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Reply #120 posted 05/30/08 5:14pm

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radiohead should start covering prince songs during their shows and then post footage of it all over the place. biggrin


Good plan! clapping
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Reply #121 posted 05/30/08 5:15pm

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viewaskew said:

Anxiety said:

radiohead should start covering prince songs during their shows and then post footage of it all over the place. biggrin


Good plan! clapping

Would truly be the best response lol I agree with Sammij, THIS. NEEDS. TO. HAPPEN! clapping
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Reply #122 posted 05/30/08 5:16pm

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viewaskew said:

KidaDynamite said:



Exactly my thoughts. nod


Well, then you're both off your rockers.


By the looks of it you ain't too right either.
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Reply #123 posted 05/30/08 5:19pm

Anxiety

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viewaskew said:



Well, then you're both off your rockers.


By the looks of it you ain't too right either.


look. we're all posting on the org so i wouldn't plan on any stone casting tournaments anytime soon. wacky
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Reply #124 posted 05/30/08 5:21pm

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Anxiety said:

KidaDynamite said:



By the looks of it you ain't too right either.


look. we're all posting on the org so i wouldn't plan on any stone casting tournaments anytime soon. wacky

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Reply #125 posted 05/30/08 5:21pm

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Anxiety said:

KidaDynamite said:



By the looks of it you ain't too right either.


look. we're all posting on the org so i wouldn't plan on any stone casting tournaments anytime soon. wacky


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Reply #126 posted 05/30/08 5:22pm

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Anxiety said:



look. we're all posting on the org so i wouldn't plan on any stone casting tournaments anytime soon. wacky


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Reply #127 posted 05/30/08 5:24pm

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so...could marvel post your art on their official sites without your permission, or would you have the ability to make them take it down?

could radiohead post a clip of prince performing "creep" on their official site without complying to a cease and desist from prince's people?


Exactly... as I would be the author Marvel... could not simply take something I created..even if they owned the copyrights the subject and use it as they wished. I would maintain rights of authorship.

The only way they could do as they wished is if I submitted a work to them and they state that they will use the work any way they choose and via my submission I accept that term.

And the answer would be no. They couldn't do it. Prince still maintains rights to the performance (right of authorship).

But in both cases the copyright owner could prevent distribution of their property. The exception, however, in music which I didn't touch on is that part of the licensing which allows people to perform covers in the first place at concerts and such...usually supersedes most rights that the songs copyright holder has... and places them in the hands of the performer OR the location where the performance was done. The copyright owner gets his royalties of course.
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Reply #128 posted 05/30/08 5:25pm

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I totally agree that it is Radioheads song,they should be able to 'unblock' it if they choose too.

LoL..Prince seems to want to do everything opposite. in the beginning he(Prince) was digital...now that so many are...he's NOT. That's the only part of sense I can make of it. But why..?..2 be different or...?????
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Reply #129 posted 05/30/08 5:29pm

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Anxiety said:

KidaDynamite said:



I'm crazysexycool! whistling



cool


totally


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Reply #130 posted 05/30/08 5:35pm

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I totally agree that it is Radioheads song,they should be able to 'unblock' it if they choose too.

LoL..Prince seems to want to do everything opposite. in the beginning he(Prince) was digital...now that so many are...he's NOT. That's the only part of sense I can make of it. But why..?..2 be different or...?????
peace

lol U know its all soo funking crazy..you'd think its about the music and they could come 2 some agreement...lol lol
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Reply #131 posted 05/30/08 5:44pm

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Like I was just saying in the chat room to Tamera1:

radiohead: It's OUR song man we wrote it.

Prince: It may be your song but thats pics of me sanging it.

Radiohead: buddy it's our song put it back up.

Prince: it's my likeness I'm taking it down

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Reply #132 posted 05/30/08 5:47pm

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Someone posted a link here of a radio Interview (over the telephone) of Thom Yorke responding to this the day after it went down.

He said something about being honored by this. He also said something self deprecating about returning the favor, but probably not being able to do any of his songs justice (don’t believe it for a second).

I disagree with Prince's digital stance in many ways, but I'm sure that his legal argument is about controlling his image, his performance, his audio.

But despite him being a total miss in my opinion on this issue, "Creep" is one of my favorite live musical moments ever, from any artist.

