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Reply #60 posted 05/30/08 9:39am

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Anxiety said:

my guess is that typically, coachella would own the footage since it was from their festival.

i'm also guessing that as part of the terms of prince's appearance at the festival, he demanded full control of any recorded footage of his performance, thereby making footage from that part of the festival more or less his footage.

and i'd also wager that if we lived on bizarro world and prince were the kind of person who WOULD post his performance of the song and radiohead were anti-youtube, they could come in and say "we don't want our music on you tube" and if they got really nasty about it, then prince could only at best post a muted version of the clip?

all conjecture, mind you. shrug


Good points just the same though.
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Reply #61 posted 05/30/08 9:40am

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Anji said:

viewaskew said:

I love this band! Fuck Prince. Fuck Prince up his stupid asshole.

Free the music, indeed.


Untwisted knickers, indeed.

You got that right.
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Reply #62 posted 05/30/08 9:41am

Anxiety

purplecam said:

Anji said:



Untwisted knickers, indeed.

You got that right.


ok, you guys are right.

people cussing on the interwebs - who ever heard of such a thing? lol
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Reply #63 posted 05/30/08 9:45am

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Anxiety said:

purplecam said:


You got that right.


ok, you guys are right.

people cussing on the interwebs - who ever heard of such a thing? lol

it's not that but I'm not going to take this thread off topic.
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Reply #64 posted 05/30/08 10:07am

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muirdo said:

I hope Thom Yorke never hears this tragic cover version smile



that 2 ..nod
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #65 posted 05/30/08 10:12am

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purplecam said:

sexxydancer said:

Prince shouldn't do coverz anywayz. neutral

This might stop him from doing them now. I know I won't miss them.


wouldn't that b the same if he did a cover version of a :prince: tune? eek
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #66 posted 05/30/08 10:27am

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He really changed the song, didn't he?

Sounds like the lyrics are completeley different. And the chords move twice as fast.
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Reply #67 posted 05/30/08 10:34am

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Ifsixwuz9 said:



The issue is not about the song, it's about his live performance of the song recorded illegally and then posted on the net.


No, the issue is about claiming a copyright violation - which is what he did.

Prince can not claim copyright over a song that was not writen by him simply because he performed it and someone recorded it.

Radiohead should threaten to sue him for playing and recording (since he also recorded it) their song - which he did not have permission to do.

The rules that he is so anal about should apply to him as well.


JustErin its so nice to read someones post where you know what you are talking about smile You're exactly right here, I used to work in music copyright. Its not the fact that he as the 'performer' can take it down, the decision really would lie with Radiohead if fought out in a legal courtroom. The only reason You Tube take anything to do with Prince down is because they are scared of the legal action or just can't be bothered with going through legal action with him so just take the easy route and take down any Prince connections.

I love Prince's music, but he does get a bit carried away with himself at times! He is a very clever guy though, so hes doing this so more fans buy the DVD, we'll wait and see whether it'll pay off. I think lots will buy the DVD still and it'll go to number 1 etc... but it does make him look stuck in the past even if it is a good money move. I've been to some music conferences recently where they chat over the future of music with file sharing etc... and it is frustrating that the companies pay money for bands to record and then people steal it online, but then it was pointed out that people have bootlegged for years and there is always those who still pay. I just think it would be best for Prince to go back to adapting more to the digital age, after all he was one of the first to do so. He has got his reasons though and as I said hes a clever fellow so its always interesting to see what he does next with his career... but come off it the Honey Collective with girls who have to be practically virgins... hmmm... not good.

Also hopefully as others have said if he falls out with Radiohead over this it might stop him doing as many covers which is a good thing. His stuff alone is great.
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Reply #68 posted 05/30/08 10:37am

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JustErin said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:





Prince can not claim copyright over a song that was not writen by him simply because he performed it and someone recorded it.

Radiohead should threaten to sue him for playing and recording (since he also recorded it) their song - which he did not have permission to do.



You cannot sue someone for covering your song live or recording it, and I am quite sure if Prince were to put the performance up anywhere or in a DVD, Radiohead would be compensated and permissions would have been granted (or denied) before official release.


You can sue them if they didn't seek permission. Rolling Stones and The Verve, Bowie and Vanilla Ice...
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Reply #69 posted 05/30/08 10:40am

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I don't think this has anything to do with the song, but more to do with the actual physical performance. I think he doesn't want to be seen by anyone outside of performance dates and times. It's just another image control thing, and very little to do with the silly song. confused

Sounds like to me that Radiohead has got their fair share of arrogance too...thinking that Prince is trying to "lay claim" to their song...lololol!
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Reply #70 posted 05/30/08 10:45am

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In this period of rapid movement of information, media and art, the arguments raised by Prince are absolutely relevent. Laws governing copyright etc are antiquated and overdue for revision.

