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Reply #240 posted 06/05/08 1:43pm

jaimestarr79

It is kind of ironic for him to be singing a song like "creep" to begin with because of the language. Especially since he vows to never cuss again. lol
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Reply #241 posted 06/05/08 1:46pm

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jaimestarr79 said:

It is kind of ironic for him to be singing a song like "creep" to begin with because of the language. Especially since he vows to never cuss again. lol

Ironic how one contradicts himself too( quite often in my view too) rolleyes


I mean seriously think about it...

he has said:

he is done touring/ or retiring(failed)
hes done with cussing(failed)
he said he would not sing the old songs again(failed)

shall I go on? rolleyes
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Reply #242 posted 06/05/08 1:47pm

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But Prince wouldn't be Prince if he didn't contradict himself. It's what he does, for better or worse.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #243 posted 06/05/08 1:50pm

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purplecam said:

But Prince wouldn't be Prince if he didn't contradict himself. It's what he does, for better or worse.

People get sick of the run around too and quite often leave his ass in the dust(like real people do too)
Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song wall
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Reply #244 posted 06/05/08 1:56pm

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toots said:

purplecam said:

But Prince wouldn't be Prince if he didn't contradict himself. It's what he does, for better or worse.

People get sick of the run around too and quite often leave his ass in the dust(like real people do too)

Well that's them. If they can't handle it, they can leave. It's not being cold and I'm not condoning his behavior but it's true. And from what I've seen, people who leave, find a way back to Prince sooner or later. What can we say? shrug
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I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #245 posted 06/05/08 1:58pm

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purplecam said:

toots said:


People get sick of the run around too and quite often leave his ass in the dust(like real people do too)

Well that's them. If they can't handle it, they can leave. It's not being cold and I'm not condoning his behavior but it's true. And from what I've seen, people who leave, find a way back to Prince sooner or later. What can we say? shrug
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I already have a foot out the door and the other is inching its way to follow.
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Reply #246 posted 06/05/08 2:01pm

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toots said:

purplecam said:


Well that's them. If they can't handle it, they can leave. It's not being cold and I'm not condoning his behavior but it's true. And from what I've seen, people who leave, find a way back to Prince sooner or later. What can we say? shrug
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I already have a foot out the door and the other is inching its way to follow.

If you go, then it's been real. A lot of people here should be gone but yet they stay. It's whatever to me. I'm here for the music and I'm digging it. His antics won't stop me from being a fan but that's me. Everyone needs to do what they have to do to be and stay happy. It's all good.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #247 posted 06/05/08 2:02pm

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toots said:

purplecam said:


Well that's them. If they can't handle it, they can leave. It's not being cold and I'm not condoning his behavior but it's true. And from what I've seen, people who leave, find a way back to Prince sooner or later. What can we say? shrug
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I already have a foot out the door and the other is inching its way to follow.


I think that many people are far too invested in this dude as a person, they just care too much. They not only follow his every move but they dissect the shit outta it as well.

Listen, I think the man is a dink and does dinky things...but really, I only really care about the music he produces. It's ok to like his music but not him as a person. It's ok to still wanna see him live even when you're not that into his latest releases. It's ok to think what he did in this situation makes him come off as a fucking asshole.

It doesn't make you any less of a Prince fan - because really, it supposed to be about the music.
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Reply #248 posted 06/05/08 2:04pm

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JustErin said:

toots said:


I already have a foot out the door and the other is inching its way to follow.


I think that many people are far too invested in this dude as a person, they just care too much. They not only follow his every move but they dissect the shit outta it as well.

Listen, I think the man is a dink and does dinky things...but really, I only really care about the music he produces. It's ok to like his music but not him as a person. It's ok to still wanna see him live even when you're not that into his latest releases. It's ok to think what he did in this situation makes him come off as a fucking asshole.

It doesn't make you any less of a Prince fan - because really, it supposed to be about the music.

