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Reply #30 posted 04/17/08 7:17am

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vivid said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Its obvious Prince doesn't enjoy doing When Doves Cry and Little Red Corvette too much. They rarely get an outing.

He seems to always enjoy Purple Rain, Kiss and Raspberry Beret. They pop up most of the time.


He played Little Red Corvette each time I saw him at the O2 - and didnt' he open his acoustic set with it on the Musicology tour in the states?

When Doves Cry wasn't played properly on either of the above. And it's one of his most known songs as well as one of his best.

I haven't heard it played in full since '86!


yeah but what would you rather see, LRC with the full band, a full 5 minuite version with the guitar solo. or prince on his own with the guitar doing a 2 minuite version?
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Reply #31 posted 04/17/08 7:26am

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SquirrelMeat said:

Globally, I think the only songs that can be considered hits are:

1999
LRC
When Doves Cry
Lets Go Crazy
Purple Rain
Raspberry Beret
Kiss
SOTT
U Got The Look
Alphabet Street
Batdance
Gett Off
Cream


The Most Beautiful Girl... was not a hit?
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Reply #32 posted 04/17/08 7:27am

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RumAndRaisin said:

Prince plays the older songs over the new ones for a good reason.

at the o2, when each classic prince song eg 1999, Purple Rain, Lets Go Crazy or Kiss would start the crowd would go wild and cheer and scream as they new them.

when each new song would start the crowd would become bored.

Alot of the the times he played SHOE or Satisfied the crowd would go and buy some chips or get another drink!! lol

in a 20,000 arena prince cant afford to be experimentle, not like the ONA shows that didnt go down to well in england. at his age he cant risk loosing fans again like before musicology.

the majority of the o2 crowds went to see Kiss not Lolita

Exactly, thank you - you just proved my above point that you argued against.
The general crowd couldn't give a damn about his latest material (nor does he seem to) - they all get bored by it. Meaning he is now essentially an 'oldies' act playing the old hits and catering to the masses - the fire has gone.

Back in 88 he could play a 20,000 seat arena and focus squarely on the latest 'experimental' music, and chuck in 3 or 4 hits - now it's the complete opposite - "oldie hits" with 2 or 3 newer songs thrown in in the quiet moments

Thats the whole point - playboy Hef Years...
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Reply #33 posted 04/17/08 7:29am

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vivid said:



He played Little Red Corvette each time I saw him at the O2 - and didnt' he open his acoustic set with it on the Musicology tour in the states?

When Doves Cry wasn't played properly on either of the above. And it's one of his most known songs as well as one of his best.

I haven't heard it played in full since '86!


yeah but what would you rather see, LRC with the full band, a full 5 minuite version with the guitar solo. or prince on his own with the guitar doing a 2 minuite version?


Not the point. I was responding to a post that said that it 'rarely gets an outing' as opposed to Rasberry Beret, for example.
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Reply #34 posted 04/17/08 7:31am

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skywalker said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Globally, I think the only songs that can be considered hits are:

1999
LRC
When Doves Cry
Lets Go Crazy
Purple Rain
Raspberry Beret
Kiss
SOTT
U Got The Look
Alphabet Street
Batdance
Gett Off
Cream


According to this----all of Prince's Greatest Hits albums have too many songs on them.

Really, the songs you listed songs are meeting only chart criteria for what a "hit" is.

I think that when most people are talking about Prince's "hits" they are talking about his best known and beloved songs, not necessarily chart position. Example: Darling Nikki---everyone knows that song even though it wasn't technically a single or a "hit".


Not a single person I took to the London shows would have known Darling Nikki.

I'd say true hits are the ones that sold well. The rest are just fan favourites or less successful single releases.
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Reply #35 posted 04/17/08 7:33am

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RumAndRaisin said:


yeah but what would you rather see, LRC with the full band, a full 5 minuite version with the guitar solo. or prince on his own with the guitar doing a 2 minuite version?

