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Reply #210 posted 05/31/08 1:29pm

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Let's keep it a civil discussion on the topic instead of getting personal on here with each other folks!

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Reply #211 posted 05/31/08 1:31pm

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Prince is insane, barking mad and thats why he does these crazy things. The fact of the matter is if prince wasnt a musician and creating something that society deemed worthwhile his genius/madness would have got him sectioned along time ago. Ill bet you aswell it wouldnt have suprised me if it went through his mind to try and get his performance at the half time superbowl blocked from being broadcast. lol



They said Einstein and Edison were insane, too.

I think Prince is absolutely misunderstood in this matter. You people can't get your free videos - people have been spoiled with free videos since Youtube came out. What did you do before Youtube - and now Prince tries to revolutionize things a little more by DEFENDING artists rights, starting with his own, and you brats freak out and attack him without even first stopping to REALLY consider his intentions.

And Thome Yorke's comment was probably just something off-the-cuff, but it was quoted by a reporter, so hopefully Prince doesn't believe Yorke has bad blood. He probably his tickled Prince covered his song.

Unless... and consider this... maybe Thome Yorke is the sell-out here. Maybe he realizes Prince is actually right in this matter, but it would the unpopular route to back Prince. So, he sides with all the naysayers by making that comment, thus getting alllll these people on his side. Hence, more record sales. If so, that's a genius business move, Thome.

Life is a game of chess.


The fact is you cant moan about people looking at your music on youtube if you wont release anything yourself I mean two crap live dvds in the last decade isnt really up to much is it. Its supply and demand if the people want it and you wont supply it they will go somewhere else to get their fix. The thing is prince has lived in a cocooned bubble away from reality now for 30 years 1977 was probably the last time he lived in the real world. That, he has lived like this plus his genius/madness and the fact he surrounds himself with professional arse lickers who never question anything he does and dont have the balls to voice their own opinons suggests to me he has turned in a colonel kurtz type figure up at paisley park.
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Reply #212 posted 05/31/08 1:57pm

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looks like this thread has lost its way...



it sure has. the people who will defend anything he does, and the people who claim he's shit and ain't worth nothing,yet spend their time talking about him and following his career. If I was Prince i would be honored. lol


If I was him I would be like this ---> eek extremists are scary.
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Reply #213 posted 06/05/08 5:46am

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This would not be happening if Prince covered a Funk-band's song..

Notice, how he never encounters any trouble for this from his own genre---even for yanking the footage.


In my opinion, there was nothing to this song, but the word "Creep" for shock-value..


It's funny that this band doesn't realize that it's Prince's likeness on the video that is the reason it's been yanked. if they could stop him, they could. His covering of the song has nothing to do with it.

I would re-post the song with no video just to please them on..Force them to go to Youtube, and listen.
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Reply #214 posted 06/05/08 7:48am

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wonder505 said:




it sure has. the people who will defend anything he does, and the people who claim he's shit and ain't worth nothing,yet spend their time talking about him and following his career. If I was Prince i would be honored. lol


If I was him I would be like this ---> eek extremists are scary.


You know what...you're right. eek
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Reply #215 posted 06/05/08 8:11am

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Good for Radiohead! Prince is taking this too far.

Next week I'm gonna take a stand myself on YouTube so if anyone is gonna get on the boat in the UK, make sure your cameraphone is working...

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Reply #216 posted 06/05/08 8:19am

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wonder505 said:

sammij said:

looks like this thread has lost its way...



it sure has. the people who will defend anything he does, and the people who claim he's shit and ain't worth nothing,yet spend their time talking about him and following his career. If I was Prince i would be honored. lol

That's no lie AT ALL. Amazing what happened to this thread.
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Reply #217 posted 06/05/08 8:22am

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So I guess the end result of this is, yes P was well within his rights to have the live performance clip taken down -- as posted by BigDaddyHQ according the law. And that's all I wanted to know.

But as I read through this thread it seems that most folks didn't even like the cover -- but wanted the right to see it and then bitch about not liking it. lol

Like I said in the beginning I don't see what the big deal is, especially since most didn't like that P changed some of the words in the performance.
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Reply #218 posted 06/05/08 8:27am

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Ifsixwuz9 said:

So I guess the end result of this is, yes P was well within his rights to have the live performance clip taken down -- as posted by BigDaddyHQ according the law. And that's all I wanted to know.

But as I read through this thread it seems that most folks didn't even like the cover -- but wanted the right to see it and then bitch about not liking it. lol

Like I said in the beginning I don't see what the big deal is, especially since most didn't like that P changed some of the words in the performance.