DING! DING! DING! That's it right there! It's all about the music, first and foremost. Always has and always will be.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #249 posted 06/05/08 2:06pm

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purplecam said:

JustErin said:



I think that many people are far too invested in this dude as a person, they just care too much. They not only follow his every move but they dissect the shit outta it as well.

Listen, I think the man is a dink and does dinky things...but really, I only really care about the music he produces. It's ok to like his music but not him as a person. It's ok to still wanna see him live even when you're not that into his latest releases. It's ok to think what he did in this situation makes him come off as a fucking asshole.

It doesn't make you any less of a Prince fan - because really, it supposed to be about the music.

DING! DING! DING! That's it right there! It's all about the music, first and foremost. Always has and always will be.


Well, of course. But on the flipside, there are some people who are so obsessed that the man can do no wrong at all and the excuse everything he does. That kind of fandom has nothing to do with the music at all, imo.
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Reply #250 posted 06/05/08 2:08pm

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JustErin said:

purplecam said:


DING! DING! DING! That's it right there! It's all about the music, first and foremost. Always has and always will be.


Well, of course. But on the flipside, there are some people who are so obsessed that the man can do no wrong at all and the excuse everything he does. That kind of fandom has nothing to do with the music at all, imo.

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Reply #251 posted 06/05/08 2:49pm

Anxiety

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I have to wonder this, if his version of "Creep" is so bad, as a lot of people here believe it is, then why do we care if it's seen on youtube or not? I mean if it sucks and it's out there like on youtube, we'll complain. If it's not out there at all and it's sucks or is even great, we'll complain. When will we be satisfied? I want change too but if change happens on Prince's end, will we change our attitudes with it or will it be business as usual? I hope what I asked made some kind of sense.


and if we're going to complain about crappy prince videos that aren't allowed on youtube, can we AT LEAST complain about "the good life"? that bootleg mess might have been a real stinker, but it features footage of jill jones, madhouse and prince's daddy and my (hypothetical!!!) copy looks like total crap! UNBLOCK IT, PRINCE!!!!

or, okay, fine. can we at least have the "letitgo" video? cuz that's naaaasty. nod
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Reply #252 posted 06/05/08 3:39pm

kimrachell

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radiohead should start covering prince songs during their shows and then post footage of it all over the place. biggrin


good idea! smile prince doesn't think it's okay for people to use HIS music, but it's okay for him to use theirs? eek
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Reply #253 posted 06/05/08 3:45pm

Flowerz

eek


*gets the popcorn n pepsi .. reading*
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Reply #254 posted 06/05/08 3:53pm

Anxiety

kimrachell said:

Anxiety said:

radiohead should start covering prince songs during their shows and then post footage of it all over the place. biggrin


good idea! smile prince doesn't think it's okay for people to use HIS music, but it's okay for him to use theirs? eek


i'll be honest, i just wanna hear radiohead cover "the future". lol
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Reply #255 posted 06/05/08 4:08pm

Flowerz

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2020 said:



Its funny cause its out there - people just have to know where to look! wink


there's a LOT out there still. the games of cat & mouse between prince and his purple underground are alive and well.


nod mmm hmm lurking
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Reply #256 posted 06/05/08 4:20pm

violetblues

If Prince hadn't stopped the Radiohead cover, this would have been a non event that would have been over a month ago.
You tell kids they cant have something, and the more they want it.
People are still searching for it to see what all the fuss is about.
Publicity wise it has been a win-win situation, drawing attention to both these artists. Simple old fashioned marketing.
Radiohead has said they would not release their next album, like they did this one,.. some crazy “pay-what-you-want” scheme. Ill give them credit for their good natured naïveté, but stupid idea none the less, they know this. BUT it was good worldwide publicity. Great album,i like it a whole lot better than anything Prince has released in the past 15 years. I recieved it as a gift from public radio's KCRW during their pledge drive along with a few other cd's for my pledge.

