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PrintableFlo6 said:[quote]"the only person he's ever loved more than any1 else, is himself."
Isn't that true for all/most of us? Plus, loving oneself sounds quite a good/healthy thing to me... Does that bother you? [I mean to love yourself more than other people/someone else?] "but a fan of an artist loves the illusion they create" Isn't that true for all/most of us? - aren't we all having illusions/false perceptions/expectations of other people [not just of artists/celebrities]? I don't doubt the sincerity of Prince' and other people's feelings of loneliness when they say they have them. God knows if I have them myself. But I just think that perhaps we should stop demonizing loneliness. I just feel that in today's [at least Western] societies, being alone and feeling lonely are being regarded as if they were some kind of disease, that should be treated, got rid of at all costs, failing which we are being threatened by psychologists/psychiatrists, counsellors, lifestyle gurus and a whole body of scientific/academic writings that we are unsociable, ill-fitted for a fulfilling life, doomed to a life of unhapiness, somehow unhealthy and in need of 'fixing'. God forbid you like spending your leisure time on your own or is single for a long time. There must be something wrong with you, you just have to feel unhappy. "Man is a sociable being" we read in a book a while ago, period, end of story. What is clear to me is that this state of supposedly 'wrong' feelings of loneliness is very profitable to some people [see above said psychologists, etc.] I don't have a magic recipe to alleviate loneliness. But I do believe two things: 1] Packs of friends, acquaintances, admirers, people close and not so close, including lovers, partners and spouses do not necessarily alleviate loneliness, especially the deep, inner kind. 2] Most if not all the big, really important things in life, we have to do them on our own - birth, death, declaring our love to someone, that job interview, and performing in front of one's audience: we are essentially alone to do all these things, nobody can do them in our place. Maybe it's a slightly negative/pessimistic take on life. I don't mean to say we shouldn't look to others for love, comfort or pure fun. But I think we tend to put way too many expectations on others to fill up that empty space we all have inside, that we were all born with, and that we have been brainwashed into seeing as unhealthy. From there springs the constant frustration I think. When people say they are lonely, I don't know what they expected: to come to this world [during birth] with a good friend on each arm, then be surrounded by- and accompanied through life by a whole team of loving, trusting and faithful friends and supporters 24/7 365 days a year until their dying day? I don't think that's the way it's supposed to work. I think we are born essentially alone. Even our parents, they can't learn things for us as we grow up. We are all likely to experience the companionship I mentioned here throughout our life, but intermittently is the more likely, the more natural scenario I think. And obviously, these little islands of happy convergence with others will come from our own efforts and acts of giving. They shouldn't be taken for granted and expected on a constant basis. Like I said, I don't doubt the genuineness of these feelings of loneliness, especially the internal ones - feelings of 'a void' inside. But perhaps these would be much more manageable if we embraced them, saw them as part of ourselves, of who we are as human beings, of what makes us human/humane, rather than dislike them and try to chase them away by any means. In short I think those feelings would be far less depressing/destructive if we saw them as normal, natural. And in the end, no matter how scary a life, especially our later years may look if spent alone, I think that, regardless of creed, we are all going to be fine, even on our own. No psychological/emotional 'distaster' is going to happen, as many would have us believe. We just have to trust it. In short, love your void, love your solo self, ain't nothing wrong with it! I'll stop here before I put you royalshyness and everyone to sleep [if that's not done yet:) And I hope I didn't sound patronizing, cause that's wasn't my purpose. 