That's a great point right there. It's a total 180 from how people here were reacting when we heard and even saw Prince do "Creep". I don't agree with what Prince is doing but like you said, it's his right to do this but the reaction here towards what he's done is downright scary as fuck. I'm freaked out reading some of the posts here. It's like Prince did a song and insulted their mothers. It wasn't and isn't that serious. We need to calm down.
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Reply #219 posted 06/05/08 8:28am

Anxiety

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wonder505 said:




it sure has. the people who will defend anything he does, and the people who claim he's shit and ain't worth nothing,yet spend their time talking about him and following his career. If I was Prince i would be honored. lol

That's no lie AT ALL. Amazing what happened to this thread.


like i said earlier, i have to take back what i said about panty twistings. lol

i can understand a couple of dunderheaded angry outbursts - after all, this IS the internet - but to turn this topic into an all-out flame war? SO not necessary. take that mess to orgnotes if you even need to bother with it at all. disbelief
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Reply #220 posted 06/05/08 8:38am

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Anxiety said:

my guess is that typically, coachella would own the footage since it was from their festival.

i'm also guessing that as part of the terms of prince's appearance at the festival, he demanded full control of any recorded footage of his performance, thereby making footage from that part of the festival more or less his footage.

and i'd also wager that if we lived on bizarro world and prince were the kind of person who WOULD post his performance of the song and radiohead were anti-youtube, they could come in and say "we don't want our music on you tube" and if they got really nasty about it, then prince could only at best post a muted version of the clip?

all conjecture, mind you. shrug



Actually, if it was from a camera phone, the venue can't claim the copyright for the material. Its not theirs to claim. Copyrights belong to the AUTHOR. Whoever shot the footage owns it. They are not allowed to make money off of it without Prince signing a release form but the venue, Prince nor anyone else has legal rights over the video footage. If that were possible, magazines like the Star and the Inquirer would be out of business because celebrities would claim ownership of all of those bad photos just because they are in them. It doesn't work that way.
Sure, he owns the performance, but the video footage of the performance is NOT his since he didn't film it. Photography and videography is just as valid of an art as any other form is and you can't claim the work of a videographer without a "work for hire" copyright claim. Whoever shot it, owns it and has the right to say if it goes up or not.
Here's something fun to do; Somebody post the VIDEO from the performance with Radiohead's audio under it. giggle There's a quandry for Prince's ass. lol

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Reply #221 posted 06/05/08 8:43am

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Anxiety said:

my guess is that typically, coachella would own the footage since it was from their festival.

i'm also guessing that as part of the terms of prince's appearance at the festival, he demanded full control of any recorded footage of his performance, thereby making footage from that part of the festival more or less his footage.

and i'd also wager that if we lived on bizarro world and prince were the kind of person who WOULD post his performance of the song and radiohead were anti-youtube, they could come in and say "we don't want our music on you tube" and if they got really nasty about it, then prince could only at best post a muted version of the clip?

all conjecture, mind you. shrug



Actually, if it was from a camera phone, the venue can't claim the copyright for the material. Its not theirs to claim. Copyrights belong to the AUTHOR. Whoever shot the footage owns it. They are not allowed to make money off of it without Prince signing a release form but the venue, Prince nor anyone else has legal rights over the video footage. If that were possible, magazines like the Star and the Inquirer would be out of business because celebrities would claim ownership of all of those bad photos just because they are in them. It doesn't work that way.
Sure, he owns the performance, but the video footage of the performance is NOT his since he didn't film it. Photography and videography is just as valid of an art as any other form is and you can't claim the work of a videographer without a "work for hire" copyright claim. Whoever shot it, owns it and has the right to say if it goes up or not.
Here's something fun to do; Somebody post the VIDEO from the performance with Radiohead's audio under it. giggle There's a quandry from Prince's ass. lol


what you're saying reminds me of those quickie/cheapo straight-to-dvd rock documentaries that are able to show video footage of bands but they can't play the audio, so they just have narration over it or some cheesy "sound-alike" backing track that's supposed to approximate the song they're performing. i've also seen video clips of bands performing with no audio and a subtitle saying "audio withheld by artist's request". so i'm sure you're on to something here.
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Reply #222 posted 06/05/08 8:44am

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not sure if this has been mentioned, but isn't there usually something in the small print on concert tickets saying that the use of recording devices are not permitted????
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Reply #223 posted 06/05/08 8:48am

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do u guys know that the videos not working now...? atleast the ones i know of on youtube aren't.
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Reply #224 posted 06/05/08 8:55am

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berniejobs said:



I think Prince is absolutely misunderstood in this matter. You people can't get your free videos - people have been spoiled with free videos since Youtube came out. What did you do before Youtube



