SoulAlive said:

What it is, Soul?

blackguitaristz said:

I'm just sitting back,reading the comments in this thread It's an explosive topic!

dreamshaman32 said:

Good points that u made. First off, it was Mick who was a fan of Prince's. He made it his business to go see P while he was in New York on the Dirty Mind tour. Mick was the one who made that happen. Getting Prince on the bill. P was to also open up OTHER dates on this Stones tour as well. It was more than just this one L.A. show. Keith, on the other hand, who has been known to have made "racist" comments in the past. (His favorite being refering to blacks as "coloured". In the 70's and 80's, NOBODY used that term without knowing it was improper. And if they STILL chose to use it, then it was a knowingly choice. That's one reason Chuck Berry, ironically Keith's hero, chewed Keith's ass out once because Keith had a bad way with words and the way he refered to blacks). Keith wasn't a fan of Prince's then and probably still isn't. Keith, who admired Hendrix as a musician, also had a problem with Jimi. Probably because he knew Jimi was sleeping with his woman, Linda Keith, and she was the one who actually helped Jimi get discovered by Chas Chandler, who took Hendrix to England. I don't doubt that Keith didn't see something in Prince that didn't flare up the same shit that bothered him about Hendrix. Keith's most famous line regarding this booing incident was some shit like "Well, Prince thought he was a King already...". Anyway, I don't doubt that many of the Stones fans went on to become Prince fans during Purple Rain. And as far as Meridith Hunter, the black kid who got stabbed to death at Altamont during a Stones concert, I think P and his management thought because it was 1981, enough things had changed. But Dez, could have begged to differ. Because Dez had waaay more experience in gigging and he traveled, playing in bars, fronting his own bands. BEFORE hooking up with P. He had seen this type of shit before.

Onekeen, I understand where u are coming from and I dig the sentiment. I appluad u for standing up for something like this. Many folks run away from topics regarding race. BUT at the same time, u don't have to justify folks being racist and u certainly don't have to justify Prince's abilities and talents to people who are racist minded. Of course Prince was a good performer during Controversy and before. Truth be told, Prince was the most talented cat to step foot on that stage that entire evening. For someone to suggest anything else is covering up what and why it all went down.

Bewdy said:

You know from reading your rants blackguitarist, I would suggest that you are indeed the racist, You seem to have such a massive chip on your shoulder about this (without actually backing it up with any facts, such as accurate eye witness comments such as other posters on here). As far as I can see, you justification is, prince was black, the crowd was white, it's racism.

Your saying things like you are glad other 'brothers' are on this thread, which suggests that you don't value the comments of other people on this thread (assuming they are not 'brothers') you have a proper us against them attitude, man you need to wake up it's the 21st Century,you need to start being 'colour blind', as prince would put it himself. And put your race issues behind you.

I knew somebody would "bite" on the fact that I stated "other brothers" because that's the only thing u have to reach out for. That's your problem and it proves nothing. Except for the fact that I made note of it. Don't concern yourself with how I address other black people, such as myself.A nd just because I gave my opinion on the case, and it doesn't coincide with what u want to believe, it makes me the racist? Man, that's the oldest trick in the world. To do the ol' olkie dough...To try and switch the tables around. I don't care what your opinion is about me because I can seriously careless about u. But if speaking my mind openly and freely puts a chip on my shoulder, then whatever. Again, that's all your problem. U can't deal with someone else's opinion shows a major weakneass in u. And you're the one who needs to wake up if u think that reversal shit is going to work on me. That's one of the weakest responses I have ever seen on here. I'm racist because I gave specific reasons on why I believe P got the response he got. And to say I didn't is a flat out lie.

dreamshaman32 said:

Good points that u made. First off, it was Mick who was a fan of Prince's. He made it his business to go see P while he was in New York on the Dirty Mind tour. Mick was the one who made that happen. Getting Prince on the bill. P was to also open up OTHER dates on this Stones tour as well. It was more than just this one L.A. show. Keith, on the other hand, who has been known to have made "racist" comments in the past. (His favorite being refering to blacks as "coloured". In the 70's and 80's, NOBODY used that term without knowing it was improper. And if they STILL chose to use it, then it was a knowingly choice. That's one reason Chuck Berry, ironically Keith's hero, chewed Keith's ass out once because Keith had a bad way with words and the way he refered to blacks). Keith wasn't a fan of Prince's then and probably still isn't. Keith, who admired Hendrix as a musician, also had a problem with Jimi. Probably because he knew Jimi was sleeping with his woman, Linda Keith, and she was the one who actually helped Jimi get discovered by Chas Chandler, who took Hendrix to England. I don't doubt that Keith didn't see something in Prince that didn't flare up the same shit that bothered him about Hendrix. Keith's most famous line regarding this booing incident was some shit like "Well, Prince thought he was a King already...". Anyway, I don't doubt that many of the Stones fans went on to become Prince fans during Purple Rain. And as far as Meridith Hunter, the black kid who got stabbed to death at Altamont during a Stones concert, I think P and his management thought because it was 1981, enough things had changed. But Dez, could have begged to differ. Because Dez had waaay more experience in gigging and he traveled, playing in bars, fronting his own bands. BEFORE hooking up with P. He had seen this type of shit before.

SoulAlive said:

U really think so? Nah, I don't. Although I must admit that I like people speaking their minds. I like to see "who" thinks what. U know what I'm saying?

Fuck dude you have a serious fucking problem - stop playing the worn out race card [Flame Snipped - June7]! It really is getting embarrassing for you!
Tired man, very fucking TIRED!!!!

.....And some people only want to make it about race, like it is the only ill of this society.....