royalshyness said: GiGi319 Sometimes however I wonder if he ever truly loved somebody. I don't care what anybody says, I think Prince is a very lonely man who seems to have problems bonding with people for whatever reasons. fair and reasonable wonderings. the only person he's ever loved more than any1 else, is himself. and yes he is a very lonely man looking for bonds in all the wrong faces. no offence to your open display of love but a fan of an artist loves the illusion they create and thats not true love. true love destroys illusions. but thats just my foggy askew view talking non stop 24 7. lol no flo. u were not patronizing. ur response was a very interesting one. lonliness does not come to us forcefully but acceptingly. never stop ur flo flo.  | |
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for me all that is required to feel lonely is a completely different view to any1 else. i'm used to it by now, which is why its so easy for me to bail and go back to whatever i was doing, after a little pain and suffering, but i'm used to that too. it aint no biggie. in my own life, i'm the girl in town who does the dirty work that no one else wants to do cuz of how it'd make them look. thats pretty alienating, but i put truth before anything or any1 else, more than accustomed to being crucified for it, misunderstood in intentions and called names. its hard sometimes when u know ur doing a good thing and every1 else thinks its bad. loneliness? sure, isolation absolutely. lately though, i dont feel like i've been left standing alone in a world so cold anymore, and when that internal company gets pushed away for its own benefit, and i feel it moving away from me, it hurts, and its horribly scary. never been so afraid in my life when that happens.
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Box said: royalshyness said: he doesnt hate his fans. he hates the reflection he sees of himself in his fans.
true. Does this mean you think Prince sees the fans as a distorted image of himself and this also indicates he is successful and deep down in his psyche he doesnt think he deserves to be succesful and therefore he is quite self-destructive???? xZ "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift - that's why they call it the present." -RW Emerson
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zoerh said: Box said: true. Does this mean you think Prince sees the fans as a distorted image of himself and this also indicates he is successful and deep down in his psyche he doesnt think he deserves to be succesful and therefore he is quite self-destructive???? xZ oh wundebar! finally we get back to the beginning. CRAPPY MIRROR LENS yes. i liken his reaction to his fans sometimes as the same as how i felt when i first went to the npgmc. i thought i was gunna die of toxic shock, and thats not an insult to anyone, but when u have ur own view of yourself and the world and how u think it should be, or even how its supposed to be, and the reflection you get back of yourself doesnt match the projection u sent out, for me it feels like needles in my belly. i can only speak for myself, but what i learned was that everyone is telling the Truth, and the test is to find the plane of consciousness u have to access to be able to see it. a poetic outlook helps. sometimes people are just talking about themselves too. shine a flawless mirror onto people and you'll quickly see by the reaction you get, whether they are spiritually ill or healthy. in regards to fear and self-loathing in las vegas, dont know about him, but i have times where if Love is coming at me at a hunred mph, i'll just shut down, mainly because i'm not accustomed to receiving it and sure, there's a part of me that doesnt feel like i deserve it, cuz i know my own mind and how it works, and when u know certain things about yourself and u judge them as being 'unpleasant' or whatever, there's a sense of mistrust about the Love you're receiving, like "sure ok, but u dont know what i know about me so f off". it takes huge amount of faith to let yourself be loved and see yourself as perfectly and in the purest way, as others see you, whether or not they're seeing u clearly or not, ultimately who knows. maybe they're seeing good qualities about you that ur unaware of. but on the flipside to all of that, alot of 'communication success' seems to be all about timing. once it becomes 'unmusical', like once there's no rhythm in the exchange, just about anything anyone says at that point will strain me. dunno, they're just my thoughts. | |
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"lonliness does not come to us forcefully but acceptingly."
"never stop ur flo flo" I've made note of that. It's flowing 
Thanks for your thoughts and the butterfly. Box said: Flo6 said: "the only person he's ever loved more than any1 else, is himself."
