sarkozyiszeman said:

That is so far from the truth. First of all Liberation, NouveObs, Charlie Hebdo and le canard, all of them accept free trade and open market, the only difference is that they promote some regulations that protect the workers, that is exactly what said your best pal yesterday in Houses of Parliament. As for l'Humanite, they hardly have any readers nowadays, they re lucky if they get 20,000 readers daily, which is absolutely nothing considering their influence in the 50's, 60's.
Finally, France is one of the best economy in the world and is part of the EU, so don't be over dramatic, by reading you it is as if France is on the verge of becoming a satellite state of North Korea,....!!!!

kanamit said:

hahaha This is the wrong thread fopr such a discussion. But I insit on that point : all these journalists from all the papers and magazines I mentionned above reject massively liberalism and open market. You disagree with me ? Who cares ? I like Sarkozy. You don't. Who gives a fuck honestly ? This is a Prince's fans site.

Giovanni777 said:

Dude we may have butted heads once before... But that was a whole other vibe....
Just a couple of questions for you (and this is in no way an attack, but an honest question or 2)
"This thread is another example of folks not accepting (or needing 2 doubt) his musicality and ability, because it is simply 2 much 2 comprehend/accept, and/or because they don't know he played nearly everything on nearly every release."
I have no problem with that - i've been around way long enough to know he does far more than the credits generally say - i mean, back in the early '80's i actually thought the Time was a true Time album... - by the time of the Family - i understood what was happening...
"Madhouse was mostly Prince."
especially the 1st album, Prince and Leeds (an amazing album that blows my mind to this day)
"Xpectation was mostly Prince."
cool - could you expand on this comment please - i only know what the credits tell me (but i generally assumed more...)
"N.E.W.S. was mostly Prince, despite the credits."
(again, i assumed it was a more Madhouse type approach but had nothing to back it up - could you provide a bit more info?)
Rainbow Children was nearly all Prince, with John Blackwell and Najee.
(again as a long term fan i assumed more but have nothing to base it on - waiting for a Vault-type update... - any info would be appreciated...)
The more mainstream releases, with band members credited, was mostly ALL Prince.
(again, a little factual info would go a long way if you could provide it...)
That's enough 4 now.
(it would be if you could help clear a few things up)

sarkozyiszeman said:

Well I can't really argue with your enthusiasm for the above. He is a very accomplished guitarist. One of the best. One of many hundreds though. Pointless thing to say who the best is really as it's all down to personal preference. I was present for a couple of aftershows last year and had one of the best nights of my life. Easily the best musical night I've ever had.

I don't think I personally mentioned his different musical approaches. I agree with you that his output has varied. Whether it's organic or contrived I have no idea. I'd like to think primarily the former but I'm realistic enough to realise it's a bit of both.

I also think that people should realise that nobody here is having a go at Prince. Why would we be members of this site if we had no appreciation of his music? But let's be sensible and realise that not all of his work is going to appeal to everybody or be everybody's album of the year.

And one last thing about him being a "100 times more accomplished guitar player now". What exactly do you mean by that? I started playing at fifteen. I'm a far better player now at 36 than I was all those years ago. More accomplished? No, not me

Unfortunately I'm also far better at decorating now than I was then. But that's not through choice.

And just to get a rise, I definately don't regard PE as one of my favourite albums of last year. I'd even go as far as saying that the Kaiser Chiefs got more play than that one. A lot more play in fact You can bite now.

iloveannie said:

I agree on nearly everything you mention in your post.

I hate PE as well. This CD does not make sense to me. No structure whatsoever. Just one tune after the other. And Mr Goodnight is really sad.

Regarding Prince as a guitar player, you might not have understood me. Sorry for my english. I meant that he is a far better guitar player now than he used to be.

Regarding his CD career : Prince goes through phases ; good ones and bad ones.

Who could think he would come up with TRC NEWS or ONA after the commercial releases between 98 and 2000.
But there you go, then comes Musicology and PE.
[Edited 3/28/08 7:41am]

sarkozyiszeman said:

great statement!

Giovanni777 said:

Michael B did the intro of the Shhh studio version. It's kinda obvious by the way it was played, besides Michael B. said it was him.
[Edited 3/28/08 8:58am]

newpowerboy said:

Totally wron. Michael Bland personnaly told me in 1995 it was Prince who had played it intentionnally in Michael Bland's style. Michael B could not believe it when he heard it the first time. Then they shared the secret for a while.

sarkozyiszeman said:

http://prince.org/msg/5/177296?&pg=3

Here you can read the following: "as far as "shhh" goes, he pretty much came up with the spaces for the drumming, and i chose what to do with the spaces, if that makes sense..

michael b."

http://prince.org/msg/5/177296?&pg=5

And here, in the first post someone ask him the following: "
Oh so it was YOU on the drums making me feel all tingly inside when I hear that intro!" And at the middle of the page Michael B. answers that saying: "yup.. me ... intro.. tingly.. yup..

michael b."

You can read it, that was what he said. And besides that, it's impossible Prince did the Shhh drum intro because that is not the way Prince play drums, that is the way Michael B play drums. So I guess he was messing with you when he told you Prince did the drums.
[Edited 3/28/08 11:58am]

newpowerboy said:

This is wrong. That's bthe official version. It's Prince who played the intro. Don't you know his talent to play a la anybody. Do you recognize his bass work on TRC ? No, on most tunes, you would say it is someone else. He wanted to impress Michael B. That's what Michael B told me. And he was not joking.

Do you know that it works the other way around as well ? There are a few parts on some tunes where you think Prince is playing and he is not. Like when Lenny takes a solo.

Prince loves that kind of little secrets and ask his musicians or friends to keep their mouth shut about it. As simple as that.

One morning, Michael B turned up in the studio and Prince had recorded the whole intro during the night and had a big smile on his face. Michael could not believe Prince had managed to play in his own style.
[Edited 3/28/08 14:06pm]