blackguitaristz said:

Sorry, I didn't realise this was a speed typing test as well.

Just so you don't think I was ignoring the question.

Answer: Because thats the topic of the thread [Flame Snipped - June7] Your blinkered opinion jacked the thread and IS the debate!

Bye!


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SquirrelMeat said:

Yes I stated that and meant every word of it. U still can't answer why it matters to u what my opinion is? Like I said, take some lessons from Purple Jam. He could easily teach u some things. And because your only response is that I'm a racist, which has no validity whatsoever, then u have to duck and hide...especially after u started it back up. [Flame Snipped - June7] Should have left it alone then u wouldn't have gotten clowned.

SquirrelMeat said:

First off, u could have long since joined whoever u think has dropped out (why that's such a concern of yours is sad as well. Obviously u need others to support or justify yourself.) And you're the one who's mind is greatly warped because you simply can't handle a black man's opinion without your panties getting all twisted up. [Flame Snipped - June7]. What a cop out. Man, u need to come with some better comebacks than that. U clearly wasn't prepared and got caught off guard. And then didn't have the sense enough to ease on. Especially after I repeatedly asked why does it matter to u what my opinion is? U never could answer that. That didn't take ANY mental prowess.

SquirrelMeat said:

[Baiting Snipped - June7]

SquirrelMeat said:

Haha...seriously squirrelmeat, when my album is released (two actually, one from myself and another that I produced, I'll make sure to send u an autographed copy...Cool? And then, probably less than a year, you can discuss my work on this site over in the Non Music forum. Wouldn't that be great? But I don't know if I'll have time to chime in or not. But we'll see. Keep your fingers crossed!

there is no way it was about race. it was about musical styles and that is it.the stones have a long history of working with black artists (peter tosh just to name one. stones fans are well aware of this. i've never considered prince's early stuff to be even remotely disco. not the disco i know anyway, bee gees, donna summer, or even abba. besides one of stones more popular songs was a straight up disco song ("miss you"...just listen to that bass line). there is no way to catagorize prince's entire body of work as a whole. you can do it song by song. he's not a funkster, a techno, a rocker, a soul artist, a blues artist, a jazz artist, or a dance/disco artist. he's written songs for all these genres, therefore his entire body of work doesn't fit into a catagory.prince himself fits into one catagory...singer songwriter. just like elton john, jim croce, james taylor, and joni mitchell and even stevie wonder.

it's simply a case of the crowd didn't understand just what they were witnessing.ricky nelson would of been booed off the stage if he was part of that concert. while if that was thin lizzy up there the crowd would of loved them and phil linot (sp) the lead singer, was black.

it's simply a case of the crowd didn't understand just what they were witnessing.ricky nelson would of been booed off the stage if he was part of that concert. while if that was thin lizzy up there the crowd would of loved them and phil linot (sp) the lead singer, was black.[/quote]
Hmmm, ...very good point and example. I can get with u about Phil Lynot. That I can see going down well. Right on then!

Hmm?? I'm Eminem came out in undies at a RunDMC show in the 80's would he get booed off the stage?? I freaking dislike racism. It couldn't have been homophobia with Stones fans cuz Mick is Bi!!! Hahaaa!

realm said:

The Beastie Boys used to get all sorts of racist shit shouted at them when they supported RUN DMC in 87.

Blackguitaristz - sometimes I don't agree with you, which is good because life is all about a variety of perspectives and opinions. It is how we learn from one another as well as either challenging or strengthening our beliefs/convictions.

This time I have to applaud you for stating the truth here. For some reason, some people on this board try to deny, dismiss and ignore racism when it is evident. I can excuse the fact that some people are not equipped to understand the nuances of racism. What bothers me is that instead of trying to learn from those who do, they challenge it because they are uneasy or uncomfortable about the realities of racism in the WORLD, not just the USA. This is what Barack Obama attempted to address a few weeks ago.