Isn't that true for all/most of us? Plus, loving oneself sounds quite a good/healthy thing to me... Does that bother you? [I mean to love yourself more than other people/someone else?] "but a fan of an artist loves the illusion they create" Isn't that true for all/most of us? - aren't we all having illusions/false perceptions/expectations of other people [not just of artists/celebrities]? I don't doubt the sincerity of Prince' and other people's feelings of loneliness when they say they have them. God knows if I have them myself. But I just think that perhaps we should stop demonizing loneliness. I just feel that in today's [at least Western] societies, being alone and feeling lonely are being regarded as if they were some kind of disease, that should be treated, got rid of at all costs, failing which we are being threatened by psychologists/psychiatrists, counsellors, lifestyle gurus and a whole body of scientific/academic writings that we are unsociable, ill-fitted for a fulfilling life, doomed to a life of unhapiness, somehow unhealthy and in need of 'fixing'. God forbid you like spending your leisure time on your own or is single for a long time. There must be something wrong with you, you just have to feel unhappy. "Man is a sociable being" we read in a book a while ago, period, end of story. What is clear to me is that this state of supposedly 'wrong' feelings of loneliness is very profitable to some people [see above said psychologists, etc.] I don't have a magic recipe to alleviate loneliness. But I do believe two things: 1] Packs of friends, acquaintances, admirers, people close and not so close, including lovers, partners and spouses do not necessarily alleviate loneliness, especially the deep, inner kind. 2] Most if not all the big, really important things in life, we have to do them on our own - birth, death, declaring our love to someone, that job interview, and performing in front of one's audience: we are essentially alone to do all these things, nobody can do them in our place. Maybe it's a slightly negative/pessimistic take on life. I don't mean to say we shouldn't look to others for love, comfort or pure fun. But I think we tend to put way too many expectations on others to fill up that empty space we all have inside, that we were all born with, and that we have been brainwashed into seeing as unhealthy. From there springs the constant frustration I think. When people say they are lonely, I don't know what they expected: to come to this world [during birth] with a good friend on each arm, then be surrounded by- and accompanied through life by a whole team of loving, trusting and faithful friends and supporters 24/7 365 days a year until their dying day? I don't think that's the way it's supposed to work. I think we are born essentially alone. Even our parents, they can't learn things for us as we grow up. We are all likely to experience the companionship I mentioned here throughout our life, but intermittently is the more likely, the more natural scenario I think. And obviously, these little islands of happy convergence with others will come from our own efforts and acts of giving. They shouldn't be taken for granted and expected on a constant basis. Like I said, I don't doubt the genuineness of these feelings of loneliness, especially the internal ones - feelings of 'a void' inside. But perhaps these would be much more manageable if we embraced them, saw them as part of ourselves, of who we are as human beings, of what makes us human/humane, rather than dislike them and try to chase them away by any means. In short I think those feelings would be far less depressing/destructive if we saw them as normal, natural. And in the end, no matter how scary a life, especially our later years may look if spent alone, I think that, regardless of creed, we are all going to be fine, even on our own. No psychological/emotional 'distaster' is going to happen, as many would have us believe. We just have to trust it. In short, love your void, love your solo self, ain't nothing wrong with it! I'll stop here before I put you royalshyness and everyone to sleep [if that's not done yet:) And I hope I didn't sound patronizing, cause that's wasn't my purpose.
fair and reasonable wonderings. the only person he's ever loved more than any1 else, is himself. and yes he is a very lonely man looking for bonds in all the wrong faces. no offence to your open display of love but a fan of an artist loves the illusion they create and thats not true love. true love destroys illusions. but thats just my foggy askew view talking non stop 24 7. lol no flo. u were not patronizing. ur response was a very interesting one. lonliness does not come to us forcefully but acceptingly. never stop ur flo flo. | |
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"royalshyness said:[quote]for me all that is required to feel lonely is a completely different view to any1 else."
And by extension, a feeling of lack of support? Yes, I can see that as one of the most alienating factors - much more than physical isolation [not having sombebody to chat with, do things with,..]. The Soviets used psychological isolation as a means of torture after all. There's nothing like communion of minds for true companionship... "lately though, i dont feel like i've been left standing alone in a world so cold anymore,..." Maybe after a while, one realizes things are not as bad as they were said to be, after all?.. "when that internal company gets pushed away for its own benefit, and i feel it moving away from me, it hurts, and its horribly scary. never been so afraid in my life when that happens." I'm not with you here: 'internal company' - do you mean you own inner voice/twin soul? And 'getting pushed away' - why would that happen? What causes it? [if I'm not being indiscreet]. "anyway, no i'm not bored, i dont get bored unless people bore me lol" A curious child/mind is never bored:) royalshyness said: for me all that is required to feel lonely is a completely different view to any1 else. i'm used to it by now, which is why its so easy for me to bail and go back to whatever i was doing, after a little pain and suffering, but i'm used to that too. it aint no biggie. in my own life, i'm the girl in town who does the dirty work that no one else wants to do cuz of how it'd make them look. thats pretty alienating, but i put truth before anything or any1 else, more than accustomed to being crucified for it, misunderstood in intentions and called names. its hard sometimes when u know ur doing a good thing and every1 else thinks its bad. loneliness? sure, isolation absolutely. lately though, i dont feel like i've been left standing alone in a world so cold anymore, and when that internal company gets pushed away for its own benefit, and i feel it moving away from me, it hurts, and its horribly scary. never been so afraid in my life when that happens.