It is simply good business not to just lay back and let YouTube and the likes make money,off other people's work.
YouTube is worth a billion dollars, at least that’s what Google bought it for. THAT’S A BILLION with a capital B, $1.65 billon to be exact.
And it typically generates 20 million dollars annually.
So before you talk about how its all non profit, tell that to Google stockholders who would beg to differ.
And by withholding it for free, it creates interest, it creates demand, and doesn’t devaluate an artists work, and gives the artist rights and funds the artists, not Google. If an artist wants to give it away, that’s fine, and if they don’t that should be fine too.

But whatever you do, please don’t portray yourself as some poor victim, to the villain Prince, that only wants his interests protected, while you sit on your ass bitching why an unnecessary luxury isn’t free, instead make yourself usefull bitch and spend as much energy on why gasoline and healthcare are so expensive instead.
and lastly, copyright protects a performance as well, regardless of who wrote the work, otherwise all those concert bootlegs would be Youtube too.
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Reply #257 posted 06/05/08 4:59pm

Flowerz

purplecam said:

That's a great point right there. It's a total 180 from how people here were reacting when we heard and even saw Prince do "Creep". I don't agree with what Prince is doing but like you said, it's his right to do this but the reaction here towards what he's done is downright scary as fuck. I'm freaked out reading some of the posts here It's like Prince did a song and insulted their mothers. It wasn't and isn't that serious. We need to calm down.


nod mmm hmmm ... chill pill chill pillchill pill chill pill
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Reply #258 posted 06/05/08 6:32pm

DAYDREAMER1


lol
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Reply #259 posted 06/05/08 10:15pm

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violetblues said:

If Prince hadn't stopped the Radiohead cover, this would have been a non event that would have been over a month ago.
You tell kids they cant have something, and the more they want it.
People are still searching for it to see what all the fuss is about.
Publicity wise it has been a win-win situation, drawing attention to both these artists. Simple old fashioned marketing.
Radiohead has said they would not release their next album, like they did this one,.. some crazy “pay-what-you-want” scheme. Ill give them credit for their good natured naïveté, but stupid idea none the less, they know this. BUT it was good worldwide publicity. Great album,i like it a whole lot better than anything Prince has released in the past 15 years. I recieved it as a gift from public radio's KCRW during their pledge drive along with a few other cd's for my pledge.

It is simply good business not to just lay back and let YouTube and the likes make money,off other people's work.
YouTube is worth a billion dollars, at least that’s what Google bought it for. THAT’S A BILLION with a capital B, $1.65 billon to be exact.
And it typically generates 20 million dollars annually.
So before you talk about how its all non profit, tell that to Google stockholders who would beg to differ.
And by withholding it for free, it creates interest, it creates demand, and doesn’t devaluate an artists work, and gives the artist rights and funds the artists, not Google. If an artist wants to give it away, that’s fine, and if they don’t that should be fine too.

But whatever you do, please don’t portray yourself as some poor victim, to the villain Prince, that only wants his interests protected, while you sit on your ass bitching why an unnecessary luxury isn’t free, instead make yourself usefull bitch and spend as much energy on why gasoline and healthcare are so expensive instead.
and lastly, copyright protects a performance as well, regardless of who wrote the work, otherwise all those concert bootlegs would be Youtube too.
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[Edited 6/5/08 19:21pm]



Spreading misinformation about copyrights again, I see. As I said earlier, if the laws were as you state, then companies like the Inquirer, TMZ, the Star and so on would be out of business. Again, you are WRONG and there's plenty of laws to prove it. THE AUTHOR OF THE VIDEO IS THE OWNER OF THE COPYRIGHT, NOT THE SUBJECT OF IT.
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Reply #260 posted 06/05/08 10:31pm

violetblues

BlaqueKnight said:

violetblues said:

If Prince hadn't stopped the Radiohead cover, this would have been a non event that would have been over a month ago.
You tell kids they cant have something, and the more they want it.
People are still searching for it to see what all the fuss is about.
Publicity wise it has been a win-win situation, drawing attention to both these artists. Simple old fashioned marketing.
Radiohead has said they would not release their next album, like they did this one,.. some crazy “pay-what-you-want” scheme. Ill give them credit for their good natured naïveté, but stupid idea none the less, they know this. BUT it was good worldwide publicity. Great album,i like it a whole lot better than anything Prince has released in the past 15 years. I recieved it as a gift from public radio's KCRW during their pledge drive along with a few other cd's for my pledge.