In 1982, the former, in 2008, the latter.




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Reply #36 posted 04/17/08 7:46am

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vivid said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Globally, I think the only songs that can be considered hits are:

1999
LRC
When Doves Cry
Lets Go Crazy
Purple Rain
Raspberry Beret
Kiss
SOTT
U Got The Look
Alphabet Street
Batdance
Gett Off
Cream


The Most Beautiful Girl... was not a hit?


I'm not sure how well it did globally. Here in the England I would add the following top ten hits to the list:

The Most Beautiful Girl In The World
Girls & Boys
Thieves In The Temple
Diamonds & Pearls
Betcha By Golly Wow
Controversy
Sexy MF
My Name is Prince

But in the US, those might be replaced with:

I wanna be your lover
Delirious
Pop Life
I would die 4 U
I could never take the place of your man
Adore
Diamonds & Pearls

The first list I made was trying to identify the truely global hits. After that, I think his hits become regional.
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Reply #37 posted 04/17/08 8:26am

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I'm going with When Doves Cry-I haven't heard him sing this in a while sad
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Reply #38 posted 04/17/08 8:28am

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FlamingRaindrop said:

skywalker said:



According to this----all of Prince's Greatest Hits albums have too many songs on them.

Really, the songs you listed songs are meeting only chart criteria for what a "hit" is.

I think that when most people are talking about Prince's "hits" they are talking about his best known and beloved songs, not necessarily chart position. [b]Example: Darling Nikki---everyone knows that song even though it wasn't technically a single or a "hit".
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Wrong - Prince fans know that song - i know that song but virtually nobody i know would have the slightest clue what that song is - just like i'm sure neil diamond and barry manalow fans consider one or 2 of their none-single songs classics from 'classic (to them) albums' - but the rest of the world wouldn't know, care, or give the slightest single fuck about neil and barrys equivalent to darling nikki....
Come on now, lets keep it real...


We could go back and forth because there is no real way to prove it, but an argument could be made that Darling Nikki is more well known than Alphabet Street. Maybe the difference is USA to Europe. In any event, I would argue that the least famous song on Purple Rain album is still as well known as most of what's a "hit"on Lovesexy.
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Reply #39 posted 04/17/08 8:41am

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Dayclear said:

There was a time Prince said he would not do Purple rain in concerts anymore and he tried that and his fans would not leave auditoriums until he came back out and did it. Remember he said "If you came to get you're Purple rain on, you're in the wrong house"! Last time he was on Jay Leno Prince was asked the same question and he said this song was the one he would be remembered for most and it's the 'albatross around his neck. Purple Rain. smile



yeah i still wish his fans would lift that albatross from around his neck and let him stretch out and do something new and more 2 his creative output. in fact every song from purple rain needs that with the xception of computer blue the most overlooked track on that album..kiss needs 2 go away as well ..fuck it all the of the 80's material needs 2 go away from his live set nod
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #40 posted 04/17/08 8:46am

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iloveannie said:

Consider if you will the fate of other successful bands who have far less material to play. Well even those with a few under their belts still get called to play the 'hits'. Imagine going to see Floyd and not hearing Comfortably Numb, or Led Zeppelin and they not playing Whole Lotta Love. Worse still, imagine booking tickets to see The Cheeky Girls and then not being treated to "I am a cheeky girl, you are a cheeky boy!" and so on...