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Flo6 said: "lonliness does not come to us forcefully but acceptingly."
"never stop ur flo flo" I've made note of that. It's flowing
Thanks for your thoughts and the butterfly. Box said: lol no flo. u were not patronizing. ur response was a very interesting one. lonliness does not come to us forcefully but acceptingly. never stop ur flo flo. u r always and eternaly welcome. | |
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Flo6 said: And by extension, a feeling of lack of support? no not really. i can support myself. its the isolation of a unique view that makes me feel alone, at those times I'm not with you here: 'internal company' - do you mean you own inner voice
warmth. my heart. my soul. i can do quite well without all those things and just be a computer, but it sure is nice when they hang. | |
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'Forever'/eternity, I feel, is an endangered species these days, so that's nice:)
Box said: Flo6 said: "lonliness does not come to us forcefully but acceptingly."
"never stop ur flo flo" I've made note of that. It's flowing
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Mmm yes, dissent isolates...
On a larger scale and in a different sphere - that's how the feeble Russian opposition here in Moscow feels like amid the pro-Putin populace: a lone voice in a Kremlin cacophony. But on a personal level too, real individuality can be lonely. "warmth. my heart. my soul." But why would these let you down? [Self]doubts? Or simply tough times/the effects of life's ups&downs? Sorry to be dissecting things, but it's intriguing... royalshyness said: Flo6 said: And by extension, a feeling of lack of support? no not really. i can support myself. its the isolation of a unique view that makes me feel alone, at those times I'm not with you here: 'internal company' - do you mean you own inner voice
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Flo6 said: Mmm yes, dissent isolates...
On a larger scale and in a different sphere - that's how the feeble Russian opposition here in Moscow feels like amid the pro-Putin populace: a lone voice in a Kremlin cacophony. But on a personal level too, real individuality can be lonely. "warmth. my heart. my soul." But why would these let you down? [Self]doubts? Or simply tough times/the effects of life's ups&downs? Sorry to be dissecting things, but it's intriguing... its the difference between being guided by emotion or common sense. my heart and soul have karmic memory, some of it negative residue, when it bubbles up, i do allow it to release, but i'm very quick to raise my awareness above it. the difference between swimming in the ocean, and flying in the sky. 
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royalshyness said: Flo6 said: Mmm yes, dissent isolates...
On a larger scale and in a different sphere - that's how the feeble Russian opposition here in Moscow feels like amid the pro-Putin populace: a lone voice in a Kremlin cacophony. But on a personal level too, real individuality can be lonely. "warmth. my heart. my soul." But why would these let you down? [Self]doubts? Or simply tough times/the effects of life's ups&downs? Sorry to be dissecting things, but it's intriguing... its the difference between being guided by emotion or common sense. my heart and soul have karmic memory, some of it negative residue, when it bubbles up, i do allow it to release, but i'm very quick to raise my awareness above it. the difference between swimming in the ocean, and flying in the sky.