Unfortunately, in Prince's case, the subject has affected him as an artist.

IMHO, issues...the music business treatment of artists and copyright issues...have adversely affected Prince's art/music. That's, for me is the saddest thing.

His points are valid, but he presses his points in ways that are hypocritical and down right ass-y.

As the song says...."It all comes out in the wash, in time." In this case a long, drawn out time.

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Reply #71 posted 05/30/08 10:55am

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eek Bottom line no one can control Prince not even through this message board.

If he does not want to air the footage of his part of the Coachella concert on Youtube. He has every right not to. He probably signed an agreement with Coachella about rights to his performance.. Lawd wake up folks!
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Reply #72 posted 05/30/08 10:56am

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It needed to be said eek He should leave other folks stuff alone-they respect his wishes-he should do the same.
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Reply #73 posted 05/30/08 11:09am

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Anxiety said:

Radiohead to Prince: Unblock 'Creep' cover videos
By JAKE COYLE, AP Entertainment Writer


After word spread that Prince covered Radiohead's "Creep" at Coachella, the tens of thousands who couldn't be there ran to YouTube for a peek. Everyone was quickly denied - even Radiohead.

All videos of Prince's unique rendition of Radiohead's early hit were quickly taken down, leaving only a message that his label, NPG Records, had removed the clips, claiming a copyright violation. But the posted videos were shot by fans and, obviously, the song isn't Prince's.

In a recent interview, Thom Yorke said he heard about Prince's performance from a text message and thought it was "hilarious." Yorke laughed when his bandmate, guitarist Ed O'Brien, said the blocking had prevented him from seeing Prince's version of their song.

"Really? He's blocked it?" asked Yorke, who figured it was their song to block or not. "Surely we should block it. Hang on a moment."

Yorke added: "Well, tell him to unblock it. It's our ... song."

YouTube prohibits the posting of copyrighted material. If the site receives a complaint from a copyright owner, it will in most cases remove the video(s). Whether the same could be done for a company not holding a copyright is less clear, but Yorke's argument would seem to bear some credence according to YouTube's policies. YouTube, which is owned by Google, declined to comment.

Prince also did not immediately respond to a request for comment Thursday.

The dispute was an interesting twist in debates over digital ownership, held between two major acts with differing views on music and the Internet. Radiohead famously released their most recent album, "In Rainbows," as a digital download with optional pricing. They also have a channel on YouTube.

When Prince performed at the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival in Indio, Calif., on April 26, he prohibited the standard arrangement of allowing photographers to shoot near the stage during the first three songs of his set. Instead, he had a camera crew filming his performance.

Prince, who founded NPG Records in 1993, has been innovative when it comes to music distribution, too. He released his 1997 album, "Crystal Ball," on the Internet and in 2006 was awarded a lifetime achievement award by the Webbys. In 2007, he gave away copies of his disc "Planet Earth" in a British Sunday newspaper.

But the Purple One has also shut down his official Web site and in September of last year said he would sue YouTube and eBay for not filtering unauthorized content.

Prince fans have organized to urge him to relent in his legal fights to control images and photographs of himself. As of Thursday, the most popular YouTube clip about Prince playing "Creep" is an expletive-laden rant from Sam Conti Jr., who describes himself as a "former Prince fan."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...ead_prince


hmm yes not princeĀ“s song... But did they like the cover???
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Reply #74 posted 05/30/08 11:12am

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viewaskew said:

I love this band! Fuck Prince. Fuck Prince up his stupid asshole.

Free the music, indeed.



hmmm fuck prince?????
i still have respect for my master.....
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Reply #75 posted 05/30/08 11:12am

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I don't think it matters if he holds the rights to the song. It's copyrighted by someone, and if YouTube isn't supposed to broadcast copyrighted material, Prince could just be the whistleblower.

I doubt it's because Google is scared of Prince's lawyers. They're scared of breaking millions of copyright laws (which they do) every day, and if something is pointed out, they happily oblige to remove it while someone else uploads it under a different name. I just watched the performance for the first time ten minutes ago!
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Reply #76 posted 05/30/08 11:25am

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I don't see what the big deal is.

It's not like Thom is attacking Prince. He's just saying he wants people to be able to see and hear the song. My guess is he's heard it and he wants other people to hear it.