It is simply good business not to just lay back and let YouTube and the likes make money,off other people's work.
YouTube is worth a billion dollars, at least that’s what Google bought it for. THAT’S A BILLION with a capital B, $1.65 billon to be exact.
And it typically generates 20 million dollars annually.
So before you talk about how its all non profit, tell that to Google stockholders who would beg to differ.
And by withholding it for free, it creates interest, it creates demand, and doesn’t devaluate an artists work, and gives the artist rights and funds the artists, not Google. If an artist wants to give it away, that’s fine, and if they don’t that should be fine too.

But whatever you do, please don’t portray yourself as some poor victim, to the villain Prince, that only wants his interests protected, while you sit on your ass bitching why an unnecessary luxury isn’t free, instead make yourself usefull bitch and spend as much energy on why gasoline and healthcare are so expensive instead.
and lastly, copyright protects a performance as well, regardless of who wrote the work, otherwise all those concert bootlegs would be Youtube too.
[Edited 6/5/08 17:23pm]
[Edited 6/5/08 19:21pm]



Spreading misinformation about copyrights again, I see. As I said earlier, if the laws were as you state, then companies like the Inquirer, TMZ, the Star and so on would be out of business. Again, you are WRONG and there's plenty of laws to prove it. THE AUTHOR OF THE VIDEO IS THE OWNER OF THE COPYRIGHT, NOT THE SUBJECT OF IT.



Bullshit, the Star etc, are taking pictures of celebrities in public, not possting their performances on youtube. lol,
and those homemade camcorder shot recent release dvd's at the swap-meet must be legit too. wink

check up on that will you

falloff
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Reply #261 posted 06/05/08 11:16pm

pinkrain

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Reply #262 posted 06/05/08 11:54pm

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violetblues said:

BlaqueKnight said:




Spreading misinformation about copyrights again, I see. As I said earlier, if the laws were as you state, then companies like the Inquirer, TMZ, the Star and so on would be out of business. Again, you are WRONG and there's plenty of laws to prove it. THE AUTHOR OF THE VIDEO IS THE OWNER OF THE COPYRIGHT, NOT THE SUBJECT OF IT.



Bullshit, the Star etc, are taking pictures of celebrities in public, not possting their performances on youtube. lol,
and those homemade camcorder shot recent release dvd's at the swap-meet must be legit too. wink

check up on that will you

falloff



I see you're strong on strawman arguments and weak on facts.
Let me say this AGAIN so that you can understand it. If you tape someone's performance, in order TO MAKE MONEY FROM IT, YOU NEED A RELEASE FORM. Professionally shot performances are usually the property of the label. Hand-cam/Hi8/camera phone/mini-cam shot stuff is USUALLY the property of some amateur videographer who's just a fan of an artist.
Its illegal to sell bootlegs. The artist didn't sign off on them and in the case of movies, you are copying video and audio that has already been created and SELLING IT AT A SWAP MEET. See those capital letters? THAT is where the law is broken. Incidently, filming a film is considered duplication. That's different from filming live performances. It is NOT illegal to film something and give it away because...read it slowly so that you can understand it...IF YOU ARE THE VIDEOGRAPHER, ITS YOURS UNLESS ITS A WORK FOR HIRE. Why? Because video, like a drawing or a photograph, is considered ART. The author of the art is the owner, NOT THE DAMN SUBJECT OF THE ART.
Its obvious you don't know jack shit about copyright laws.
Please don't bother responding without facts and please READ and don't respond to things I didn't say, like you just did earlier.