Music videos have NEVER been profitable. I don't know where you live, but in the States, music videos have ALWAYS been free - just broadcasted on television. What did people do? They recorded them on VHS. Video concerts have never been a viable form of profit for artists. Everybody on the distribution end of the music business knows this. Live concerts serve as a very small percentage of an artist's income and actually profits the labels more. Even in that respect, they don't yield much profit. Music videos are generally used as promotional tools. Live concerts usually sell to the fanbase and fanbases want clear, DVD footage shot with professional cameras, not grainy cameraphone footage. Only fanBOTs pay for that kind of thing. That was something that never profited the artist anyway because bootlegs were shot by people in the audience and weren't "quality" enough to qualify as being a consumer value. Youtube didn't spoil anyone, it just allowed amateur videographers and attention whores to come together in a happy medium. lol
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Reply #225 posted 06/05/08 9:29am

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"Whilst?" Whilst Prince is an asshole, this attitude toward the Internet will see him continue down the road toward irrelevance.

Some artists are very relaxed, or in other words, innovative, open-minded, non-control freaks.


As long as he can still strap that guitar around his neck. I wouldn't count Prince out. He'll be relevant as long as he wants to be. People talk a good game, but in reality they're still gonna go see him live.

As fast as the news cycle moves these days. This will be forgotten about by the mainstream media, and the average listener. As long as he puts out music and tours people won't care.

People are running around this place like Prince committed mass murder!!!


Musicians have literally pissed on their fans. Invited children over to their house and molested them while they sleep, allegedly. And Burned them with a crack pipe. All those artists managed to stay relevant as long as they put out music!!!

Prince hasn't committed a crime. He hasn't beaten anyone up in a nightclub. He hasn't been to rehab. He hasn't been caught lip syncing.

But I guess all those artists are still around 'cause they let people watch their videos on a website!!!

Like I said earlier, an artist can go to prison and the public doesn't care. There are artists out there who are a lot worse human beings than Prince, and they've managed to get away scott free!!! Has anyone here read Bobby Womack's book? Now THAT dude is an asshole!!!

During all the reviews I read for Prince's Coachella appearance, I didn't see one mention of his battle with the internet!!!

Some people here need to use their brains and think!!! Do you really think people are gonna stop buying Prince's albums and going to his concerts just because he doesn't let a few videos of crappy quality appear on Youtube???

For the literally dozens of people who's life this truly affects. There's millions of people out there who truly couldn't care less!!! I'm one of those millions!!!


don't b sure everyone will b going 2 a prince concert if he continues on this greatest hits/cover humdrum he's been doing lately ..cause it won't b me!!!
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man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #226 posted 06/05/08 9:49am

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Prince, if you read these sites, here's a message 4 U-


STOP BEING A FUCKING JACKASS!

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Reply #227 posted 06/05/08 11:02am

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It's funny because Radiohead is everything Prince used to be. They're still critics darlings with their studio work, not to mention trend setters, and they've embraced the internet in revolutionary ways like Prince once did.

Prince is so out of touch with music today, it's almost frightening. I'm all for protecting artists' rights so that it doesn't hamper their ability to make money from their music, but Prince has taken it too far. He's gone to this extreme to the point where his actions have come to appear laughably draconian to today's music audience.

It's a good thing The Kid still tears it up in live performances because that's about all he has going for him anymore.
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Reply #228 posted 06/05/08 11:14am

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BlaqueKnight said:

Anxiety said:

my guess is that typically, coachella would own the footage since it was from their festival.

i'm also guessing that as part of the terms of prince's appearance at the festival, he demanded full control of any recorded footage of his performance, thereby making footage from that part of the festival more or less his footage.

and i'd also wager that if we lived on bizarro world and prince were the kind of person who WOULD post his performance of the song and radiohead were anti-youtube, they could come in and say "we don't want our music on you tube" and if they got really nasty about it, then prince could only at best post a muted version of the clip?

all conjecture, mind you. shrug



Actually, if it was from a camera phone, the venue can't claim the copyright for the material. Its not theirs to claim. Copyrights belong to the AUTHOR. Whoever shot the footage owns it. They are not allowed to make money off of it without Prince signing a release form but the venue, Prince nor anyone else has legal rights over the video footage. If that were possible, magazines like the Star and the Inquirer would be out of business because celebrities would claim ownership of all of those bad photos just because they are in them. It doesn't work that way.
Sure, he owns the performance, but the video footage of the performance is NOT his since he didn't film it. Photography and videography is just as valid of an art as any other form is and you can't claim the work of a videographer without a "work for hire" copyright claim. Whoever shot it, owns it and has the right to say if it goes up or not.
Here's something fun to do; Somebody post the VIDEO from the performance with Radiohead's audio under it. giggle There's a quandry for Prince's ass. lol

[Edited 6/5/08 8:57am]


Prince would probably sue people for looking at him with their eyes, let alone cameras, if he had enough cash on hand to fund the legal battle.
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Reply #229 posted 06/05/08 11:15am

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wonder505 said:

babynoz said:



If I was him I would be like this ---> eek extremists are scary.