People really need to stop blowing every little thing out of proportion!!!
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Reply #77 posted 05/30/08 11:52am

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My respect for this twat was dwinlding by a string now I think its by a mircofiber neutral
Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song wall
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Reply #78 posted 05/30/08 11:55am

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purplecam said:

Anxiety said:



ok, you guys are right.

people cussing on the interwebs - who ever heard of such a thing? lol

it's not that but I'm not going to take this thread off topic.

you might as well,
after all, this isn't a big deal to be prince news, right?
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Reply #79 posted 05/30/08 11:56am

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purplecam said:


it's not that but I'm not going to take this thread off topic.

you might as well,
after all, this isn't a big deal to be prince news, right?


He's gonna have to get with the times.....
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Reply #80 posted 05/30/08 11:59am

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eireboy34 said:

sammij said:


you might as well,
after all, this isn't a big deal to be prince news, right?


He's gonna have to get with the times.....

lol i'm just sayin
some say it's no big deal and not to get all excited about it, but they show the same amount of passion in hating on the others who are just as passionate about the subject in question lol

and no i'm not singling anyone out it's just that saying that you're not going to throw the thread off topic shows that you actually value, to some degree, the topic in discussion - in which case, it is some big deal of sorts.


it's the internet, welcome.

shrug

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Reply #81 posted 05/30/08 12:00pm

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AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME! biggrin clapping worship

Has Prince commented on this yet? lol
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Reply #82 posted 05/30/08 12:03pm

Cinnie

It's still his "performance". I don't see how the control is beyond his grasp based on copyright.
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Reply #83 posted 05/30/08 12:07pm

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Cinnie said:

It's still his "performance". I don't see how the control is beyond his grasp based on copyright.


yeah, you're not allowed to bring camers into a performance, so the cameraphone clip is not legal--and yes I watched it!
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Reply #84 posted 05/30/08 12:07pm

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sammij said:

eireboy34 said:



He's gonna have to get with the times.....

lol i'm just sayin
some say it's no big deal and not to get all excited about it, but they show the same amount of passion in hating on the others who are just as passionate about the subject in question lol

and no i'm not singling anyone out it's just that saying that you're not going to throw the thread off topic shows that you actually value, to some degree, the topic in discussion - in which case, it is some big deal of sorts.


it's the internet, welcome.

shrug


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The reason why I stopped myself from saying what I was going to say was that I was about to attack someone for saying something I didn't agree with which would have had nothing to do with the thread. It would have become a personal thing and I respect this issue enough to hold back my thoughts. Just as one is free to say what they want, I'm free NOT to say what I want too. I've seen too many orgers turn good threads into vicious personal attack threads and destroying great threads in the process and I wasn't going to do that with this one. This issue is too important to turn it around for something petty.
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Reply #85 posted 05/30/08 12:09pm

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pplrain said:

eek Bottom line no one can control Prince not even through this message board.

If he does not want to air the footage of his part of the Coachella concert on Youtube. He has every right not to. He probably signed an agreement with Coachella about rights to his performance.. Lawd wake up folks!

Earth to you....

IT'S NOT HIS SONG!

I wish they would Sue his ass lol
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Reply #86 posted 05/30/08 12:10pm

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toots said:

My respect for this twat was dwinlding by a string now I think its by a mircofiber neutral


Far as I'm concerned the string is blodied and sticking out of someone's cunt. Probably Prince's lol

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Reply #87 posted 05/30/08 12:10pm

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SilverlakePhil said:

former Prince fan , Sam Conti Jr.



He's kinda hot, but whata a bunghole, lol


WTF was that.... I couldn't get past a few seconds that voice was annoying. confused disbelief
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Reply #88 posted 05/30/08 12:12pm

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Obsidian said:

I don't think this has anything to do with the song, but more to do with the actual physical performance. I think he doesn't want to be seen by anyone outside of performance dates and times. It's just another image control thing, and very little to do with the silly song. confused

Sounds like to me that Radiohead has got their fair share of arrogance too...thinking that Prince is trying to "lay claim" to their song...lololol!


Exactly my thoughts. nod
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Reply #89 posted 05/30/08 12:15pm

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KidaDynamite said:

Obsidian said:

I don't think this has anything to do with the song, but more to do with the actual physical performance. I think he doesn't want to be seen by anyone outside of performance dates and times. It's just another image control thing, and very little to do with the silly song. confused

Sounds like to me that Radiohead has got their fair share of arrogance too...thinking that Prince is trying to "lay claim" to their song...lololol!


Exactly my thoughts. nod

confused Isn't it time for your break! wink
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