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Reply #263 posted 06/06/08 12:20am

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Truth be told by way of opinion; THIS is a way better version.

‎"The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page
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Reply #264 posted 06/06/08 12:51am

viewaskew

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JustErin said:



Well, of course. But on the flipside, there are some people who are so obsessed that the man can do no wrong at all and the excuse everything he does. That kind of fandom has nothing to do with the music at all, imo.

nod


Taking it a step further, since they believe he can do no wrong, they are dopey enough to believe that they too are always right in asserting that absurdity.
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Reply #265 posted 06/06/08 12:53am

viewaskew

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purplecam said:

I have to wonder this, if his version of "Creep" is so bad, as a lot of people here believe it is, then why do we care if it's seen on youtube or not? I mean if it sucks and it's out there like on youtube, we'll complain. If it's not out there at all and it's sucks or is even great, we'll complain. When will we be satisfied? I want change too but if change happens on Prince's end, will we change our attitudes with it or will it be business as usual? I hope what I asked made some kind of sense.


Some Prince fans will never be satisfied. Thats a fact.
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And others are satisfied far too easily.
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Reply #266 posted 06/06/08 12:55am

iloveannie

It's always the small ones isn't it...
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Reply #267 posted 06/06/08 1:18am

viewaskew

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It's always the small ones isn't it...


You mean people like yourself who try to bait others?

You'd be thrown right back in the water, I fear.
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Reply #268 posted 06/06/08 2:26am

syble

violetblues said:


And by withholding it for free, it creates interest, it creates demand, and doesn’t devaluate an artists work, and gives the artist rights and funds the artists, not Google. If an artist wants to give it away, that’s fine, and if they don’t that should be fine too.


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i understand you but what about the long arm of npg affecting the rights of people like Jill Jones to have her video on myspace?

There is more to this then meets the eye. Yes people need to stand up for their copyright etc and yes google should self-police which i think they try to do.

What about the rights of individuals like the dancing child to prince music that was sued?

money breeds power and that can be dangerous. i dont just mean princes power but that of those he employs too. Some may be eager too eager to please and keep their contracts. Who set up web sheriff as the ideal police for the net? not us, we didnt agree, the ordinary user of the net. who polices web sheriff?

by withholding it he is not creating demand. the demand was there when it happened those of us who couldnt be in the states saw it, bits of it and it made us enjoy prince as a performer. by withdrawing his stuff new people cannot enjoy his past music or videos - hes not exactly promoted on radio or in the record stores or online, itunes only sell a few old albums oh yes and f.u.n.k!


prince appears to champion the rights of the artist but what about the rights of the unsigned artists he has in contracts - tamar for example, seen her web page? says she was signed to universal with prince but they chose to never release her stuff. so who is going to hear her? whats the point of doing the gigs with her as 'featuring prince' giving her top billing and then dropping her like a wet fish gasping for air?

again i think hes ill-advised! and not in control.



oh yeah - and as for contradiction, its easy to make statements that you believe in but life goes on and things change and so do people. Maybe hes just all growed up now and actually - heaven forbid - like playing his golden oldies. maybe they remind him of a good time before mayte? maybe he cant remember all his other stuff? but what the hell we all like it so its cool!

Many people, as they get older, like to hark back to their youth and early twenties, its supposed to be the best time in your life as they say, whats actually the best time is being older and remembering with rose tinted specs your twenties with your friends and the music is the most part!

and before people say im a fanatic or something, id say that about all people. god when i was younger i was a veggie, a christian and god knows what else, plus i made loads of statements that i havent lived up to or would want to now! its called growing up!
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Reply #269 posted 06/06/08 2:40am

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purplecam said:

But Prince wouldn't be Prince if he didn't contradict himself. It's what he does, for better or worse.

indeed..as i said on a past thread that when the majority of artist wasn't using the internet for music Prince was..and now that They are..Prince is not.
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