With regard to this topic, I am dumbfounded at how people refuse to acknowledge the racial element of what happened at the Stones show.

saundo11 said:

Thats what Dez Dickerson and Ron Wood seem to think too. The majority of people on here thing that as well....[Flame Snipped - June7]

bellanoche said:

Interesting. Could you point out where exactly its "evident"? (ie - in evidence).

Nawwww, im sure there was some racism in there sure, but the crux of it was HOMOPHOBIA,
The stones fans are cool with black artists to a large extent, but c'mon, I could hear them now."WHO"S THIS LITTLE FAGGOT!!!"
I have a lot of Harley Davidson riding Stones friends and i dont want to further stereotype people, lol,but from personal experience, that is what i think was up. lol
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SquirrelMeat said:

Man Squirrel...[Flame Snipped - June7] Now you're taking the two people (Dez and Ron Wood) both who I was the first to mention, that stated their opinions. I was the first one on here to say the very thing u just mentioned. Damn, [Flame Snipped - June7]

SquirrelMeat said:

I don't understand your question. What kind of "evidence" are you in need of? My statement was a general summation of many instances on this site (in various forums) where racism is dismissed/denied by people who are ill-equipped to critically think about and discuss the topic. It is often the case that when topics regarding race come up someone locks the thread or requests that it be locked. It's too tiring to always try to "prove" racism to people who are unwilling to learn.

bellanoche said:

I can dig it that u don't always agree with me. Actually, I prefer when folks "don't" agree with me! Haha! But seriously, u know I know where u are coming from.

bellanoche said:

That shit makes clear ass sense to me but bellanoche, PLEASE don't try to explain anything to these [Flame Snipped - June7]

The funny thing is....just a few years after this event,I bet many of these people were scrambling to get tickets to the Purple Rain tour

pennylover said:

I remember your post back then and i'd have to agree with your assessment.

My comments will be based on actually being at that first show and what I personally saw and heard from my vantage point.

The group of folks I went with were approximately 3/4 of the way back from the stage on the floor of the L.A. Coliseum...



...which is a very large venue.


My take on why he got booed...

a) He played before a R&R crowd that was primarily there to see the Stones.
b) Prince was an entirely unknown entity to the majority of the audience playing unfamiliar songs.
c) Rowdy crowd in general (ice fights - the folks on the field vs those in the stands, etc)

Do I think it was because he was a Black performer?
Based on where I was positioned and the folks that were in my immediate vicinty, i'd have to say no.

Did I hear any N-word bombs during his performance? No.
Did I hear any Gay slurs during his performance? No.

Is it possible that there were some in attendance that had an issue with his race? In a crowd of this size the percentages would say of course.
The question then becomes, how large a percentage.
Since I personally saw no direct evidence and don't have the ability to read people's minds, i'd have to surmise that it would have been an extremely small minority.



tA

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SoulAlive said:

My thoughts exactly.
It's crazy how trendy & fickle L.A. is.


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Tribal Disorder

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theAudience said:

Thank you. There will always be people with that victim mentality who want to blame everything on racism. Sorry to burst the bubble of black people who need to believe The Man was keeping Prince down, but this time, the audience was more likely homophobic rock fans! Totally different form of hatred & misguided feelings. They saw a smallish man prancing about in a trenchcoat & bikini briefs, while they're waiting for their rock & roll gods. It's like going to a Prince show that is opened by a coffee house country singer. I'd be miffed, too.

And yeah, Jagger had a similarly feminine style, but at the time, fans & non-fans alike could rattle off a list of women he'd bedded. Prince & his demonschlong were largely unknown at the time.

theAudience said:

Thanx for posting, Aud. For the record, I was the one who asked Aud to post on this thread because I knew he was one who had actually went to the show. Aud and I being friends, I long since knew of his thoughts on this. Again Aud, thananx for the post.

theAudience said:

I remember during the Purple Rain era (when everyone and their brother were claiming they are Prince fans),I was like "where did all these people come from?" Where were you in 1980 and 1981?" Alot of these folks just jumped on the bandwagon.