Love, I dare not hide, I have wings and soar in the expanse, I have energy that bursts forth, moving my body to dance, Such love I feel throughout my being, this blissful sensation, Assurance comforts my peaceful mind exquisitely, such elation. | |
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royalshyness said: CJanssen said:  absolutely. my heart tends to see all kinds of things. the heart is also alot like the ocean, with amazing creatures in it ranging from the beautiful to the demonic. i saw such a creature last night, a poet in fact. On this such occasion, the night before we had met, curious that you mentioned it, after reading my posts, only to turn it against me after saying how you liked them, I thought you to be sincere. | |
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Atirolopiuuk said: I thought you to be sincere. (((the wonders of pure magnetism and the beauty of a flawless magnifying glass drawing forth the subconscious mind of the projector, speaking to itself.))) my 'business' here has nothing to do with who you meet and i imagine its nobody else's here either. would u like to talk about sincerity because it appears to me you might benefit from such a conversation. i've got all night, and once again, i'm waiting. | |
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royalshyness said: Atirolopiuuk said: I thought you to be sincere. (((the wonders of pure magnetism and the beauty of a flawless magnifying glass drawing forth the subconscious mind of the projector, speaking to itself.))) my 'business' here has nothing to do with who you meet and i imagine its nobody else's here either. would u like to talk about sincerity because it appears to me you might benefit from such a conversation. i've got all night, and once again, i'm waiting. You may speak all you wish, but I do not understand where your anger comes from, and why it is directed to me, when did I once say anything negative to you? And may I ask what it is you are trying to prove to me? | |
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royalshyness said: zoerh said: Does this mean you think Prince sees the fans as a distorted image of himself and this also indicates he is successful and deep down in his psyche he doesnt think he deserves to be succesful and therefore he is quite self-destructive???? xZ oh wundebar! finally we get back to the beginning. CRAPPY MIRROR LENS yes. i liken his reaction to his fans sometimes as the same as how i felt when i first went to the npgmc. i thought i was gunna die of toxic shock, and thats not an insult to anyone, but when u have ur own view of yourself and the world and how u think it should be, or even how its supposed to be, and the reflection you get back of yourself doesnt match the projection u sent out, for me it feels like needles in my belly. i can only speak for myself, but what i learned was that everyone is telling the Truth, and the test is to find the plane of consciousness u have to access to be able to see it. a poetic outlook helps. sometimes people are just talking about themselves too. shine a flawless mirror onto people and you'll quickly see by the reaction you get, whether they are spiritually ill or healthy. in regards to fear and self-loathing in las vegas, dont know about him, but i have times where if Love is coming at me at a hunred mph, i'll just shut down, mainly because i'm not accustomed to receiving it and sure, there's a part of me that doesnt feel like i deserve it, cuz i know my own mind and how it works, and when u know certain things about yourself and u judge them as being 'unpleasant' or whatever, there's a sense of mistrust about the Love you're receiving, like "sure ok, but u dont know what i know about me so f off". it takes huge amount of faith to let yourself be loved and see yourself as perfectly and in the purest way, as others see you, whether or not they're seeing u clearly or not, ultimately who knows. maybe they're seeing good qualities about you that ur unaware of. but on the flipside to all of that, alot of 'communication success' seems to be all about timing. once it becomes 'unmusical', like once there's no rhythm in the exchange, just about anything anyone says at that point will strain me. dunno, they're just my thoughts. There's nothng like waking up! The truth - ahh what is the truth? some would have you believe it is reality - But what is reality - what is my reality is not necessarily yours - vice versa. I do not like the idea of a flawless mirror being shone onto me but that is down to insecurity rather than spiritual ill-health. Or could the insecurity be caused by spiritual ill-health? Oh dear as if I didnt over analyse anyway!! Oh have so much to say - am loving the exchange of ideas but it is hard keeping up when at work! xZ "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift - that's why they call it the present." -RW Emerson
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zoerh said: royalshyness said: sometimes people are just talking about themselves too. shine a flawless mirror onto people and you'll quickly see by the reaction you get, whether they are spiritually ill or healthy. I do not like the idea of a flawless mirror being shone onto me but that is down to insecurity rather than spiritual ill-health. Or could the insecurity be caused by spiritual ill-health? yes. i didnt like it when i first had a flawless mirror shone on me, many many years ago. my ego rocked and reeled, i was shocked at what i saw. it takes alot of guts to look at 'spiritual flaws' and address them from a place of humility. in regards to reality, i wholeheartedly believe there is only one perfect one, and one we are all supposed to share, a unified field. its been proven to exist in our midst, right in front of us really, but our minds and preoccupations, fears etc..keep us from accessing it. but when u do live there, u become super sensitive to external contamination of the abundantly pure presence of seamless light within you and all around you. Heaven has Gates for a Reason.  | |
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royalshyness said: zoerh said: I do not like the idea of a flawless mirror being shone onto me but that is down to insecurity rather than spiritual ill-health. Or could the insecurity be caused by spiritual ill-health? yes. i didnt like it when i first had a flawless mirror shone on me, many many years ago. my ego rocked and reeled, i was shocked at what i saw. it takes alot of guts to look at 'spiritual flaws' and address them from a place of humility. in regards to reality, i wholeheartedly believe there is only one perfect one, and one we are all supposed to share, a unified field. its been proven to exist in our midst, right in front of us really, but our minds and preoccupations, fears etc..keep us from accessing it. but when u do live there, u become super sensitive to external contamination of the abundantly pure presence of seamless light within you and all around you. Heaven has Gates for a Reason. Flapping your arms can be flying... Have to go 4 now finished 4 wkend xZ "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift - that's why they call it the present." -RW Emerson
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zoerh said: Flapping your arms can be flying... absolutely lol. have a good one. | |
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royalshyness said: Protege said:  but i don't think he likes us. if i had fans like me, i'd hate them too.  