And why is it that I fancy pretty much anything resembling the female form and yet when I see the Cheeky Girls in those gold hot pants they don't even raise a tingle in my underpants? I said tingle. With a g. Not a k.


well i'm not a big floyd fan so i can't comment on that live...but as 4 zepplin, that would b fine since they have so many other hits..and the same goes 4 prince ..there r over 500 xperiences 2 choose from, y limit his creativity is beyond my comprehension. one must realize that he is a musician and even joe perry of aerosmith has said on record that he's sick of walk this way. what makes prince any less difference. just because he may say on stage that he loves a certain song, doens't mean that he's not sick of playing it
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #41 posted 04/17/08 8:54am

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FlamingRaindrop said:

IstenSzek said:

i remember prince stating that he was sick of playing his hits from as
far back as 1993.

consequently he's stated countless times that he will retire a few of
his most famous songs like "1999", "little red corvette" etc.

i'm not sure but i think that "little red corvette" might be the only
one he actually stopped playing, tho i'm not sure.

so he's either not really tired of playing those songs or he realised
the majority of the public just want to hear them and buy their tix 2
his shows for those.

perhaps that's why he plays lesser known stuff at his aftershows, to
please the hardcore audience whom drool at 10 minute guitar solo's n
could care less about another paint by numbers version of kiss.

anywho. i think that on some level, after he dissed some of the songs
through the 90s he realised once again just how fucking brilliant the
majority of them really are. and perhaps the fact that he didn't have
a real hit since 1994. all of that combined probably made him decide
to keep playing those hits just a little longer.

but for the sake of his integrity he should just stop that non sense
about "i'm gonna retire these songs after this tour" because that's
the thing that is really making him look like an ass. he always yells
it and he never did it.

He wants to retire them but the Catch 22 is that that's all the general public wanna hear... So he either does what he once did in the past; go out and follow his musical muse - playing to smaller audiences for less profit, but be alive, driven, focused and free, playing his current musical creations - OR, as he's been doing for the last 4 years; pander to the general public, play essentially the same set-list over and over and over and over and over again (old-school, 'best-was-well-in-the-past', Rolling Stones style), make a shit load of money and become a top-draw "oldies" act...

It's easy to see that the inspiration has dried up and he's taking the easy Out (I'm not dissing him for raking in the big money, fucking good for him - but for anybody to argue that he's still a relevant, innovative artist is simply retarded logic - he now shares the 'once were legends, now are coasting' stage with the like of the Stones, Elton John and Paul McCartney - personally I'm just a little sad at how fast and easy that transformation took place (especially between 2003 and 2004) - the once rebellious, innovative genius, just seemed to roll over too easily and say, "fuck it, time to coast..."

And you paisley wearing fanatics, don't paint me as a 'hater', i've followed this journey for 25 years - and i'll be the first to admit that he had a golden age like no other in music - hell, for damn near 20 years he wrote his own rules, followed his own unique path and offered up a musical journey like no other EVER has - but please, stop pretending that in the last 4 years he HASN'T transformed into an 'oldies' act, connecting the tired dots, 'cos fuck it, HE HAS!!!
(who in the 21 nights at o2, heard the bulk of the current album?... NO ONE (in fact what album since 92's Symbol album has had a real live airing - nothing from this century, that's for sure - except TRC, but again, the transformation of drive from 2003 to 2004, what a shocker....)

I don't deny that he has well earnt himself credit to coast in his final years, but lets not deny that he is in no way, shape or form the creative musical genius that he once was - those days sadly disappeared faster than most of us expected...

The Hef Years arrived WAY too fast - but lets at least be honest enough to know that the Hef Years are well and truly her...


playboy Hef Years... sad


very well said ...that's y give me the days of the gold experience and ONA over this current oldies act bullshit
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #42 posted 04/17/08 8:56am

Imago

I don't REALLY think Prince hates playing his old hits.



I do think he hates writing new ones. lol
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Reply #43 posted 04/17/08 9:00am

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FlamingRaindrop said:

The Hef Years arrived WAY too fast


That made me laugh. Cuz it's so true; young beautiful women to the left and right and playing the hits audience. Sure, if that's what he wants to do, but he should not complain that his hardcore fans consider this move boring.

I remember Prince saying he won't play his hits anymore early as 1985 and he always resorted to playing them anyways.

Remember the US tour of The Rainbow Children? "If U Came 2 get yo Purple Rain Coat, turn around!"
Then he took it to Europe a month later and he played Purple Rain. So, his moods about his own hits are, well. rather all over the place.

