2elijah said: chocolate1 said: I would listen to him, because I am interested to hear what HE believes, not what WE think he believes.
I was in the Dr.'s office a little after Christmas and someone had placed Watchtowers in the magazine rack. The one in front said, "Can we really trust the Bible?" so I picked it up and started reading it. A woman began to chat me up about it...(she had been the one who slipped them in the racks) By the time the doctor called her in, our discussion had gotten heated. My final words to her were, "I am an educator. I am always interested in learning something new. I seek KNOWLEDGE not CONVERSION. Thank you." My point is, I would offer Prince the same respect- the chance to drop some knowledge on me, nothing more. I'm not interested in converting, but I'd let him tell me from his perspective why I should. Then I'd tell him why I'm not interested. If he can't respect that, then we will have a problem, no matter WHO he is. Interesting. I was once a JW, but I don't like "restrictions" placed on my life when it comes to "my beliefs" and for me, being a JW in my opinion only, just had too many restrictions that would have prevented me from being me, and I have to be me in all sense of the term. I don't mean restrictions in the sense of not following societal laws, so to speak, but being a JW made me feel like my beliefs and who I am feel "imprisoned". I would respect anyone's choice of their religion even if I don't agree with them. I would be willing to listen, maybe learn a few things, compare, ask questions, disagree and exchange opinions for the sake of the conversation, but that's about it. I do believe in God, but for me personally, I just don't like my life dictated by some organized religion, it's bad enough I don't trust people too much , but I believe God exists and I'm more spiritual than religious. [Edited 5/22/08 17:18pm] I totally agree. I just don't like when the conversation turns to "U should do this and that" instead of equal sharing of views. That's the part that I'm not interested in. "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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nurseV said: Riverpoet31 said: I am curious in peoples religious believes and ideas about spirituality, so i might listen to him.
But the moment he would try to 'preach' to me, and say i should follow his believes, otherwise i would be lost, i would leave him. People say he gets "preachy" in concert Anybody know if that's true? I saw him many times at the 02, He would say things like read your bible or love god, some people would call that preaching but I would'nt. My christian friends preach to me and keep telling me to go church and i don't appreciate it. I don't follow any religeon but respect other peoples beliefs. I would be iterested to hear what prince has to say, as long as he did'nt preach. | |
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I would listen and open my heart to anything he would say.
Btw I wonder why most posts are focusing on his religious beliefs, I assume he has other beliefs than religious ones alone. | |
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Nah, I don't think I'd listen.
I think Í'd just tell him to grab his guitar and play a couple of tunes. Or tell a few jokes. I like his sense of humor. "LOVE YOURSELF AS ALL PEOPLE" | |
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Yes, I would be really interested in what he had to say, I'd then make up my own mind of course, but I would love to know what he really believes and what goes on in his head.... | |
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G0d said: Nah, I don't think I'd listen.
I think Í'd just tell him to grab his guitar and play a couple of tunes. Or tell a few jokes. I like his sense of humor. 'Ey, G0d, while we're on the subject, do you believe in yourself, or are you an atheist? | |
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He Doesnt Have 'Beliefs'
He Has Self-Preserving Modus Operandi. | |
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2elijah said: chocolate1 said: I would listen to him, because I am interested to hear what HE believes, not what WE think he believes.
