldn't be too amused by some of my earlier comments. Too much anger - I have no idea where it's coming from. | |
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servantsofpuas said: VinaBlue said: 
Morris: WTF Kid! How did you get two right hands!!! [This message was edited Wed Nov 6 16:01:22 PST 2002 by servantsofpuas] I believe that is somebody elses hand next to Prince. |
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