I must admit that often he will spice the lesser hits into new arrangements. Until around 2006, these new arrangements were great (Sign O The Times on the ONA tour) or interesting (17 Days in Vegas).
Then again, he would scar great songs like Sexuality into Spirituality, which still feels as if Prince is busy re-writing his own past and road to where he is now.
Again, his choice, again he should not be surprised if he starts, in my ears, fucking up something that was already amazing and turning it into something less.

So, no. Prince does not hate his hits. Cuz indeed, he is coasting on them as the days of recording exciting new music are over.
And for his live music; in London I was, for the first time at aftershows, bored with his music. It was messy and not really a tribute to music, again, in my ears. I am known to be picky.
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Reply #44 posted 04/17/08 9:01am

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RumAndRaisin said:

FlamingRaindrop said:


He wants to retire them but the Catch 22 is that that's all the general public wanna hear... So he either does what he once did in the past; go out and follow his musical muse - playing to smaller audiences for less profit, but be alive, driven, focused and free, playing his current musical creations - OR, as he's been doing for the last 4 years; pander to the general public, play essentially the same set-list over and over and over and over and over again (old-school, 'best-was-well-in-the-past', Rolling Stones style), make a shit load of money and become a top-draw "oldies" act...

It's easy to see that the inspiration has dried up and he's taking the easy Out (I'm not dissing him for raking in the big money, fucking good for him - but for anybody to argue that he's still a relevant, innovative artist is simply retarded logic - he now shares the 'once were legends, now are coasting' stage with the like of the Stones, Elton John and Paul McCartney - personally I'm just a little sad at how fast and easy that transformation took place (especially between 2003 and 2004) - the once rebellious, innovative genius, just seemed to roll over too easily and say, "fuck it, time to coast..."

And you paisley wearing fanatics, don't paint me as a 'hater', i've followed this journey for 25 years - and i'll be the first to admit that he had a golden age like no other in music - hell, for damn near 20 years he wrote his own rules, followed his own unique path and offered up a musical journey like no other EVER has - but please, stop pretending that in the last 4 years he HASN'T transformed into an 'oldies' act, connecting the tired dots, 'cos fuck it, HE HAS!!!
(who in the 21 nights at o2, heard the bulk of the current album?... NO ONE (in fact what album since 92's Symbol album has had a real live airing - nothing from this century, that's for sure - except TRC, but again, the transformation of drive from 2003 to 2004, what a shocker....)

I don't deny that he has well earnt himself credit to coast in his final years, but lets not deny that he is in no way, shape or form the creative musical genius that he once was - those days sadly disappeared faster than most of us expected...

The Hef Years arrived WAY too fast - but lets at least be honest enough to know that the Hef Years are well and truly her...


playboy Hef Years... sad



3121, black sweat, lolita, satisfied, get on the boat and the dance are still played regualy from 3121

Planet earth, guitar, shoe, chelsea rodgers and t1uwc are played regually from Planet Earth



wow 5 songs from albums that contain over 10 some odd tracks ..compared 2 the act 1 tour where the first half of the show was all the symbol album and some new tracks...compared 2 diamonds and pearls show where the majority of the album was played ...and last but not least the gold experience where the whole album has been done live ..

u can't say that about any of prince's albums not even the rainbow children...

and until prince does a full tour, the songs u listed, we'll c if they r played reguarly..

btw what O2 shows have u been listening 2 where every night those songs from either 3121 and planet earth were played? eek cause the versions I have, those songs weren't played every night and i have all 21 nights
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #45 posted 04/17/08 9:06am

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RumAndRaisin said:

Prince plays the older songs over the new ones for a good reason.

at the o2, when each classic prince song eg 1999, Purple Rain, Lets Go Crazy or Kiss would start the crowd would go wild and cheer and scream as they new them.

when each new song would start the crowd would become bored.