I was in the Dr.'s office a little after Christmas and someone had placed Watchtowers in the magazine rack. The one in front said, "Can we really trust the Bible?" so I picked it up and started reading it. A woman began to chat me up about it...(she had been the one who slipped them in the racks) By the time the doctor called her in, our discussion had gotten heated. My final words to her were, "I am an educator. I am always interested in learning something new. I seek KNOWLEDGE not CONVERSION. Thank you." My point is, I would offer Prince the same respect- the chance to drop some knowledge on me, nothing more. I'm not interested in converting, but I'd let him tell me from his perspective why I should. Then I'd tell him why I'm not interested. If he can't respect that, then we will have a problem, no matter WHO he is. Interesting. I was once a JW, but I don't like "restrictions" placed on my life when it comes to "my beliefs" and for me, being a JW in my opinion only, just had too many restrictions that would have prevented me from being me, and I have to be me in all sense of the term. I don't mean restrictions in the sense of not following societal laws, so to speak, but being a JW made me feel like my beliefs and who I am feel "imprisoned". I would respect anyone's choice of their religion even if I don't agree with them. I would be willing to listen, maybe learn a few things, compare, ask questions, disagree and exchange opinions for the sake of the conversation, but that's about it. I do believe in God, but for me personally, I just don't like my life dictated by some organized religion, it's bad enough I don't trust people too much , but I believe God exists and I'm more spiritual than religious. [Edited 5/22/08 17:18pm] Sure I would listen and be interested in what Prince had to say if he was motivated to talk about it to me would be great. Otherwise I dont know too much about JW but I recall reading they were founded by some American guy I think around 1920's , I think he was some type of reformist who had some alternative views on interpretation of the Bible. Personally I am not so strict in adhereing to a certain organised religiouse politic Im basically Christian and ultimatly believe in GOD otherwise I dont get into politics of organised religions too much. | |
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I would listen to it because im respectful of other peoples faiths and beliefs then i'd share my own but i wouldnt let what he says about his belief's change me and what i think | |
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2IZ1 said: He Doesnt Have 'Beliefs'
He Has Self-Preserving Modus Operandi. What does He have to Self Preserve Himself from? Being moved to P&R, if we continue this discussion? | |
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There's no harm in learning about something new even if I don't agree with it. It's better to make an educated decision rather than to dismiss something out of ignorance. Shake it til ya make it | |
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TheMightyCelestial said: G0d said: Nah, I don't think I'd listen.
I think Í'd just tell him to grab his guitar and play a couple of tunes. Or tell a few jokes. I like his sense of humor. 'Ey, G0d, while we're on the subject, do you believe in yourself, or are you an atheist? "LOVE YOURSELF AS ALL PEOPLE" | |
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I would defenately listen to Prince. Me as a big christian wud be happy to hear his views about lifen and the world its self. Its change my life a lot from being a really bad person to now changing and enjoying life. Its something i wud recomend people to have a try listening to becus its change so many people.
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god 4bid! | |
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TheMightyCelestial said: 2IZ1 said: He Doesnt Have 'Beliefs'
He Has Self-Preserving Modus Operandi. What does He have to Self Preserve Himself from? Himself | |
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Of all the people I 'know' he seems to be the one who has best mastered the art of Self-Control [and by extension Self-Preservation].
But yes, I guess there's always room for improvement... 2IZ1 said: TheMightyCelestial said: What does He have to Self Preserve Himself from? Himself | |
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2IZ1 said: TheMightyCelestial said: What does He have to Self Preserve Himself from? Himself Well, as the saying goes, "God helps those who help themselves". | |
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I'd listen, ask questions and hopefully encourage two-way dialogue. | |
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No, i would not listen ... Prince was posting nude on an album cover (Rave) when i already knew about what he is into.. i dont believe in the JW religion (they dont believe everything in the Bible) and i learned about them since 1991... i do believe in Christianity (and i believe what the Bible says).. that's a whole other topic.. | |
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Flo6 said: Of all the people I 'know' he seems to be the one who has best mastered the art of Self-Control ...
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Why so surprised, and triply at that? ...
2IZ1 said: Flo6 said: Of all the people I 'know' he seems to be the one who has best mastered the art of Self-Control ...
