PurpleJam said: blackguitaristz said: Good points that u made. First off, it was Mick who was a fan of Prince's. He made it his business to go see P while he was in New York on the Dirty Mind tour. Mick was the one who made that happen. Getting Prince on the bill. P was to also open up OTHER dates on this Stones tour as well. It was more than just this one L.A. show. Keith, on the other hand, who has been known to have made "racist" comments in the past. (His favorite being refering to blacks as "coloured". In the 70's and 80's, NOBODY used that term without knowing it was improper. And if they STILL chose to use it, then it was a knowingly choice. That's one reason Chuck Berry, ironically Keith's hero, chewed Keith's ass out once because Keith had a bad way with words and the way he refered to blacks). Keith wasn't a fan of Prince's then and probably still isn't. Keith, who admired Hendrix as a musician, also had a problem with Jimi. Probably because he knew Jimi was sleeping with his woman, Linda Keith, and she was the one who actually helped Jimi get discovered by Chas Chandler, who took Hendrix to England. I don't doubt that Keith didn't see something in Prince that didn't flare up the same shit that bothered him about Hendrix. Keith's most famous line regarding this booing incident was some shit like "Well, Prince thought he was a King already...". Anyway, I don't doubt that many of the Stones fans went on to become Prince fans during Purple Rain. And as far as Meridith Hunter, the black kid who got stabbed to death at Altamont during a Stones concert, I think P and his management thought because it was 1981, enough things had changed. But Dez, could have begged to differ. Because Dez had waaay more experience in gigging and he traveled, playing in bars, fronting his own bands. BEFORE hooking up with P. He had seen this type of shit before. You think if Berry thought Keith was such a racist that he would have allowed Keith to organize and head the entire project of the Chuck Berry tribute film 'Hail, Hail Rock N' Roll'? Do you think that Keith would only have had a problem with Hendrix taking off with his girl and with no one else? Keith has talked down about so many white rock artists and acts all throughout his carrear. Do you also feel that he would state so often about how so much different music comes and has its roots entirely from Africa, as well as humans themselves? Doesn't really sound like things that a racist would say, even if he believed it. Oh trust me Jam...I KNOW that Keith is hipped to black music. Doesn't have anything to do with Berry having to check him with his lingo regarding blacks. And Keith and Mick both had a problem with Hendrix. Like many other British performers at that time. Because Jimi was a serious threat to them. Musically, visually and when it came to their women. That's a known well documented fact. Hendrix had a problem with Jagger, hence the song "Dolly Dagger". SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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So tell me, does anyone know if any of the crowd there were actually shouting out any kinds of racist slurs and insults towards Prince and his band? Do you think that they thought right away after seeing Prince, 'hey we don't want any black guys opening for the Stones, lets boo and throw all kinds of shit at him to show him how much we really hate black people'?
Does anyone know about the time a few years back when Justin Timberlake was being booed by alot of the auidence while he was on stage with The Stones singing 'Miss You' with them? Keith had to stop playing and tell the crowd to stop with their disrespectful shit. Were all of these Stones fans intimidated by Timberlake's brand of boy band pop, just around the time when he was starting on his own solo carrear? | |
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PurpleJam said: So tell me, does anyone know if any of the crowd there were actually shouting out any kinds of racist slurs and insults towards Prince and his band? Do you think that they thought right away after seeing Prince, 'hey we don't want any black guys opening for the Stones, lets boo and throw all kinds of shit at him to show him how much we really hate black people'?
