Why is everyone who is critical of those who are overly critical of Prince referred to as sheep? I got your sheep hanging. Dont think just because you continually rag on Prince output, no matter what the quality, that you are some fuckin individualistic rebel. Seems like the overly critical people are the sheep now days. It takes guts to admit that you like something.

Since I have made comments to the negative in regards to Uptown magazine,I would however like to say that I have much respect to PER NILSEN for his many efforts in researching Prince's life & music.

Suomynona,I have every issue of Uptown from #3 up to #30 which is several years worth of reading the magazine.So I feel that my comments are valid.

Prince Roger Nelson is a MAN complete with his own personal triumphs & failures.The fame that he has garnered in the past 20+ years of his career has only been surpassed by a few people.If people can come to this site and say that "everything released in the last 5,10 years has been crap",then it can also be said that Uptown magazine is not the gospel truth on Prince.It is only opinion and they have the right to voice that opinion just as I have the right to voice mine, and you to voice yours.

PEACE & NEW POWER !!!

rdhull said:

joeycoco said:

I hit a nerve

rdhull said:

those folks aren't sheep. sheep are people who get upset at every single criticism, and then go on the attack of those people, rather than just accepting the fact that they still love prince, but just don't like a song, or a business decision, or whatever...

sheep are folks that are unable to seperate the man & his music...

whether it's the lame voiceover used throughout 'tRC,' or a song like 'jughead'... these people continually get upset if someone has something not entirely positive... those people are sheep. those people are part of what prince wanted in 1997 when he launched numerous lawsuits against websites/publications for using the O+>...

sheep are purple kool aid drinking folks who think the man never makes mistakes (nor will he ever)... that he's perfect and people that think otherwise shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions and still like other portions of his career...

sheep are people who think his current album is his best album, and that his next album will even better...

"Ain't no room for disagreeing."

suomynona said:[quote]

rdhull said:

I think that they just arise because of the overabundance of naysaying and constant criticism



careful bruh...someones gonna come up with pot kettle metaphor on THIS one..this is a naysayin sheep category



well those people are working for Prince..they arent the ones who profess to enjoy TRC. Those who have enjoyed his recent output have given solid reasons why..its not a Natasha everything he does is wonderful thing..and nobody who is a proponent of positivity for his music has said they liked Jughead...stop over generalizing folks who appreciate some of his music and dont feel the need to constantly-blindly dog it



People speaking in favor of Prince being able to do what they want are mainly doing it more prominantly because for the last 5 years all anyone heard was boohooing and whining from naysayers...its the naysaying folks who try to shut other opinions up..and they are the ones who are pussies because when its all in favor of dogging shit they're cool...but let a voice be heard that enjoys some of the music and they go ape-shit "dont tell me no different" cause I know it, seen it, ..



who says this is his best?--most have said its a return to form etc and so what--just because they arent blinded, like some of yall, to inspired music..the overly critical ones who cant judge music on its own without thinking of Princes bidnes practices etc are the ones who are trippin and just blindly-like sheep--automatically saying shit sucks..."dont tell me no different"--and so what if they think his next album will be better ( I assume you mean me because I said this is a good sign of things to come) so Ill answer from that perspective...so fuckin what if we or I think its a sign of better music to come--are u saying Im a sheep..if so then point blank tell me that..becasue if you think Im a sheep for thinking that after critical analysis and not blindly being a fuckin fool , blockin my ears goin nyah nyha then fuck you ...cause thats what YOU do (naysaying sheep in general). Do NOT even try to paint me into that picture of being one of those "collective" fools just because Im not a naysaying "sheep"..baa baaa



wanna bet--"dont tell me no different"--Ill disagree when folks are blatantly wrong or twisting shit...brang it.
[This message was edited Sat Nov 2 19:28:07 PST 2002 by rdhull]

rdhull said:

really? interesting. i can say i don't like one thing, but then still support him by purchasing the 'rave in2 the joy fantastic' cd through his website last week. (rather than just downloading it off the 'net.)

i'm a clear example of someone that is able to say that i don't like something, yet still support him by paying $125 for a concert ticket, $21.50 for a cd directly from him, etc, etc.

that's the difference between myself and folks that feel the need to stand up for everything he does, and attack those that don't do as they do.

and what even makes it worse for them is the fact that they cannot handle folks like myself. folks that are able to seperate the bullshit, and the artistry. how can i, or a publication like uptown continue to support an artist that makes idiotic decisions that do nothing but hurt his career? it's easy. we like his guitar playing.