Here here! for some people they can attach racism to any and everything, with little justification. They are so preoccupied with skin colour, not just that of others but also their own, that they are ignorant and blinkered to all else. and I'm not talking about 1981, I'm talking about 2008 on this thread.
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Fuck dude you have a serious fucking problem - stop playing the worn out race card [Flame Snipped - June7]! It really is getting embarrassing for you!
Tired man, very fucking TIRED!!!!

blackguitaristz said:

Yeah, right, because anybody who disagrees with you is so OBVIOUSLY a racist - fuck man your credibility is GONE!!!

You seriously have major fucking problems dude - this thread has shown you out to be a total punk - take a few deep breaths and learn to deal with life man, the whole world isn't against you - whitey isn't really the nasty evil devil, brother...

Get rid of the racist hatred you have that is so obviously backed-up inside of you, and you'll learn most of us just wanna get along....

BlackG!
You know you and I agree on 99% of stuff about about the little man, but I really don't think it was ALL racially motivated on this one. Considering that the Stones played with a lot of classic black blues artists and I can't think of any examples of them being booed off stage, I'd have to say that a large part of it was Prince's image. Sure there were probably some twisted racists in the crowd (I defy someone to show me a crowd even today that doesn't have a good healthy slice of racists in all colors, shapes and sizes in it-it can't be done!).

I seriously think that the bulk of it was based on his image. That said, none of us can get inside the heads of these idiots in the crowd, so this exercise is just a couple of armchair historians flexing our brains. I doubt that we're going to come to any conclusion that we can all agree with.

BlackG!
You know you and I agree on 99% of stuff about about the little man, but I really don't think it was ALL racially motivated on this one. Considering that the Stones played with a lot of classic black blues artists and I can't think of any examples of them being booed off stage, I'd have to say that a large part of it was Prince's image. Sure there were probably some twisted racists in the crowd (I defy someone to show me a crowd even today that doesn't have a good healthy slice of racists in all colors, shapes and sizes in it-it can't be done!).

I seriously think that the bulk of it was based on his image. That said, none of us can get inside the heads of these idiots in the crowd, so this exercise is just a couple of armchair historians flexing our brains. I doubt that we're going to come to any conclusion that we can all agree with.

madhouseman said:

And with that, I am going to drop out of this conversation before someone thinks I am trying to piss people off. This topic is always a tender subject and I was just throwing my 2 cents into it. I have no interest in raising the temperature of this one because nothing I say is going to make it better.

And with that, I am going to drop out of this conversation before someone thinks I am trying to piss people off. This topic is always a tender subject and I was just throwing my 2 cents into it. I have no interest in raising the temperature of this one because nothing I say is going to make it better.

when a person makes an absolute statement, it's very easy to refute. an absolute statement includes phrases like "is the only reason"....

Just because Mick n the gang liked Prince's music, that didn't mean the Stones' audience liked it. The Stones at had Stevie Wonder as an opening act during the Goats Head Soup era, and there was no booing.

My feeling is that Prince was booed because he and the group were not prepared nor polished to handle a crowd the size of Dodger Stadium. Be honest...what song other than Bambi and Wanna Be Ur Lover really were good from Prince's first album?

Don't paint with such a broad paintbrush.

Opinions are like assholes, and you're entitled to yours.

Others disagree.

Maybe Prince just stunk that day.

As a working black musician who plays to mostly white crowds. I have to say that in my experience white audiences seem a little more open to something different. However you have to be in the ave with the other artist though. I mean listening to a Prince and then Rolling Stones I doubt back then they would have gotten it. Hell my uncle told me black folk didn't always understand Prince back then. A dude with a thong and leg warmers? Not so much. I think it may have been less about racism and more about being something that folks could not relate to for the most part. Granted there is a racism in the world but in some cases race may not be the first place to look. You might have just had some drunk impatient bastard wanting some 'Satisfaction' me thinks. I respect all opinions but Did people call him the 'n' word or something? Did they burn mock crosses?
I was with my cousin once and he was BUGGIN this waitress for her number. When she became fed up and stopped coming to his side of the table. He whispered to me "she doesn't like black people."I said "No, you are being a dick". I said that to say sometimes we all need to look deeper than race in certain situations. Just my 2 cent

Racism?

Sure, it was probably a big part of it, but it's not the only reason.

- The Old vs. New thing. A lot of people at the time saw him as a commercial exploiter who was just ripping off people like Hendrix and the Rolling Stones etc.
- The homophobia factor (see SquirrelMeat's replies)
- The we're-bored-and-drunk-and-have-nothing-better-to-do factor (never to be underestimated at these kind of events )

My brother was at that performance, he was booed off because Rolling Stone fans wanted to see the Rolling Stones, not some "gay" named Prince wearing heels.

blackguitaristz said:

And some people only want to make it about race, like it is the only ill of this society. The Stones were a group who shared the stage with Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf, Stevie Wonder and Billy Preston all before the Prince incident. Their fans knew about their love and strong influence of blues music. Prince did not have any real appeal to Stones fans or probably to any other rock fans in general at that time. He was completely unkown to them and this could have been the reason for their reaction to him. They came to see The Stones perform and were not interested in seeing this guy whom they knew nothing about. Do you think that they would have acted the same way if any of the above artists that the Stones had shared the stage with were opening for them instead of Prince? Do you think they would have displayed such a dislike, or racism as you say, to Wonder, Waters or Preston, artists who were already well established to most fans? To claim race as the only possible reason for the crowds reaction to Prince is certainly up for debate I believe. And to say that anyone who disagrees with their own opinion is racist, its just a really foolish and simple minded way of looking at things.
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