Thank you. There will always be people with that victim mentality who want to blame everything on racism. Sorry to burst the bubble of black people who need to believe The Man was keeping Prince down, but this time, the audience was more likely homophobic rock fans![/quote]
U know what view, this is precisely why I could never get with anything you'll have to say. Ever. U have NO validity whatsoever because u purposely have "selected" hearing and in this case "selected" reading. Meaning u pick and choose what u want to respond to. Totally taking out of context what else had been said. Speaking for myself, I in general and definately on this thread, had never taken the victim mentality regarding race. Because I am nobody's victim in any way, shape or form. So your HOPES that black people's bubble had been bursted is not only a racist comment put in a sarcastic way, but it's way off track. My bubble hasn't been busted, because I never believed The Man, (whoever the fuck that is..it certainly isn't your ass) was tying to keep Prince or anybody else down.

SoulAlive said:

Definately...It was just a matter of time.

viewaskew said:

blackguitaristz said (quote)
U know what view, this is precisely why I could never get with anything you'll have to say. Ever. U have NO validity whatsoever because u purposely have "selected" hearing and in this case "selected" reading. Meaning u pick and choose what u want to respond to. Totally taking out of context what else had been said. Speaking for myself, I in general and definately on this thread, had never taken the victim mentality regarding race. Because I am nobody's victim in any way, shape or form. So your HOPES that black people's bubble had been bursted is not only a racist comment put in a sarcastic way, but it's way off track. My bubble hasn't been busted, because I never believed The Man, (whoever the fuck that is..it certainly isn't your ass) was tying to keep Prince or anybody else down.[/quote]

bellanoche said:

Its a simple question. You say you agree that its "evident" that this issue (we are talking about the Rolling Stones 81 show) is racist, and that you applaud Blackguitaritz for telling the "truth".

Myself and many others have stated we do not believe it is "fact" or the "truth" that this incident is racism. It could be, it could be homophobia, it could be they were tired, it could be they think prince in a tosser.

All we have as evidence is:

1. An audio recording - giving away no signs of racial hatred.
2. An interview with Dez Dickerson saying they simply weren't ready for his sound.
3. An Interview with Ron Wood saying the Pre show Prince hype didn't go down well when they saw the performance.
4. An eye witness in the crowd here on the org that saw nothing racist.

So what I'm asking is.....

Where are the "facts" that make it so "evident" (your words), that this is another racist issue and that any of us to argue against it being clear cut are "ill-equipped?

SoulAlive said:

And to the people who joined the revolution is 80/81. Where were they in 78/79? They were obviously bandwaggoners too.

People become fans of things once they are exposed to it. Plus, artists grow and get better. Were true Bowie fans the purchasers of "The Laughing Knome?". Its playground stuff to say "I was a fan way back".

Besides, if it wasn't for the purple rain waggon jumpers, the artist in question would not have become an international superstar, we wouldn't be able to have the discussion about"I was a fan way back" because no one would know who you were talking about!

violetblues said:

I think there is more to say for this view. I can imagine that the male audience didn't want to see a man J[h]umping around in briefs and a trenchcoat while singing jack u off. Makes a lot more sense than the racial take on it.

Does anyone think that Motley Crue would have recieved the same kind of reaction from the audience that Prince did? I mean with all their make-up and high heel boots as well as still being in the very early stages of their carrear as a band. I would say that they would have been booed off the stage and had things thrown at them just like Prince. It leads me to believe that the reaction was not due to race as much it was the outrageous and decadent type of style and 'fashion' of these particular and relatively unkown(unkown to that crowd at least) artists. Now whether this translated into being a form of homophobia by that crowd of fans or not, it's certainly a possible conclusion to come to, depending on your own interpretation of the situation.
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