suomynona said:

Too many blanket statements to be logical. And too much arrogance and an axe to grind to be believed.

suomynona said:

well thats well and good then--you're kind of stable..but there are others who aren't like that..who continually whine and whine that Prince is no good no good waaa waaa..and also just becasue you can be critical and still support Prince doesnt mean that we dont hear the whines "all the time" etc...dont pat yourself too hard on the shoulder



I dont see anyone sticking up for "everything" he does..even natasha funky smell jenkins...what IS being done, is people being semi critical of a magazine that seems to think it knows best on everything Prince...everyone has good ideas but nobody is the "authority" refuckingardless of what Prince has messed up with and what others would have done better..being critical of a magazine that is overly opinionated is expected..I mean what the fuck? Uptown et al. can be critical of Prince but they cant accept criticism of their own thoughts??!! Hahahahahah..see what I mean by "pussies"? P.S. I love me some Uptown but this isnt about that anymore, now is it?...



thats the kettlte pot thing--it seems you 'cant" separate it..I dont know you very well and I "may" be wrong but I seldom am, but you seem like the primo example of someone who CANT separate the person from the music..I mean look at the shit that was said about the lawsuit etc lol..Im not trying to dog you (like you are to people who enjoy his music recently) but thats just what I gather from what Ive seen...



I think he and others would rather you not support him if all you do is bitch about his bad decisions....regardless of what he does...nobody is "forcing" you to hang on to an artist that continuously dissappoints you sooo much.....fuck being a sheep..thats being "stupid"
[This message was edited Sat Nov 2 19:31:50 PST 2002 by rdhull]

Supernova said:

yup

rdhull said:

No RD, it's just stupid and I'd love to see what facts this is based on. Most comments I've read on TRC and ONA were positive and the same goes for the ONA tour. Sure the number of people who are dissatisfied with NPGMC and Prince's output is growing, but to say that they're just overly critical isn't showing much objectivity either.

Some people just stand by their opinion and don't give in just because the majority thinks differently.

rdhull said:

um, show me where. all i've complained about is the same things that others do. no more no less. are you pissed about my posting the comical stories last week that were posted on alt.music.prince 3 years ago? some folks need to get a sense of humor is all. that shit was funny, period. the lawsuit? i didn't even bring that up/never do... someone else did. and what did i say to mtvnews & the associated press? that i'll continue to support prince because i like his music. folks need to stop tripping

somewhere along the line, some people on this message board took my disrespect for the sheep around here as my dislike for him as an artist. (when it's my lack of respect for decisions he makes as a human being... towards the folks he supposedly loves (fams/family members.))

don't find sheep around here? just look at any thread about mayté. rather than be happy for her about her being free from his controlling ways, folks call her a slut, waffler, etc.

agree with me or not, i don't really care i'll still support prince & uptown happily with my money, cause that's just the kind of person i am.

That brings me to this point...Uptown printed an editorial regarding Prince early in 2000 called RAVE UN2 the FUTURE. I agreed with 75% of that article.One thing that really stood out was Uptown stated that Prince needed to make music that was"inspired".What other album in the last 10 years was more inspired than TRC ?
Before this album was released in 2001, the "fans" wanted Prince to rule the charts.After RAVE they wanted a return to form.Now they want a GOLD or COME Prince.

The problem is because when these albums were released the "fans" didnt buy those albums & the collective "experts" said those albums were crap.

NWPWR, NWPWR can you hear me ?

suomynona said:[quote]

rdhull said:

I meant in general however you did do a lot of complainng in your piosts that dealy witht he subject of the lawsuit etc..besixes as it stands...if he is soo dissappointing then why continue?



huh? what did u post about amp etc..and no Im not pisse about whatever it is you were supposed to have said



well that was their deal then..I was talking about people able to state their opinions even if theyre positive about the nusic ..and not be sheep..



love how you add that in there lol..get over it



You are on some One Life To Live shit...who cares about that shit? Do you think Im including those thoughts on this subject...please, give em a break.




this "I really dont care..who cares if..." thing is funny with you cause even though you profess not to care you sure do keep things going you care A LOT beleive me it shows..and not just about this matter here...talk about fandom




and?...are you supposed to expecting a prize?

joeycoco said:

Thats not what I meant and you know it--quit grasping for straws ..rope a dope...