Alot of the the times he played SHOE or Satisfied the crowd would go and buy some chips or get another drink!! lol

in a 20,000 arena prince cant afford to be experimentle, not like the ONA shows that didnt go down to well in england. at his age he cant risk loosing fans again like before musicology.

the majority of the o2 crowds went to see Kiss not Lolita


dude the tour was listed as the last time 2 hear the hits ..hence the arena booking..and if the crowds want 2 hear kiss over lolita..then that says more about him being a nostilga act than anything...
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #46 posted 04/17/08 9:15am

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IstenSzek said:

i remember prince stating that he was sick of playing his hits from as
far back as 1993.

consequently he's stated countless times that he will retire a few of
his most famous songs like "1999", "little red corvette" etc.

i'm not sure but i think that "little red corvette" might be the only
one he actually stopped playing, tho i'm not sure.

so he's either not really tired of playing those songs or he realised
the majority of the public just want to hear them and buy their tix 2
his shows for those.

perhaps that's why he plays lesser known stuff at his aftershows, to
please the hardcore audience whom drool at 10 minute guitar solo's n
could care less about another paint by numbers version of kiss.

anywho. i think that on some level, after he dissed some of the songs
through the 90s he realised once again just how fucking brilliant the
majority of them really are. and perhaps the fact that he didn't have
a real hit since 1994. all of that combined probably made him decide
to keep playing those hits just a little longer.

but for the sake of his integrity he should just stop that non sense
about "i'm gonna retire these songs after this tour" because that's
the thing that is really making him look like an ass. he always yells
it and he never did it.

Very good post. I agree. I think many artists go through this. Just like Hendrix, as u mentioned, Bowie went through the same thing. And P definately went through it. P, like Bowie, took serious pride in their hits but both artists, at thier peak, were still seen as "cult" artists who had "cult" fans. I think Bowie and P cherished this more than the mainstream following. When u go mainstream, u lose some of the freedom u once had with you're music. The label as well as the media and the general audience NOW expect u to come with hit after hit after hit. If u do not do this, then u are seen as a failure. P tried to buck the expectations of not only his o.g fans but the new fans that got on board during Purple Rain. Which was just flat ouy silly on P's part cuz he wanted a mainstream audience. But once P received it, he turned on it. Thus, u get ATWIAD so quickly behind PR. P pride himself, like Bowie, as a cutting edge artist. Having a mainstream audience doesn't go hand in hand with that. U got to sacrifice something. I think P identifies his hits with the mainstream audience therefore he turns on those songs. Because what it represents in his mind. He wanted to be a cult artist. P has said this himself around 79 or 80. He designed his image from Dirty Mind to be just that. But he wanted to reach as many people as he could. Once u achieve that, u are no longer a cult artist. U are now a mainstream artist. P had to learn to deal with that. I think P was at his best and at his happiest when he felt he had something to prove so u got his best album in his career (1999 album). Once P lost the cult thing, he started to lose his edge, musically. He fought to get it back (Black Album) but P was in a different world than he was in 81, 82. So he put out a confused album like Lovesexy. Signs was a mixture of different phases P was in because he was a major star and he wasn't sure how to handle it. Cuz it went against the grain of who P truly is. A cult artist. P's problem was wanting to be a star and a cult artist at the same time. U can't be both. And P found that out. Now, P is seen as a Legend and I think he's cool with that.
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Reply #47 posted 04/17/08 10:08am

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I don't think he hates the hits. That's all he plays. And Purple Rain like 5 times confused
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Reply #48 posted 04/17/08 12:34pm

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Prince has no choice but to play the hits these days. That is what ppl want to hear. Not this "Lolita" or "Black Sweat" stuff because these aren't "hits" and nobody knows them unless you have the albums. One guy who claims to be a Prince fan didn't even know about "Planet Earth" cd until it had already been out for months. These casual fans want the familiarities. I do too.
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Reply #49 posted 04/17/08 1:29pm

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FlamingRaindrop said:


He wants to retire them but the Catch 22 is that that's all the general public wanna hear... So he either does what he once did in the past; go out and follow his musical muse - playing to smaller audiences for less profit, but be alive, driven, focused and free, playing his current musical creations - OR, as he's been doing for the last 4 years; pander to the general public, play essentially the same set-list over and over and over and over and over again (old-school, 'best-was-well-in-the-past', Rolling Stones style), make a shit load of money and become a top-draw "oldies" act...