I don't know if there were racial slurs hurled out to P or not. Who knows what the fans that did boo were thinking? Like I stated, Dez has said that from what he could see, it was a select few who got it going. Dez was trying to convince P to stay and not let let these "dirtbags" (his words) run them out of town. He and Mick had long phone conversations with P after P bolted and flew back home leaving Dez and the others still in L.A. They pleaded with him to come back for the second show. But who knows if the folks who booed was thinking "Oh, I see 3 black guys up front...let's throw shit.". Again, Dez has said that they got through 3 songs before the booing kicked in. So, u gotta ask those folks who booed. I know by the second show, it was off the hook. Because they were played parts of it on the radio out here in L.A. on KLOS rock station. I know because I heard it. The dj's were making a big joke about it. Folks were calling in saying what they had thrown or wanted to throw. I mentioned all of this before. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: PurpleJam said: You think if Berry thought Keith was such a racist that he would have allowed Keith to organize and head the entire project of the Chuck Berry tribute film 'Hail, Hail Rock N' Roll'? Do you think that Keith would only have had a problem with Hendrix taking off with his girl and with no one else? Keith has talked down about so many white rock artists and acts all throughout his carrear. Do you also feel that he would state so often about how so much different music comes and has its roots entirely from Africa, as well as humans themselves? Doesn't really sound like things that a racist would say, even if he believed it. Oh trust me Jam...I KNOW that Keith is hipped to black music. Doesn't have anything to do with Berry having to check him with his lingo regarding blacks. And Keith and Mick both had a problem with Hendrix. Like many other British performers at that time. Because Jimi was a serious threat to them. Musically, visually and when it came to their women. That's a known well documented fact. Hendrix had a problem with Jagger, hence the song "Dolly Dagger". Yet with all the threats that Hendrix supposedly posed to all British performes, which of course is not entirely accurate, Hendrix himself was known to be very insecure himself regarding his own music. And him beating up a woman because she had decided to hook up with his bass player Noel Redding instead of him for the night does not exactly show his great confidence with women either, despite hooking up with many of them. Musicians have always 'taken' other musicians' women. And they all had a problem with it. Their feelings towards Hendrix was nothing different or unique. | |
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PurpleJam said: blackguitaristz said: Oh trust me Jam...I KNOW that Keith is hipped to black music. Doesn't have anything to do with Berry having to check him with his lingo regarding blacks. And Keith and Mick both had a problem with Hendrix. Like many other British performers at that time. Because Jimi was a serious threat to them. Musically, visually and when it came to their women. That's a known well documented fact. Hendrix had a problem with Jagger, hence the song "Dolly Dagger". Yet with all the threats that Hendrix supposedly posed to all British performes, which of course is not entirely accurate, Hendrix himself was known to be very insecure himself regarding his own music. And him beating up a woman because she had decided to hook up with his bass player Noel Redding instead of him for the night does not exactly show his great confidence with women either, despite hooking up with many of them. Musicians have always 'taken' other musicians' women. And they all had a problem with it. Their feelings towards Hendrix was nothing different or unique. Nobody said it was unique or different for that matter. I'm only going by the words that Clapton, Pete and Jeff Beck have stated from their own mouths. They themselves said how threatned they felt by Hendrix. For the reason that I mentioned. Word that Jimi went off on a girl because she wanted to be with Noel came from Noel's mouth. Perhaps that's true and if it is, that's too bad. I don't condone that type of behavior so I can't even relate to that. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: PurpleJam said: Yet with all the threats that Hendrix supposedly posed to all British performes, which of course is not entirely accurate, Hendrix himself was known to be very insecure himself regarding his own music. And him beating up a woman because she had decided to hook up with his bass player Noel Redding instead of him for the night does not exactly show his great confidence with women either, despite hooking up with many of them. Musicians have always 'taken' other musicians' women. And they all had a problem with it. Their feelings towards Hendrix was nothing different or unique. Nobody said it was unique or different for that matter. I'm only going by the words that Clapton, Pete and Jeff Beck have stated from their own mouths. They themselves said how threatned they felt by Hendrix. For the reason that I mentioned. Word that Jimi went off on a girl because she wanted to be with Noel came from Noel's mouth. Perhaps that's true and if it is, that's too bad. I don't condone that type of behavior so I can't even relate to that. Point completely taken. | |
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prime said: PaisleyPark5083 said: My brother was at that performance, he was booed off because Rolling Stone fans wanted to see the Rolling Stones, not some "gay" named Prince wearing heels.
That is what I have read and getting at in my other posts.... They didn't want to see this fool prancing around singing "Head"....they want to see the Stones. It would be the same if Marlin Manson came out in make-up and ass less, leather pants....I would boo his pail ass off the stage. I came to see Prince Exactly | |
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PaisleyPark5083 said: prime said: That is what I have read and getting at in my other posts.... They didn't want to see this fool prancing around singing "Head"....they want to see the Stones. It would be the same if Marlin Manson came out in make-up and ass less, leather pants....I would boo his pail ass off the stage. I came to see Prince Exactly true, true. I guess a lot of people never thought of that, including me, they just wanted to see what they payed for. But that doesn't mean you should boo them. What a-holes. [Edited 4/3/08 13:22pm] | |
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It wasn't because he was in his undies, heels & makeup, singing in a falsetto, and the crowd wanted to see the Stones?