Yeah and when its on the side of Prince and his output some of you get pissed ..thats what this thread is all about

muleFunk said:

When people make arguments like this, they assume that it's the SAME people who've been saying these different things, as if they've been waffling and demanding something different from him than what he's putting out. Some of us have been wanting the COME/GOLD Prince the whole time, whereas others have wanted the Lovesexy/TRC Prince the whole time, or the Emancipation/Rave Prince the whole time. You're taking different factions with different opinions/desires and painting them to be the group of people changing their mind about what they want from year to year.

And for my money, Gold and Come are more inspired (lyrically, vocally, and musically) than anything he's done since, INCLUDING The Rainbow Children.

rdhull said:

joeycoco said:

don't worry, you're not the only one heh.

suomynona said:

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I am glad you are admitting to being a weirdo!!!
Now go look for a job(lol)

laurarichardson said:

THAT'S some cold shit...

CalhounSq said:

cold/lame... whatever...

not to mention, late... but nice try.

just another moron (laura) who is clueless on this forum about things

suomynona

sheep are people who think his current album is his best album, and that his next album will even better...

"Ain't no room for disagreeing."[/quote]

That once again is just opinion. Namely your own.

You seem to be labouring under the delusion that your opinions are valid, while other people's are not.

This arrogant attitude is exactly what has got you into legal problems. Prince requested that you refrain from posting MP3's and you rudely issued a written refusal.

You made your bed, just be a man and lie in it.

Mr7 said:

listen you dumbfuck (and the other idiots in this thread who think i have a problem with what is now old news)... i have never once complained about the lawsuit. i never said i would stop supporting prince... what is up with you people/sheep?

i feel sorry for folks like you that continue to be unable to grasp the concept of someone who can point out exactly what is wrong with an artist's business decisions, etc, but still support them financially by buying their cds & going to their concerts.

if you don't have anything relevant/intelligent to add to this thread, then go find another one to take a dump on.

suomynona said:

***I'm free to post wherever I wish and I would certainly not allow an unemployed, arrogant loser like yourself to advise me on what I write.***

I look forward to the massive DUMP which will land on your head when the court-case hits.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 3 8:42:47 PST 2002 by Mr7]

What I hate about Uptown is the way they report speculation as fact. I can't think of a specific example but the people they interview sometimes seem to have super human memories !! I can't remember what I had for lunch a week ago, but these people can remember the smallest detail of a recording session 10 years ago ! Just makes me wonder.

Thanks for your posts , shame the orgs been down. Anyway i view Uptown as a useful tool especially for the interviews , but my real problem is in the analysis of his music. A prime example of this was when they got to hear the preview cd of Rave before it was released and gave it a glowing review, then in later publications gave it the thumbs down. Now the reviews may have been written by different people but when you put it with all the other reviews that they do you get the impression that they really think they know better than Prince.
What irks me the most is when they say what a song 'should' have sounded like!! or that some lyrics sound underdeveloped or rushed. Prince responded to this point a few years ago by saying words to the effect of they sound like they do because thats how they're SUPPOSED' to sound. I have without doubt be a critic of parts of his career in the past but i would NEVER be that judgemental. As we get older you realise that he's just a human like me and you , some things he gets right and some things , he admits, he doesn't. But one thing is for sure there is nobodies music that can compare. lets respect him for what he HAS achieved rather than what he SHOULD achieve.

james said:

they have 2 much time on their hands, 4 sure...but uptown's still cool nonetheless.

giotto said:[quote]

suomynona said:

liberation said:

I was referring, amongst other things, to the "missing" 'Parade' tour rehearsal (#3) on page 143 of TURN IT UP 20. Perhaps there is no such thing as a 'Parade' tour rehearsal (#3), but it's definitely a glaring error, at least in print.

As for the recent updates on UPTOWN magazine#53, the normally eagle-eyed UPTOWN staff had a chance to fill in the blanks with its latest survey (like amending their failure to list the well-known Chanhassen New Year's Eve show with Miles Davis at Paisley Park in their TURN IT UP 20 videos section). Inexplicably, it has been left out from the revised list once again.

I will accept there will always be the likelyhood of "human error" with these things, as you venture in your post. But it would also be wrong to accept such mistakes at this level can happen so often, especially since these guys have shown in their otherwise illustrious past that they definitely do know their onions...

Once might be down to bad luck. Twice begins to look like carelessness.


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