It's easy to see that the inspiration has dried up and he's taking the easy Out (I'm not dissing him for raking in the big money, fucking good for him - but for anybody to argue that he's still a relevant, innovative artist is simply retarded logic - he now shares the 'once were legends, now are coasting' stage with the like of the Stones, Elton John and Paul McCartney - personally I'm just a little sad at how fast and easy that transformation took place (especially between 2003 and 2004) - the once rebellious, innovative genius, just seemed to roll over too easily and say, "fuck it, time to coast..."

And you paisley wearing fanatics, don't paint me as a 'hater', i've followed this journey for 25 years - and i'll be the first to admit that he had a golden age like no other in music - hell, for damn near 20 years he wrote his own rules, followed his own unique path and offered up a musical journey like no other EVER has - but please, stop pretending that in the last 4 years he HASN'T transformed into an 'oldies' act, connecting the tired dots, 'cos fuck it, HE HAS!!!
(who in the 21 nights at o2, heard the bulk of the current album?... NO ONE (in fact what album since 92's Symbol album has had a real live airing - nothing from this century, that's for sure - except TRC, but again, the transformation of drive from 2003 to 2004, what a shocker....)

I don't deny that he has well earnt himself credit to coast in his final years, but lets not deny that he is in no way, shape or form the creative musical genius that he once was - those days sadly disappeared faster than most of us expected...

The Hef Years arrived WAY too fast - but lets at least be honest enough to know that the Hef Years are well and truly her...


playboy Hef Years... sad


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Reply #50 posted 04/17/08 2:49pm

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He could get rid of 1999 - Purple Rain and every radio/video song..

Prince could still have known songs/hits to tour with... thats amazing and very true eek
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Reply #51 posted 04/17/08 2:53pm

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I've only read the first post, so sorry if I'm repeating something but... I was surprised and delighted! on 7 August at the O2 when he put his hand on his heart and said half way through PR, I LOVE this song!! He also seemed pretty keen to play U Got the Look and various others, so I don't think he's totally sick of them no. smile
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Reply #52 posted 04/17/08 5:21pm

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Jeffiner said:

I've only read the first post, so sorry if I'm repeating something but... I was surprised and delighted! on 7 August at the O2 when he put his hand on his heart and said half way through PR, I LOVE this song!! He also seemed pretty keen to play U Got the Look and various others, so I don't think he's totally sick of them no. smile

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Reply #53 posted 04/18/08 1:42am

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I think Prince loves his hits but simply suffers occasional burn out on playing them live. Can you imagine how many times he has played "Kiss", "Purple Rain" and "Let's Go Crazy" before a live audience. But few songwriters value their catalogue as zelously as Prince which makes me think that he clearly loves his hits, particularly such masterpieces as the aforementioned songs.
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Reply #54 posted 04/18/08 2:46am

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There is an easy solution!

Year 1 - Public album and arena size "Greatest Hits Tour" at cheap prices.

Year 2 - Low key project album and intimate venue tour with new and rare material, high ticket price.