I'm not saying he should have been booed off, or that nobody in the crowd was racist, but I think sex is a bigger cause for a reaction to Prince than race. My Legacy
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DarlingNikki421 said: PaisleyPark5083 said: Exactly true, true. I guess a lot of people never thought of that, including me, they just wanted to see what they payed for. But that doesn't mean you should boo them. What a-holes. [Edited 4/3/08 13:22pm] I just hate that P left the stage like he did. I wish he had done what Dez was trying to get him to do. And that was to stay up there. But they got rained on the second show. Gallons of juice, whole chickens, shoes, all kinds of shit. Mark got drenched with orange juice. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: DarlingNikki421 said: true, true. I guess a lot of people never thought of that, including me, they just wanted to see what they payed for. But that doesn't mean you should boo them. What a-holes. [Edited 4/3/08 13:22pm] I just hate that P left the stage like he did. I wish he had done what Dez was trying to get him to do. And that was to stay up there. But they got rained on the second show. Gallons of juice, whole chickens, shoes, all kinds of shit. Mark got drenched with orange juice. Fucking stupid mob mentality. Whatever the reason was, it's amazing what a group of people will inspire each other to do to another human being. And Mick Jagger supposedly personally asked him to come back. He probably couldn't look Prince in the eye for years (if Prince would let him, that is.) My Legacy
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NDRU said: blackguitaristz said: I just hate that P left the stage like he did. I wish he had done what Dez was trying to get him to do. And that was to stay up there. But they got rained on the second show. Gallons of juice, whole chickens, shoes, all kinds of shit. Mark got drenched with orange juice. Fucking stupid mob mentality. Whatever the reason was, it's amazing what a group of people will inspire each other to do to another human being. And Mick Jagger supposedly personally asked him to come back. He probably couldn't look Prince in the eye for years (if Prince would let him, that is.) Yep, I had stated that Mick called him after the first show, asking him to come back. Prince should have come back. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: NDRU said: Fucking stupid mob mentality. Whatever the reason was, it's amazing what a group of people will inspire each other to do to another human being. And Mick Jagger supposedly personally asked him to come back. He probably couldn't look Prince in the eye for years (if Prince would let him, that is.) Yep, I had stated that Mick called him after the first show, asking him to come back. Prince should have come back. But he did come back, didn't he? It's just that the second show went even worse than the first. You mean he should have stuck it out no matter what, I guess? [Edited 4/3/08 14:26pm] My Legacy
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NDRU said: blackguitaristz said: Yep, I had stated that Mick called him after the first show, asking him to come back. Prince should have come back. But he did come back, didn't he? It's just that the second show went even worse than the first. You mean he should have stuck it out no matter what, I guess? He did come back and yup...there were bottles and other stuff this time. I guess Prince had to talk one of the band members to come back because he wasn't. Prince told him "this isn't our audience." Prime aka The Kid
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prime said: NDRU said: But he did come back, didn't he? It's just that the second show went even worse than the first. You mean he should have stuck it out no matter what, I guess? He did come back and yup...there were bottles and other stuff this time. I guess Prince had to talk one of the band members to come back because he wasn't. Prince told him "this isn't our audience." I read Dez said "don't worry, it's not our audience," and Prince replied " they will be." My Legacy
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NDRU said: blackguitaristz said: Yep, I had stated that Mick called him after the first show, asking him to come back. Prince should have come back. But he did come back, didn't he? It's just that the second show went even worse than the first. You mean he should have stuck it out no matter what, I guess? [Edited 4/3/08 14:26pm] Exactly. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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NDRU said: prime said: He did come back and yup...there were bottles and other stuff this time. I guess Prince had to talk one of the band members to come back because he wasn't. Prince told him "this isn't our audience." I read Dez said "don't worry, it's not our audience," and Prince replied " they will be." Maybe...but I thought Dez was so freaked out because he got hit by something..... Prime aka The Kid
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Y'know it must have affected him quite a lot because he talks about it on the Emporium boot from London March 1995. After he plays Honky Tonk Women he says
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prime said: NDRU said: I read Dez said "don't worry, it's not our audience," and Prince replied " they will be." Maybe...but I thought Dez was so freaked out because he got hit by something..... could be, I was reading a second hand of a second hand of a second hand report My Legacy
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mynameisnotsusan said: Y'know it must have affected him quite a lot because he talks about it on the Emporium boot from London March 1995. After he plays Honky Tonk Women he says
"One time I opened for the Rolling Stones. I got booed off the stage. Perhaps I should have played that sh*t...or perhaps I should have played this!!" and he plays an awesome Bambi. It stayed with him. Of course it stayed with him. He's pretty cool with Ron Wood, u know. Ron guested on stage with P during a Lovesexy aftershow with Sting. Ron was playing P's guitar. He made no mention of it then but u know that had to be sweet. Ron was actually a guest on Arsenio Hall one time and he and Arsenio talked about what had went down. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: mynameisnotsusan said: Y'know it must have affected him quite a lot because he talks about it on the Emporium boot from London March 1995. After he plays Honky Tonk Women he says