He did what the greatest do with covers, he made it entirely his own. He can't sing from my perspective or from Thom Yorke's teenage angst. But he can sing passionately about those things which bring him passion.

And artists should be able to that with anything, not just with songs that happen to jive with their current feelings. If that’s offensive to some, so be it. But every time you put something out in the ether you introduce this strong possibility.

Great cover songs to me manage to both honor the original creator and cast a totally new light on the matter.

If you want sound-alike covers, he released at least 2 of them on "Emancipation". While it’s amazing that one man can almost sound like The Stylistics and The Delfonics, I would much rather have a reason to listen to more than just the original.

And this and many other of Prince’s stances of the last 10 or 15 years no doubt separates him from some who fell in love with him partly because -- besides the incredible music -- his message/beliefs were more closely aligned to their own universe of cool.

Prince is a whole lot different than me in countless ways, but I want to hear someone else's view; something that is capable of moving them. I already know what my soul sounds like.

And everyone that doesn’t agree with me I don’t consider a complete asshole.

Now hum that to some public domain melody. wink

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Reply #133 posted 05/30/08 5:49pm

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Ifsixwuz9 said:

Orange123 said:



the videos were shot by fans=unauthorised

plus, if Prince is the performer

he can pull it off the net, if he wants to


lol


That's was my thinking too. Not seeing what the big deal is. People who like Radiohead can go find them doing a live version of the song.

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Reply #134 posted 05/30/08 5:50pm

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It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the next few years.
When Prince first started his war with Warner Bros. in particular and record companies in general, he was taking an unpopular stance and he was pretty much alone in his fight. He was eventually proven right about the changing way music was distributed and was one of the front runners of distributing his own music his way. Although he made mistakes along the way, he was definitely one of the early few who paved the way for artists to distribute their music directly to the fans without big corporations.
Now, he's battling for control of his image and it seems to be hurting him in the short run. But Prince is a long run type of guy. All the name calling and put downs didn't deter him through the whole symbol era, or basically thoughout his career, so it's doubtful it's gonna do much now. I guess being bussed to an all white school and being called some of the most horrible names in the book when you're a kid toughens up the skin a bit.
But it will be interesting to see, in the coming years, if he was right to put up such a fight for control of his image or all wrong.
Personally, I was hoping to see Prince's performance of Creep on the Coachella DVD since most of the clips I saw on Youtube and elsewhere were subpar at best. A clear, crisp view and sound of an awesome performance would be phenomenal.
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Reply #135 posted 05/30/08 6:08pm

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luv4u said:

Like I was just saying in the chat room to Tamera1:

radiohead: It's OUR song man we wrote it.

Prince: It may be your song but thats pics of me sanging it.

Radiohead: buddy it's our song put it back up.

Prince: it's my likeness I'm taking it down

lol

That sounds about right. lol

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Reply #136 posted 05/30/08 6:12pm

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I dont understand everyone making a large issue of this.

Many artists have covered Prince songs, without anyone owning the copyright. But had it played, not 'ceased'.

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Reply #137 posted 05/30/08 6:17pm

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SilverlakePhil said:

former Prince fan , Sam Conti Jr.



He's kinda hot, but whata a bunghole, lol



Take cover...The Fans r revolting..... again!! eek cool
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Reply #138 posted 05/30/08 6:43pm

babynoz

BigDaddyHQ said:

Anxiety said:



so...could marvel post your art on their official sites without your permission, or would you have the ability to make them take it down?

could radiohead post a clip of prince performing "creep" on their official site without complying to a cease and desist from prince's people?


Exactly... as I would be the author Marvel... could not simply take something I created..even if they owned the copyrights the subject and use it as they wished. I would maintain rights of authorship.

The only way they could do as they wished is if I submitted a work to them and they state that they will use the work any way they choose and via my submission I accept that term.

And the answer would be no. They couldn't do it. Prince still maintains rights to the performance (right of authorship).

But in both cases the copyright owner could prevent distribution of their property. The exception, however, in music which I didn't touch on is that part of the licensing which allows people to perform covers in the first place at concerts and such...usually supersedes most rights that the songs copyright holder has... and places them in the hands of the performer OR the location where the performance was done. The copyright owner gets his royalties of course.