Repeat!
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Reply #55 posted 04/18/08 4:08am

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FlamingRaindrop said:

IstenSzek said:

i remember prince stating that he was sick of playing his hits from as
far back as 1993.

consequently he's stated countless times that he will retire a few of
his most famous songs like "1999", "little red corvette" etc.

i'm not sure but i think that "little red corvette" might be the only
one he actually stopped playing, tho i'm not sure.

so he's either not really tired of playing those songs or he realised
the majority of the public just want to hear them and buy their tix 2
his shows for those.

perhaps that's why he plays lesser known stuff at his aftershows, to
please the hardcore audience whom drool at 10 minute guitar solo's n
could care less about another paint by numbers version of kiss.

anywho. i think that on some level, after he dissed some of the songs
through the 90s he realised once again just how fucking brilliant the
majority of them really are. and perhaps the fact that he didn't have
a real hit since 1994. all of that combined probably made him decide
to keep playing those hits just a little longer.

but for the sake of his integrity he should just stop that non sense
about "i'm gonna retire these songs after this tour" because that's
the thing that is really making him look like an ass. he always yells
it and he never did it.

He wants to retire them but the Catch 22 is that that's all the general public wanna hear... So he either does what he once did in the past; go out and follow his musical muse - playing to smaller audiences for less profit, but be alive, driven, focused and free, playing his current musical creations - OR, as he's been doing for the last 4 years; pander to the general public, play essentially the same set-list over and over and over and over and over again (old-school, 'best-was-well-in-the-past', Rolling Stones style), make a shit load of money and become a top-draw "oldies" act...

It's easy to see that the inspiration has dried up and he's taking the easy Out (I'm not dissing him for raking in the big money, fucking good for him - but for anybody to argue that he's still a relevant, innovative artist is simply retarded logic - he now shares the 'once were legends, now are coasting' stage with the like of the Stones, Elton John and Paul McCartney - personally I'm just a little sad at how fast and easy that transformation took place (especially between 2003 and 2004) - the once rebellious, innovative genius, just seemed to roll over too easily and say, "fuck it, time to coast..."

And you paisley wearing fanatics, don't paint me as a 'hater', i've followed this journey for 25 years - and i'll be the first to admit that he had a golden age like no other in music - hell, for damn near 20 years he wrote his own rules, followed his own unique path and offered up a musical journey like no other EVER has - but please, stop pretending that in the last 4 years he HASN'T transformed into an 'oldies' act, connecting the tired dots, 'cos fuck it, HE HAS!!!
(who in the 21 nights at o2, heard the bulk of the current album?... NO ONE (in fact what album since 92's Symbol album has had a real live airing - nothing from this century, that's for sure - except TRC, but again, the transformation of drive from 2003 to 2004, what a shocker....)

I don't deny that he has well earnt himself credit to coast in his final years, but lets not deny that he is in no way, shape or form the creative musical genius that he once was - those days sadly disappeared faster than most of us expected...

The Hef Years arrived WAY too fast - but lets at least be honest enough to know that the Hef Years are well and truly here...


playboy Hef Years... sad



clapping absolutely right nod
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #56 posted 04/18/08 5:42am

LittleNicci

I went to quite a few concerts and aftershows at the 02 and 3121 in Vegas and personally I could listen to anything Prince wants to do and be happy. I think concerts especially prince's are "events" and I think the music has to be something everyone knows and can really dance to as they tend to be high energy events therefore to play the "hits" makes more sense - to me at least. I saw so many happy faces coming out of the main concert at the 02 - that the man is doing something right. And the aftershows - well they were just outstanding something else completely so much fun so much energy and just wonderfull to behold. I know not everyone will agree with me but just to see him play his guitar live is beyond compare and it really doesn't matter what he plays - at least to me anyway.
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Reply #57 posted 04/18/08 7:33am

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SquirrelMeat said:

There is an easy solution!

Year 1 - Public album and arena size "Greatest Hits Tour" at cheap prices.

Year 2 - Low key project album and intimate venue tour with new and rare material, high ticket price.

Repeat!



naw ..flip that sequence ..Year 1 - Low key project album and intimate venue tour with new and rare material, LOW ticket price

Year 20 - Public album and arena size "Greatest Hits Tour" at HIGH prices.

thumbs up!
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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