"One time I opened for the Rolling Stones. I got booed off the stage. Perhaps I should have played that sh*t...or perhaps I should have played this!!" and he plays an awesome Bambi. It stayed with him. Of course it stayed with him. He's pretty cool with Ron Wood, u know. Ron guested on stage with P during a Lovesexy aftershow with Sting. Ron was playing P's guitar. He made no mention of it then but u know that had to be sweet. Ron was actually a guest on Arsenio Hall one time and he and Arsenio talked about what had went down. Actually, Ron when on stage with Prince and Sting at a main show on Aug 15th 86, not an 88 aftershow. They did a great version of "Miss You". Ron brings it up in his autobiography. Along with the 81 incident, where he suggests Prince got booed off because of his pre show hype and style, rather than his colour. Then again, You must think Ron is wrong too, even though he was actually there. . | |
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SquirrelMeat said: blackguitaristz said: Of course it stayed with him. He's pretty cool with Ron Wood, u know. Ron guested on stage with P during a Lovesexy aftershow with Sting. Ron was playing P's guitar. He made no mention of it then but u know that had to be sweet. Ron was actually a guest on Arsenio Hall one time and he and Arsenio talked about what had went down. Actually, Ron when on stage with Prince and Sting at a main show on Aug 15th 86, not an 88 aftershow. They did a great version of "Miss You". Ron brings it up in his autobiography. Along with the 81 incident, where he suggests Prince got booed off because of his pre show hype and style, rather than his colour. Then again, You must think Ron is wrong too, even though he was actually there. Oh yeah...my bad. It was 86.[Flame Snipped - June7] I'm hip to what Ron thought. I was the one who brought it up, so obviously I knew what his opinion was. I saw him speak on it on Arsenio's. Why does what I think affect u so deeply? [Flame Snipped - June7] SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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mynameisnotsusan said: Y'know it must have affected him quite a lot because he talks about it on the Emporium boot from London March 1995. After he plays Honky Tonk Women he says
"One time I opened for the Rolling Stones. I got booed off the stage. Perhaps I should have played that sh*t...or perhaps I should have played this!!" and he plays an awesome Bambi. It stayed with him. I was at that Emporium show when he said that. The strange thing is, Prince did play bambi at the Stones gig, Its a rip roaring opening to his set. . | |
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blackguitaristz said: SquirrelMeat said: Actually, Ron when on stage with Prince and Sting at a main show on Aug 15th 86, not an 88 aftershow. They did a great version of "Miss You". Ron brings it up in his autobiography. Along with the 81 incident, where he suggests Prince got booed off because of his pre show hype and style, rather than his colour. Then again, You must think Ron is wrong too, even though he was actually there. Oh yeah...my bad. It was 86.[Flame Snipped - June7] I'm hip to what Ron thought. I was the one who brought it up, so obviously I knew what his opinion was. I saw him speak on it on Arsenio's. Why does what I think affect u so deeply? [Flame Snipped - June7] HaHa, I honestly don't give a damn. I'm enjoying sitting back watching you [Flame Snipped - June7] So far, the only evidence we have as to the events of the show in 81 are: The audio - No reference to racism there. Dez interviews - As a witness, he suggests they weren't ready for Prince. Ron Interview - As a witness he suggested prince was too hyped up pre gig and fell flat to that audience. But you still want to dismiss the actual witnesses to the event in favour of some personal rant, suggested as fact, and when anyone dares to say something to the contrary, you go on the attack like some school bully. Thats why I laugh, because I let that type of behaviour go straight over my head. I think you like the idea of your views pissing people off, but it hasn't sunk in (just look back at the content) that most people haven't got the time or can be bothered by your form of baiting. . | |
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SquirrelMeat said: blackguitaristz said: Oh yeah...my bad. It was 86. [Flame Snipped - June7]That's too bad. I'm hip to what Ron thought. I was the one who brought it up, so obviously I knew what his opinion was. I saw him speak on it on Arsenio's. Why does what I think affect u so deeply? U can't say that it doesn't, [Flame Snipped - June7]. HaHa, I honestly don't give a damn. [Flame Snipped - June7] So far, the only evidence we have as to the events of the show in 81 are: The audio - No reference to racism there. Dez interviews - As a witness, he suggests they weren't ready for Prince. Ron Interview - As a witness he suggested prince was too hyped up pre gig and fell flat to that audience. But you still want to dismiss the actual witnesses to the event in favour of some personal rant, suggested as fact, and when anyone dares to say something to the contrary, you go on the attack like some school bully. Thats why I laugh, because I let that type of behaviour go straight over my head. I think you like the idea of your views pissing people off, but it hasn't sunk in (just look back at the content) that most people haven't got the time or can be bothered by your form of baiting. I don't care what u think my motives are. But obviously u do care what I think cuz if u didn't, u still wouldn't be talking about it. I had never tried to piss anyone off. But obviously in your case, it did just that. And obviously u DO have the time cuz again, you're STILL talking about it. U need to take a lesson from a cat like PurpleJam, [Flame Snipped - June7] We were able to discuss our disagreement with out him having his feelings hurt like u continue to display. I see that u can't answer the question as to why does it matter to u as to what my opinion is ? Seriously..U see that it doesn't matter to me what your opinion is cuz I haven't tried to change it. If u think P getting booed had nothing to do with race, then cool for u. More power to u. But it truly bothers u that I think it did have to do with race. Why is that? Simple question. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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gyro34 said: I agree with Oneken and Blackguitaristz. If Iggy Pop and others like him could perform in drawers and what not. Why couldn't Prince?