This is all well and good but I have to agree with Riverpoet, (there's a first) lol

More and more I'm appreciating those artists who can deliver great AND hassle free entertainment experiences. Maybe I'm just getting old but I'm less inclined these days to patronize an artist if I feel I have to have a law degree or carry a miranda card around with me just to do so.

Legal standing aside, it's a bit of a turnoff for those of us hoping to hear news of fresh music or, (gasp!), a tour maybe?

It gets to the point where it ain't worth the bother.
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Reply #139 posted 05/30/08 6:57pm

Anxiety

babynoz said:

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Exactly... as I would be the author Marvel... could not simply take something I created..even if they owned the copyrights the subject and use it as they wished. I would maintain rights of authorship.

The only way they could do as they wished is if I submitted a work to them and they state that they will use the work any way they choose and via my submission I accept that term.

And the answer would be no. They couldn't do it. Prince still maintains rights to the performance (right of authorship).

But in both cases the copyright owner could prevent distribution of their property. The exception, however, in music which I didn't touch on is that part of the licensing which allows people to perform covers in the first place at concerts and such...usually supersedes most rights that the songs copyright holder has... and places them in the hands of the performer OR the location where the performance was done. The copyright owner gets his royalties of course.


This is all well and good but I have to agree with Riverpoet, (there's a first) lol

More and more I'm appreciating those artists who can deliver great AND hassle free entertainment experiences. Maybe I'm just getting old but I'm less inclined these days to patronize an artist if I feel I have to have a law degree or carry a miranda card around with me just to do so.

Legal standing aside, it's a bit of a turnoff for those of us hoping to hear news of fresh music or, (gasp!), a tour maybe?

It gets to the point where it ain't worth the bother.


i'm not sure if BigDaddyHQ was saying that what prince is doing is "right" (morally, asthetically, logically, etc.), but i think what he's trying to get at is that what prince is doing is perfectly legal and permissible, whether we like it or not.

i agree about the no/low hassle approach to making art. look at shakespeare. you can't get more public domain than him, and he still seems to be doing okay for himself, hundreds of years after he croaked!
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Reply #140 posted 05/30/08 7:02pm

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i'm not sure if BigDaddyHQ was saying that what prince is doing is "right" (morally, asthetically, logically, etc.), but i think what he's trying to get at is that what prince is doing is perfectly legal and permissible, whether we like it or not.

i agree about the no/low hassle approach to making art. look at shakespeare. you can't get more public domain than him, and he still seems to be doing okay for himself, hundreds of years after he croaked!


yep yep

Just because he has rights... doesn't make him right. It is very frustrating to have to wade through legal hassles just to enjoy the muzik.
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Reply #141 posted 05/30/08 7:02pm

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Every year he fucks up BIG-TIME with 3 or 4 INSANE decisions -- Yet he still has supporters that choose not to see him for the clueless egoist he seems to be.
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Reply #142 posted 05/30/08 7:04pm

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No, the issue is about claiming a copyright violation - which is what he did.

Prince can not claim copyright over a song that was not writen by him simply because he performed it and someone recorded it.

Radiohead should threaten to sue him for playing and recording (since he also recorded it) their song - which he did not have permission to do.

The rules that he is so anal about should apply to him as well.


Well if he said he claims copyright over the music and lyrics that's one thing but if the footage was pulled because it was live footage of Prince recorded illegally and posted on the net then I think that somethng entirely different.

Like Anx said either Coachella owns the footage or P bought his perfornce, or had it written in the appearance contract that his footage would be owned by him. If it's any of these instances Radiohead has no say in the matter.


There are 2 copyright owners as far as I can see and neither of them are Prince.
1 - The individual who shot the footage, owns their film.
2 - Radiohead owns the song.

You can't copyright a public performance, it doesn't even make sense.
It would be different if the footage being posted on youtube was commissioned by Prince ie. it was shot by his film crew which he paid for. Prince would own that footage and people would need his permission before distributing it.
Filming at the concert may have been prohibited, but that doesn't mean that the performing artist has rights over someone elses footage out of the clear blue sky! (unless they wrote the song wink )
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Reply #143 posted 05/30/08 7:19pm

babynoz

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Anxiety said:


i'm not sure if BigDaddyHQ was saying that what prince is doing is "right" (morally, asthetically, logically, etc.), but i think what he's trying to get at is that what prince is doing is perfectly legal and permissible, whether we like it or not.

i agree about the no/low hassle approach to making art. look at shakespeare. you can't get more public domain than him, and he still seems to be doing okay for himself, hundreds of years after he croaked!


yep yep

Just because he has rights... doesn't make him right. It is very frustrating to have to wade through legal hassles just to enjoy the muzik.