You know what...you're right. eek


If Prince wanted to see an extremist, he only needs to look in the mirror.
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Reply #230 posted 06/05/08 11:44am

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SoulAlive said:

This is insane.I swear,Prince really needs to LOOSEN UP! He's going around,acting like an old,bitter,out-of-touch grandfather.YouTube is the future of the Internet,he needs to embrace it.



AGREED!

Nobody cares anymore...Princes version sounded like shite anyway~~ cool
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Reply #231 posted 06/05/08 11:58am

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wonder505 said:



You know what...you're right. eek


If Prince wanted to see an extremist, he only needs to look in the mirror.


lol that's true too. Prince, the fans who think everything he does is right, and haters who can't bring themselves to walk away. How lovely. lol
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Reply #232 posted 06/05/08 12:13pm

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I have to wonder this, if his version of "Creep" is so bad, as a lot of people here believe it is, then why do we care if it's seen on youtube or not? I mean if it sucks and it's out there like on youtube, we'll complain. If it's not out there at all and it's sucks or is even great, we'll complain. When will we be satisfied? I want change too but if change happens on Prince's end, will we change our attitudes with it or will it be business as usual? I hope what I asked made some kind of sense.
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Reply #233 posted 06/05/08 12:16pm

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I have to wonder this, if his version of "Creep" is so bad, as a lot of people here believe it is, then why do we care if it's seen on youtube or not? I mean if it sucks and it's out there like on youtube, we'll complain. If it's not out there at all and it's sucks or is even great, we'll complain. When will we be satisfied? I want change too but if change happens on Prince's end, will we change our attitudes with it or will it be business as usual? I hope what I asked made some kind of sense.


Some Prince fans will never be satisfied. Thats a fact.

I don't think people thinking the performance being bad is the issue. It's the blocking of the video, whether the performance is bad or good.
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Reply #234 posted 06/05/08 12:23pm

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OMG falloff


The comments by folks about Prince on the youtube vids falloff falloff falloff falloff



oh lawd, all the critical acclaim of 2004/2005 has gone right out the door this year disbelief
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Reply #235 posted 06/05/08 12:26pm

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wonder505 said:

purplecam said:

I have to wonder this, if his version of "Creep" is so bad, as a lot of people here believe it is, then why do we care if it's seen on youtube or not? I mean if it sucks and it's out there like on youtube, we'll complain. If it's not out there at all and it's sucks or is even great, we'll complain. When will we be satisfied? I want change too but if change happens on Prince's end, will we change our attitudes with it or will it be business as usual? I hope what I asked made some kind of sense.


Some Prince fans will never be satisfied. Thats a fact.

I don't think people thinking the performance being bad is the issue. It's the blocking of the video, whether the performance is bad or good.
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Yes it is, it's just that I wonder if Prince is screwed any which way, blocking videos on youtube or not. It should be simple to just let them be shown but does the man know something we don't? The more I think about this issue, the more it puzzles me. confuse
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Reply #236 posted 06/05/08 1:36pm

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Imago said:

OMG falloff


The comments by folks about Prince on the youtube vids falloff falloff falloff falloff



oh lawd, all the critical acclaim of 2004/2005 has gone right out the door this year disbelief


That's only true in the context of the internet community. He's not exactly being booed off stage at live performances. No one else cares.
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Reply #237 posted 06/05/08 1:39pm

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Well, the video is again on YouTube. so there, Prince. ya fool.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #238 posted 06/05/08 1:39pm

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PurpleKnight said:

It's funny because Radiohead is everything Prince used to be. They're still critics darlings with their studio work, not to mention trend setters, and they've embraced the internet in revolutionary ways like Prince once did.

Prince is so out of touch with music today, it's almost frightening. I'm all for protecting artists' rights so that it doesn't hamper their ability to make money from their music, but Prince has taken it too far. He's gone to this extreme to the point where his actions have come to appear laughably draconian to today's music audience.

It's a good thing The Kid still tears it up in live performances because that's about all he has going for him anymore.


Ya man, totally.
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Reply #239 posted 06/05/08 1:42pm

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PurpleKnight said:

Imago said:

OMG falloff


The comments by folks about Prince on the youtube vids falloff falloff falloff falloff



oh lawd, all the critical acclaim of 2004/2005 has gone right out the door this year disbelief


That's only true in the context of the internet community. He's not exactly being booed off stage at live performances. No one else cares.

That's true. nod
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