No one is saying he couldn't. But its a big leap from saying Iggy gets away with wearing his pants to.....Prince was booed off stage when supporting the rolling stones because he was black. Its comparing apple with oranges. Different crowds, different expectations, different hype, very different type of performance. Personally, I can't see Jack U Of going down well with an old school rock crowd at any show, by any performer. Its also interesting that its at the point of Jack U off (third song in the set) that the crowds seemed to get restless. I think Oneken and Blackguitaristz make some valid points, but in blackguitaristz case, they have got lost in all his agression and baiting. . | |
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SquirrelMeat said: gyro34 said: I agree with Oneken and Blackguitaristz. If Iggy Pop and others like him could perform in drawers and what not. Why couldn't Prince?
No one is saying he couldn't. But its a big leap from saying Iggy gets away with wearing his pants to.....Prince was booed off stage when supporting the rolling stones because he was black. Its comparing apple with oranges. Different crowds, different expectations, different hype, very different type of performance. Personally, I can't see Jack U Of going down well with an old school rock crowd at any show, by any performer. Its also interesting that its at the point of Jack U off (third song in the set) that the crowds seemed to get restless. I think Oneken and Blackguitaristz make some valid points, but in blackguitaristz case, they have got lost in all his agression and baiting. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: SquirrelMeat said: HaHa, I honestly don't give a damn. I'm enjoying sitting back watching you make an utter fool of yourself. So far, the only evidence we have as to the events of the show in 81 are: The audio - No reference to racism there. Dez interviews - As a witness, he suggests they weren't ready for Prince. Ron Interview - As a witness he suggested prince was too hyped up pre gig and fell flat to that audience. But you still want to dismiss the actual witnesses to the event in favour of some personal rant, suggested as fact, and when anyone dares to say something to the contrary, you go on the attack like some school bully. Thats why I laugh, because I let that type of behaviour go straight over my head. I think you like the idea of your views pissing people off, but it hasn't sunk in (just look back at the content) that most people haven't got the time or can be bothered by your form of baiting. I don't care what u think my motives are. But obviously u do care what I think cuz if u didn't, u still wouldn't be talking about it. I had never tried to piss anyone off. But obviously in your case, it did just that. And obviously u DO have the time cuz again, you're STILL talking about it. U need to take a lesson from a cat like PurpleJam, [Flame Snipped - June7] We were able to discuss our disagreement with out him having his feelings hurt like u continue to display. I see that u can't answer the question as to why does it matter to u as to what my opinion is ? Seriously..U see that it doesn't matter to me what your opinion is cuz I haven't tried to change it. If u think P getting booed had nothing to do with race, then cool for u. More power to u. But it truly bothers u that I think it did have to do with race. Why is that? Simple question. Are you actually following the conversation? I haven't got or suggested I have any hurt feelings. Again, I think you just like the idea that you might have upset people. [Flame Snipped - June7] I you can be bothered to look up the first page, things were quite civil. But when I simply stated that you seemed to be passing off opinion as fact (something several people have pointed out), you decided to get all childish with the following statement: "I'm not going to EVER sugar coat some racist shit. If it is, then it IS. I'm not about going around and around with somebody cuz I don't give a shit about trying to change somebody's mind. U think what u think, fine. Whatever,...I'm sure you're not hardly alone. But I AM and will always speak out on racists and will gladly call out some racist bullshit if I detect it." Is that the type of grown up intelligent converse you wish I had? Calling "it" out when the only evidence to date points to the contrary? I think I'll join several others here and drop out speaking with you. [Flame Snipped - June7] and I haven't got time for that. I'm sure in your warped mind you'll consider that you are beating everyone with your mental prowess! Bye bye! . | |
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