I get exactly what you were saying my Saggitarian friend, and I see that you get what I'm saying too...enough already with the legalities.
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Reply #144 posted 05/30/08 7:23pm

babynoz

Anxiety said:

babynoz said:



This is all well and good but I have to agree with Riverpoet, (there's a first) lol

More and more I'm appreciating those artists who can deliver great AND hassle free entertainment experiences. Maybe I'm just getting old but I'm less inclined these days to patronize an artist if I feel I have to have a law degree or carry a miranda card around with me just to do so.

Legal standing aside, it's a bit of a turnoff for those of us hoping to hear news of fresh music or, (gasp!), a tour maybe?

It gets to the point where it ain't worth the bother.


i'm not sure if BigDaddyHQ was saying that what prince is doing is "right" (morally, asthetically, logically, etc.), but i think what he's trying to get at is that what prince is doing is perfectly legal and permissible, whether we like it or not.

i agree about the no/low hassle approach to making art. look at shakespeare. you can't get more public domain than him, and he still seems to be doing okay for himself, hundreds of years after he croaked!


I understand perfectly sugar, It's just that I'm not willing to put an attorney on retainer just to enjoy some music. lol
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Reply #145 posted 05/30/08 7:45pm

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babynoz said:

Anxiety said:



i'm not sure if BigDaddyHQ was saying that what prince is doing is "right" (morally, asthetically, logically, etc.), but i think what he's trying to get at is that what prince is doing is perfectly legal and permissible, whether we like it or not.

i agree about the no/low hassle approach to making art. look at shakespeare. you can't get more public domain than him, and he still seems to be doing okay for himself, hundreds of years after he croaked!


I understand perfectly sugar, It's just that I'm not willing to put an attorney on retainer just to enjoy some music. lol


oh, i agree. i think a lot of people in this thread think prince has no LEGAL right to do what he's doing, and the "inconvenient truth" that's being offered is that he has every right to be as much of a schmuck as he wants in this case.

oh well.

i listen to "in rainbows" all the time.

i've listened to "planet earth" maybe 3 or 4 times all the way through.

i don't know what this has to do with anything, but nana prince!
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Reply #146 posted 05/30/08 7:49pm

Orange123

I'd love to be his lawyer, he wouldnt have to pay me,

I'd just say

Hey

So what?

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Reply #147 posted 05/30/08 7:51pm

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Anxiety said:

babynoz said:



I understand perfectly sugar, It's just that I'm not willing to put an attorney on retainer just to enjoy some music. lol


oh, i agree. i think a lot of people in this thread think prince has no LEGAL right to do what he's doing, and the "inconvenient truth" that's being offered is that he has every right to be as much of a schmuck as he wants in this case.

oh well.

i listen to "in rainbows" all the time.

i've listened to "planet earth" maybe 3 or 4 times all the way through.

i don't know what this has to do with anything, but nana prince!

same, only i've never listened to Planet Earth once all the way through...
shrug it just kinda sits there, it's a nice coaster... all shiny n shit nod
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Reply #148 posted 05/30/08 7:53pm

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Orange123 said:

I'd love to be his lawyer, he wouldnt have to pay me,

I'd just say

Hey

So what?

lol

man he'd kill you lol
c.o.d. would be a cuban boot heel puncture wound to the jugular.lol
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Reply #149 posted 05/30/08 7:57pm

babynoz

sammij said:

Anxiety said:



oh, i agree. i think a lot of people in this thread think prince has no LEGAL right to do what he's doing, and the "inconvenient truth" that's being offered is that he has every right to be as much of a schmuck as he wants in this case.

oh well.

i listen to "in rainbows" all the time.

i've listened to "planet earth" maybe 3 or 4 times all the way through.

i don't know what this has to do with anything, but nana prince!

same, only i've never listened to Planet Earth once all the way through...
shrug it just kinda sits there, it's a nice coaster... all shiny n shit nod


Ah, yes...we did get Planet Earth didn't we, falloff
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