[Edited 3/30/08 14:48pm] well i guess you've always got the option of connecting with the sense of dignity and respect that immensely hard-working genius such as himself deserves instead of treating his career like an opportunity to play arund in the mud of cyber-dysfunction like so many of us tend to do. i notice elsewhere there's the uncontrollable urge to hate on his movies as well. i wonder if anyone considered that just because a film doesnt make sense to us or we think it's bad movie making, it doesnt necessarily mean there's something wrong with it. maybe there might be something wrong with our lack of a poetic view on his work, which is largely, poetic and very simplistic. i've never qute understood why people would follow an artist they dont understand. maybe we're looking for something? When you mentioned Prince's movies it made me think of Graffiti Bridge, a film i personally like, my interpretation was that it had a very spritual message. I remember people slating it when it was released. I think it the most underated film Prince has done, imo. Business Manager to Cat Glover. |
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haleno1 said: Graffiti Bridge, I think it the most underated film Prince has done, imo.
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royalshyness said: haleno1 said: Graffiti Bridge, I think it the most underated film Prince has done, imo.
mm well i guess the people who think they do the rating dont know what they're talking about or they just do it based on their opinion, which in many cases is that they didn't like the movie HE'S COMING AGAIN | |
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Protege said: royalshyness said: mm well i guess the people who think they do the rating dont know what they're talking about or they just do it based on their opinion, which in many cases is that they didn't like the movie ever heard of dangerous opinions? In George Bush's opinion, for example, babies should die from acid burns in Iraq. but i guess he's entitled to his own opinion. | |
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royalshyness said: Protege said: or they just do it based on their opinion, which in many cases is that they didn't like the movie ever heard of dangerous opinions? In George Bush's opinion, for example, babies should die from acid burns in Iraq. but i guess he's entitled to his own opinion. having an opinion about graffiti bridge/missing out on it hasn't hurt anyone so far.  it was watching it that really did me in  HE'S COMING AGAIN | |
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royalshyness said: haleno1 said: Graffiti Bridge, I think it the most underated film Prince has done, imo.
mm well i guess the people who think they do the rating dont know what they're talking about Sometimes that is very true. Business Manager to Cat Glover. |
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Protege said: royalshyness said: ever heard of dangerous opinions? In George Bush's opinion, for example, babies should die from acid burns in Iraq. but i guess he's entitled to his own opinion. having an opinion about graffiti bridge/missing out on it hasn't hurt anyone so far. it was watching it that really did me in u were one of the lucky ones then. in my opinion. | |
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Box said: Protege said: having an opinion about graffiti bridge/missing out on it hasn't hurt anyone so far. it was watching it that really did me in u were one of the lucky ones then. in my opinion. how so? HE'S COMING AGAIN | |
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Protege said: Box said: u were one of the lucky ones then. in my opinion. how so? i meant if u enjoyed the film or not. if not its quite alright. its the ones with open eyes who are proof of the films beauty. | |
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Box said: Protege said: how so? i meant if u enjoyed the film or not. if not its quite alright. its the ones with open eyes who are proof of the films beauty. oh HE'S COMING AGAIN | |
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