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i would listen to what he had to say. although i couldn't be persuaded.
isn't one of their main beliefs about blood? that blood holds your life force and that is why they refuse blood donations? | |
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I wouldn't ask him about the JW thing. I would just ask him to speak to me about spirituality. THAT would be sexy and interesting, coming from him. | |
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I t is hard when he says one thing and does another. I mean take the turm me loose song for example. A sond basicly about a one night stand. I mean you have to back up what comes out of your mouth.He can be hypoctitical, and yet claoms to be agaist such things. The man is just to complex. | |
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nurseV said: Real talk-If Prince really tried to talk to you about his beliefs-maybe in a large forum or even one on one would you seriously listen and take it all in? I mean even if you didn't agree with them-would you be respectful or tell him where to get off? I think I would genuinely listen and try to learn something from it maybe I would actually go away with a different perspective on things What cha think?
I'm very interested in religion but P rarely comes across well when discussing such things. Not surprising as he's lived in his own little world for so many years and despite his age has not had a great deal of real life experience - it's difficult to talk with any wisdom without the relevant experience. P lives in a world of his own design where he doesnt' have to deal with anything he doesn't like - unfortunately it is dealilng with difficulties on a daily basis which makes you grow. It's for this reason that his lyrics when about anything other than love/sex are embarassing. Don't get me wrong - I don't think P is unintelligent, but there's little he could tell me about the world I live in. | |
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What you wrote makes sense - except that I don't agree with the idea that he doesn't have to deal with difficulties and things he doesn't like.
I have a feeling he had, and still has, to deal with a lot of s..t* to arrive where he is and maintain himself there. These are just difficulties of a different order [celebrity status, running a business, legal matters, etc.], which you probably have no idea of, just like he has no idea of what you are going through. It's just different kinds of lives, that's all. And as for 'real life' experience, I don't think what he is living is any less 'real' and therefore less 'valuable' than what you or anybody else on this planet is living through imo, it's just different. vivid said: nurseV said: Real talk-If Prince really tried to talk to you about his beliefs-maybe in a large forum or even one on one would you seriously listen and take it all in? I mean even if you didn't agree with them-would you be respectful or tell him where to get off? I think I would genuinely listen and try to learn something from it maybe I would actually go away with a different perspective on things What cha think?
I'm very interested in religion but P rarely comes across well when discussing such things. Not surprising as he's lived in his own little world for so many years and despite his age has not had a great deal of real life experience - it's difficult to talk with any wisdom without the relevant experience. P lives in a world of his own design where he doesnt' have to deal with anything he doesn't like - unfortunately it is dealilng with difficulties on a daily basis which makes you grow. It's for this reason that his lyrics when about anything other than love/sex are embarassing. Don't get me wrong - I don't think P is unintelligent, but there's little he could tell me about the world I live in. | |
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nurseV said: Real talk-If Prince really tried to talk to you about his beliefs-maybe in a large forum or even one on one would you seriously listen and take it all in? I mean even if you didn't agree with them-would you be respectful or tell him where to get off? I think I would genuinely listen and try to learn something from it maybe I would actually go away with a different perspective on things What cha think?
If it were a large forum, and I was there for another purpose, such as a concert, I would politely sit through the topic. If one on one, I'd appologize, and state, I'm not interested. I don't try to convert anyone to my beliefs, and don't want the imposition on myself. I would NEVER convert to a religion that goes against safe, known medical treatment. I would never decline a blood transfusion, if I needed one. There are other faiths that avoid medical care, to the detriment of members' health, and I wouldn't convert to those, either. In one case, 25 years ago, I took care of a Christian Scientist who travelled and hiked around the world. She developed a thrombus in her leg, and by the standards of her faith, didn't seek medical care. When she finally sought treatment from a doctor, she had to have her leg amputated. It was necrotic. The surgeon was very respectful, (it was a young guy), and didn't mention her delaying medical treatment, as the cause. [Edited 5/30/08 17:10pm] | |
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2elijah said: I do believe in God, but for me personally, I just don't like my life dictated by some organized religion, it's bad enough I don't trust people too much , but I believe God exists and I'm more spiritual than religious.
My thoughts exactly...this is me as well. https://www.youtube.com/@PurpleKnightsPodcast | |
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I'd listen to him...but he'd need to be ready for a lot of questions. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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